OT: 98/ME support is extended [no this is not a joke]

CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165

I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.

On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
to support Win98.

Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
until Longhorn comes out.

I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.


Susan

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Mutlley
Mon Jan 12 21:51:38 CST 2004

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
<sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:

>CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
>Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
>
>I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
>
>On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
>mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
>to support Win98.
>
>Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
>security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
>until Longhorn comes out.
>
>I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
>
>
>Susan

I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..

I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
support on that??

clevere
Mon Jan 12 21:57:20 CST 2004

Bloatware? I dunno about that. I personally like XP.

"Mutlley" <mutley200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> >Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
>
>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
> >
> >I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
> >
> >On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> >mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
> >to support Win98.
> >
> >Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> >security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> >until Longhorn comes out.
> >
> >I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
> >
> >
> >Susan
>
> I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
> Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..
>
> I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
> support on that??

Susan
Mon Jan 12 22:10:34 CST 2004

I especially like the fact that I don't have a forced reboot everyday.

clevere wrote:
> Bloatware? I dunno about that. I personally like XP.
>
> "Mutlley" <mutley200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:inq600p1brdj91f1hul2m73o5se9anuhc0@4ax.com...
>
>>"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
>><sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
>>>Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
>>
>>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
>>
>>>I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
>>>
>>>On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
>>>mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
>>>to support Win98.
>>>
>>>Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
>>>security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
>>>until Longhorn comes out.
>>>
>>>I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
>>>
>>>
>>>Susan
>>
>>I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
>>Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..
>>
>>I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
>>support on that??
>
>
>

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Darth
Mon Jan 12 22:10:08 CST 2004

WINDOWS 1???? Gadzooks!!
I don't think you'll be able to get support for that coz the support techies
aren't even that old!
Haa haa haa haa!!!

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Says: Remember when Windows was shipped on Floppy disk?



"Mutlley" <mutley200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:inq600p1brdj91f1hul2m73o5se9anuhc0@4ax.com...
> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> >Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
>
>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
> >
> >I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
> >
> >On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> >mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
> >to support Win98.
> >
> >Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> >security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> >until Longhorn comes out.
> >
> >I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
> >
> >
> >Susan
>
> I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
> Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..
>
> I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
> support on that??

SuperGumby
Mon Jan 12 22:18:31 CST 2004

I prefer 2000. Friends hate me, I sit down at their XP machine and the first
thing I do is turn off all the eye candy. Of course, a few days later they
comment 'my PC's heaps faster than before you looked at it'. Business
clients I have to ask nicely.

"clevere" <clevere1@nospamola.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OmnAZlY2DHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Bloatware? I dunno about that. I personally like XP.
>
> "Mutlley" <mutley200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:inq600p1brdj91f1hul2m73o5se9anuhc0@4ax.com...
> > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> > <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> > >Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
> >
>
>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
> > >
> > >I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
> > >
> > >On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> > >mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they
continue
> > >to support Win98.
> > >
> > >Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> > >security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> > >until Longhorn comes out.
> > >
> > >I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
> > >
> > >
> > >Susan
> >
> > I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
> > Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..
> >
> > I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
> > support on that??
>
>

Aaron
Mon Jan 12 22:22:42 CST 2004


> I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
> Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..

Have to disagree with you here. XP Pro runs great and has many features that
make it well worth purchasing! !

I will be glad when I have gotten rid of the last 98 mancine in my office!
It's a heck of a lot easier to manage XP Pro machines remotely then to have
to go to every workstation with 98 still onboard!

Now on the other hand, for my kids at home on a couple of older machines -
no problem. Does everything they need.

Aaron






>
> I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
> support on that??

James
Tue Jan 13 00:55:56 CST 2004

SuperGumby wrote:
> I prefer 2000. Friends hate me, I sit down at their XP machine and
> the first thing I do is turn off all the eye candy. Of course, a few
> days later they comment 'my PC's heaps faster than before you looked
> at it'. Business clients I have to ask nicely.


Without wishing to sound like an AOLer, "me too" :-)

James

SuperGumby
Tue Jan 13 02:40:28 CST 2004

I don't remember Windows 1.

A company I worked for had (I think) Windows 2 betas, but it may have been
Windows /286.

Windows /286 (which I may be able to find if I look hard)
Windows /386 (which I know is here somewhere)

I never had Windows 3, only Windows for Workgroups (3.11) and I can reach
the installations floppies from where I am now sitting, but there's a lot of
dust on the box.

I still carry CD's with Win95 and Win95b on them in my standard kit, but I
definitely haven't used them this year and think the 95b had an error on it
(scratch/fade) the one time I attempted to use it last year. NOTE: If the CD
from the OS you are using has faded to the point where it errors it's
probably time to upgrade. My mate Jan had to use 95 the other day, I'm still
giggling.

