I'm close to migrating from a SBS2000 domain to a full Windows 2003. I have
had Exchange 2003 and SQL 2000 running on different boxes for awhile now. I
use a Cisco PIX as my firewall. I don't want to go to SBS2003.

After moving some final data/components off of the SBS2000 machine/domain
controller - and a
few other tasks - I need to retire the SBS2000 machine. My plan is the
following and I have a few questions that I'd appreciate any help with:

1) Remove an existing Windows 2000 DC from the network - as a "DC in the
closet" fallback option
2) Install a Windows 2003 machine and promote it to a DC in the SBS 2000
domain. Also setup DNS on this machine and make it a GC.

3) Shutdown the SBS2000 machine and use ntdsutil to seize all FSMO roles to
the Windows 2003 DC.
Q: Would this be the recommended method for getting rid of the SBS2000
machine?
Q: Should I dcpromo it then shut it down (if it even can be dcpromo'd) or
just shut it down and remove it from the network?

4) Use ntdsutil to clean up metadata that refers to the former SBS2000
machine. Remove references to the old server from DNS.
Q: What would be the best method for doing the DNS cleanup?

* After the above steps I hope to have the same domain but with the SBS2000
box removed and the domain now running as a full Windows 2003 domain.
Q: Will the above steps effectively get me to a full Windows 2003 domain?

Thanks

Re: upgrade question by Dave

Dave
Thu Jan 12 10:02:24 CST 2006

I've been hoping you'd get an answer from someone who had actually done
this. I only see two possible and closely related issues. I don't think
the SBS box will let you dcpromo it down to a member server, and I think you
may have issues with getting an absent DC out of the AD when you're
finished.

If the SBS will let you convert it to a member server first, that'll
simplify things. Otherwise, you'll just have to figure out the procedure
for getting a DC out of the AD. This is obviously possible, it's just not
something I'm familiar with - doesn't come up much in the SBS world. Don't
forget that if it does let you demote it to a member server, it's going to
start behaving badly because of that, so you'll probably want to make sure
you have all your data, app settings, etc. noted beforehand.

If you get a chance, please post back and let us know how it went, so we'll
know for next time the question arises.


"pdx" <pdx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:432644D8-C472-4A68-BD81-5D8DFDD4BC41@microsoft.com...
> I'm close to migrating from a SBS2000 domain to a full Windows 2003. I
> have
> had Exchange 2003 and SQL 2000 running on different boxes for awhile now.
> I
> use a Cisco PIX as my firewall. I don't want to go to SBS2003.
>
> After moving some final data/components off of the SBS2000 machine/domain
> controller - and a
> few other tasks - I need to retire the SBS2000 machine. My plan is the
> following and I have a few questions that I'd appreciate any help with:
>
> 1) Remove an existing Windows 2000 DC from the network - as a "DC in the
> closet" fallback option
> 2) Install a Windows 2003 machine and promote it to a DC in the SBS 2000
> domain. Also setup DNS on this machine and make it a GC.
>
> 3) Shutdown the SBS2000 machine and use ntdsutil to seize all FSMO roles
> to
> the Windows 2003 DC.
> Q: Would this be the recommended method for getting rid of the SBS2000
> machine?
> Q: Should I dcpromo it then shut it down (if it even can be dcpromo'd) or
> just shut it down and remove it from the network?
>
> 4) Use ntdsutil to clean up metadata that refers to the former SBS2000
> machine. Remove references to the old server from DNS.
> Q: What would be the best method for doing the DNS cleanup?
>
> * After the above steps I hope to have the same domain but with the
> SBS2000
> box removed and the domain now running as a full Windows 2003 domain.
> Q: Will the above steps effectively get me to a full Windows 2003 domain?
>
> Thanks
>



Re: upgrade question by pdx

pdx
Thu Jan 12 15:55:03 CST 2006

Thanks for replying. Apparently there isn't a lot of knowledge available
about this issue.
Like you stated, from what I've been able to find out, dcpromoing down
doesn't seem to be a possibility, so it looks like I'll just shut the machine
down when the time comes and use ntdsutil to seize the fsmo roles.

KB 216498 explains the process for cleaning the old DC name out of the AD
and that seems straightforward (at least on paper).

Do you know of any possible issues in adding a W2003 DC to an SBS 2000
domain? I know I'll have to run domainprep and forestprep beforehand on the
SBS 2000 box since it holds the fsmo roles.

"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" wrote:

> I've been hoping you'd get an answer from someone who had actually done
> this. I only see two possible and closely related issues. I don't think
> the SBS box will let you dcpromo it down to a member server, and I think you
> may have issues with getting an absent DC out of the AD when you're
> finished.
>
> If the SBS will let you convert it to a member server first, that'll
> simplify things. Otherwise, you'll just have to figure out the procedure
> for getting a DC out of the AD. This is obviously possible, it's just not
> something I'm familiar with - doesn't come up much in the SBS world. Don't
> forget that if it does let you demote it to a member server, it's going to
> start behaving badly because of that, so you'll probably want to make sure
> you have all your data, app settings, etc. noted beforehand.
>
> If you get a chance, please post back and let us know how it went, so we'll
> know for next time the question arises.
>
>
> "pdx" <pdx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:432644D8-C472-4A68-BD81-5D8DFDD4BC41@microsoft.com...
> > I'm close to migrating from a SBS2000 domain to a full Windows 2003. I
> > have
> > had Exchange 2003 and SQL 2000 running on different boxes for awhile now.
> > I
> > use a Cisco PIX as my firewall. I don't want to go to SBS2003.
> >
> > After moving some final data/components off of the SBS2000 machine/domain
> > controller - and a
> > few other tasks - I need to retire the SBS2000 machine. My plan is the
> > following and I have a few questions that I'd appreciate any help with:
> >
> > 1) Remove an existing Windows 2000 DC from the network - as a "DC in the
> > closet" fallback option
> > 2) Install a Windows 2003 machine and promote it to a DC in the SBS 2000
> > domain. Also setup DNS on this machine and make it a GC.
> >
> > 3) Shutdown the SBS2000 machine and use ntdsutil to seize all FSMO roles
> > to
> > the Windows 2003 DC.
> > Q: Would this be the recommended method for getting rid of the SBS2000
> > machine?
> > Q: Should I dcpromo it then shut it down (if it even can be dcpromo'd) or
> > just shut it down and remove it from the network?
> >
> > 4) Use ntdsutil to clean up metadata that refers to the former SBS2000
> > machine. Remove references to the old server from DNS.
> > Q: What would be the best method for doing the DNS cleanup?
> >
> > * After the above steps I hope to have the same domain but with the
> > SBS2000
> > box removed and the domain now running as a full Windows 2003 domain.
> > Q: Will the above steps effectively get me to a full Windows 2003 domain?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>

Re: upgrade question by Dave

Dave
Thu Jan 12 16:25:44 CST 2006

I think this article gives you all the steps (despite the name, it applies
equally to adding a ws03 DC to a 2K domain).

How to upgrade Windows 2000 domain controllers to Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=325379


"pdx" <pdx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7EA3342A-85AB-45FB-8047-DCE3196AB55B@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for replying. Apparently there isn't a lot of knowledge available
> about this issue.
> Like you stated, from what I've been able to find out, dcpromoing down
> doesn't seem to be a possibility, so it looks like I'll just shut the
> machine
> down when the time comes and use ntdsutil to seize the fsmo roles.
>
> KB 216498 explains the process for cleaning the old DC name out of the AD
> and that seems straightforward (at least on paper).
>
> Do you know of any possible issues in adding a W2003 DC to an SBS 2000
> domain? I know I'll have to run domainprep and forestprep beforehand on
> the
> SBS 2000 box since it holds the fsmo roles.
>
> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> I've been hoping you'd get an answer from someone who had actually done
>> this. I only see two possible and closely related issues. I don't think
>> the SBS box will let you dcpromo it down to a member server, and I think
>> you
>> may have issues with getting an absent DC out of the AD when you're
>> finished.
>>
>> If the SBS will let you convert it to a member server first, that'll
>> simplify things. Otherwise, you'll just have to figure out the procedure
>> for getting a DC out of the AD. This is obviously possible, it's just
>> not
>> something I'm familiar with - doesn't come up much in the SBS world.
>> Don't
>> forget that if it does let you demote it to a member server, it's going
>> to
>> start behaving badly because of that, so you'll probably want to make
>> sure
>> you have all your data, app settings, etc. noted beforehand.
>>
>> If you get a chance, please post back and let us know how it went, so
>> we'll
>> know for next time the question arises.
>>
>>
>> "pdx" <pdx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:432644D8-C472-4A68-BD81-5D8DFDD4BC41@microsoft.com...
>> > I'm close to migrating from a SBS2000 domain to a full Windows 2003. I
>> > have
>> > had Exchange 2003 and SQL 2000 running on different boxes for awhile
>> > now.
>> > I
>> > use a Cisco PIX as my firewall. I don't want to go to SBS2003.
>> >
>> > After moving some final data/components off of the SBS2000
>> > machine/domain
>> > controller - and a
>> > few other tasks - I need to retire the SBS2000 machine. My plan is the
>> > following and I have a few questions that I'd appreciate any help with:
>> >
>> > 1) Remove an existing Windows 2000 DC from the network - as a "DC in
>> > the
>> > closet" fallback option
>> > 2) Install a Windows 2003 machine and promote it to a DC in the SBS
>> > 2000
>> > domain. Also setup DNS on this machine and make it a GC.
>> >
>> > 3) Shutdown the SBS2000 machine and use ntdsutil to seize all FSMO
>> > roles
>> > to
>> > the Windows 2003 DC.
>> > Q: Would this be the recommended method for getting rid of the SBS2000
>> > machine?
>> > Q: Should I dcpromo it then shut it down (if it even can be dcpromo'd)
>> > or
>> > just shut it down and remove it from the network?
>> >
>> > 4) Use ntdsutil to clean up metadata that refers to the former SBS2000
>> > machine. Remove references to the old server from DNS.
>> > Q: What would be the best method for doing the DNS cleanup?
>> >
>> > * After the above steps I hope to have the same domain but with the
>> > SBS2000
>> > box removed and the domain now running as a full Windows 2003 domain.
>> > Q: Will the above steps effectively get me to a full Windows 2003
>> > domain?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>
>>
>>



Re: upgrade question by Stingray

Stingray
Mon Mar 05 18:57:53 CST 2007

I hope this post isn't too late to help you pdx. I just ran across this 2
part article that talks directly to what you are doing.

http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Migrating-Small-Business-Server-2003-Exchange-Standard-Part1.html

Hope this helps and good luck.



"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" wrote:

> I think this article gives you all the steps (despite the name, it applies
> equally to adding a ws03 DC to a 2K domain).
>
> How to upgrade Windows 2000 domain controllers to Windows Server 2003
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=325379
>
>
> "pdx" <pdx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7EA3342A-85AB-45FB-8047-DCE3196AB55B@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for replying. Apparently there isn't a lot of knowledge available
> > about this issue.
> > Like you stated, from what I've been able to find out, dcpromoing down
> > doesn't seem to be a possibility, so it looks like I'll just shut the
> > machine
> > down when the time comes and use ntdsutil to seize the fsmo roles.
> >
> > KB 216498 explains the process for cleaning the old DC name out of the AD
> > and that seems straightforward (at least on paper).
> >
> > Do you know of any possible issues in adding a W2003 DC to an SBS 2000
> > domain? I know I'll have to run domainprep and forestprep beforehand on
> > the
> > SBS 2000 box since it holds the fsmo roles.
> >
> > "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> I've been hoping you'd get an answer from someone who had actually done
> >> this. I only see two possible and closely related issues. I don't think
> >> the SBS box will let you dcpromo it down to a member server, and I think
> >> you
> >> may have issues with getting an absent DC out of the AD when you're
> >> finished.
> >>
> >> If the SBS will let you convert it to a member server first, that'll
> >> simplify things. Otherwise, you'll just have to figure out the procedure
> >> for getting a DC out of the AD. This is obviously possible, it's just
> >> not
> >> something I'm familiar with - doesn't come up much in the SBS world.
> >> Don't
> >> forget that if it does let you demote it to a member server, it's going
> >> to
> >> start behaving badly because of that, so you'll probably want to make
> >> sure
> >> you have all your data, app settings, etc. noted beforehand.
> >>
> >> If you get a chance, please post back and let us know how it went, so
> >> we'll
> >> know for next time the question arises.
> >>
> >>
> >> "pdx" <pdx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:432644D8-C472-4A68-BD81-5D8DFDD4BC41@microsoft.com...
> >> > I'm close to migrating from a SBS2000 domain to a full Windows 2003. I
> >> > have
> >> > had Exchange 2003 and SQL 2000 running on different boxes for awhile
> >> > now.
> >> > I
> >> > use a Cisco PIX as my firewall. I don't want to go to SBS2003.
> >> >
> >> > After moving some final data/components off of the SBS2000
> >> > machine/domain
> >> > controller - and a
> >> > few other tasks - I need to retire the SBS2000 machine. My plan is the
> >> > following and I have a few questions that I'd appreciate any help with:
> >> >
> >> > 1) Remove an existing Windows 2000 DC from the network - as a "DC in
> >> > the
> >> > closet" fallback option
> >> > 2) Install a Windows 2003 machine and promote it to a DC in the SBS
> >> > 2000
> >> > domain. Also setup DNS on this machine and make it a GC.
> >> >
> >> > 3) Shutdown the SBS2000 machine and use ntdsutil to seize all FSMO
> >> > roles
> >> > to
> >> > the Windows 2003 DC.
> >> > Q: Would this be the recommended method for getting rid of the SBS2000
> >> > machine?
> >> > Q: Should I dcpromo it then shut it down (if it even can be dcpromo'd)
> >> > or
> >> > just shut it down and remove it from the network?
> >> >
> >> > 4) Use ntdsutil to clean up metadata that refers to the former SBS2000
> >> > machine. Remove references to the old server from DNS.
> >> > Q: What would be the best method for doing the DNS cleanup?
> >> >
> >> > * After the above steps I hope to have the same domain but with the
> >> > SBS2000
> >> > box removed and the domain now running as a full Windows 2003 domain.
> >> > Q: Will the above steps effectively get me to a full Windows 2003
> >> > domain?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>