HECK, I only upgraded mum to '98se last year. Suits her purposes fine. Mum's
not real happy about all the new fangled thingamebobs in Office 97 though.

As we upgrade offices to SBS2K3 we are going to PUSH REAL HARD for those NT4
boxes to be retired, but it's not going to work everywhere. I installed
NT4ws onto 4 new boxes for a client not many weeks ago. He has a Standard
Operating Environment and will shortly upgrade that SOE to _possibly_ remove
the NT Servers and allow us to put his 2K Advanced Server into native mode
and XP across the board as clients. We don't actually have many NT4's out
there but where they are there is a good reason, mostly.

"Darth 2000" <hasan@letter_u_letter_h.com.au> wrote in message
news:OtHlTtY2DHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> WINDOWS 1???? Gadzooks!!
> I don't think you'll be able to get support for that coz the support
techies
> aren't even that old!
> Haa haa haa haa!!!
>
> --
> ---------------
> Darth 2000
> Says: Remember when Windows was shipped on Floppy disk?
>
>
>
> "Mutlley" <mutley200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:inq600p1brdj91f1hul2m73o5se9anuhc0@4ax.com...
> > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> > <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> > >Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
> >
>
>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
> > >
> > >I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
> > >
> > >On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> > >mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they
continue
> > >to support Win98.
> > >
> > >Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> > >security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> > >until Longhorn comes out.
> > >
> > >I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
> > >
> > >
> > >Susan
> >
> > I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
> > Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..
> >
> > I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
> > support on that??
>
>

James
Tue Jan 13 04:17:54 CST 2004

SuperGumby wrote:
[snip]> As we upgrade offices to SBS2K3 we are going to PUSH REAL HARD for
> those NT4 boxes to be retired, but it's not going to work everywhere.
> I installed NT4ws onto 4 new boxes for a client not many weeks ago.
> He has a Standard Operating Environment and will shortly upgrade that
> SOE to _possibly_ remove the NT Servers and allow us to put his 2K
> Advanced Server into native mode and XP across the board as clients.
> We don't actually have many NT4's out there but where they are there
> is a good reason, mostly.


Although NT4 boxes may be hard to maintain (can't use GPOs and so on), I'd
be perfectly happy if people ran XP/W2k/NT4-only networks. It's the aging
and unreliable Win9x boxes that drive me up the wall... :-)

I always liked NT4. After about SP3 it was as solid as a rock, and if you
install it on a modern box it usually feels *extremely* quick compared to
W2k/XP/WS2003 on the same machine...

James

Darth
Tue Jan 13 06:12:18 CST 2004

> I always liked NT4. After about SP3 it was as solid as a rock, and if you
> install it on a modern box it usually feels *extremely* quick compared to
> W2k/XP/WS2003 on the same machine...
>
> James

We'll be saying the same thing about W2K/XP/WS2003 in about 5 years too


--
---------------
Darth 2000
Says: W98 on a 3GHz is lightning fast!!

John
Tue Jan 13 08:29:37 CST 2004

I agree totally. It would at least push some of my customer's who are on the
fence with 98 over the edge.
Would you believe I had someone call me out of the blue asking if we had any
copies of W98se for sale? You have got to be kidding. :-)

John

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
wrote in message news:OwqMqdX2DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
> http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
>
> I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
>
> On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
> to support Win98.
>
> Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> until Longhorn comes out.
>
> I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
>
>
> Susan
>
> --
> http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
>

IBC
Tue Jan 13 09:21:55 CST 2004


> > Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> > security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> > until Longhorn comes out.

Well, 'Me' is the biggest disaster to ever come from Microsoft in my
opinion. It even surpases "Bob" in depth of bad software. That said, the one
upside to 98 and Me is that nobody even bothers to write viruses or worms to
attach these machines anymore. All the latest badies have specifically
targeted 2000 and XP machines.

Just as long as they aren't in my Domain.....=P

Gary
Tue Jan 13 10:09:52 CST 2004

The only people who like W98 are users. But hey, who cares about them?

GaryK

"IBC" <it@ibcengineering.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> > > security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> > > until Longhorn comes out.
>
> Well, 'Me' is the biggest disaster to ever come from Microsoft in my
> opinion. It even surpases "Bob" in depth of bad software. That said, the
one
> upside to 98 and Me is that nobody even bothers to write viruses or worms
to
> attach these machines anymore. All the latest badies have specifically
> targeted 2000 and XP machines.
>
> Just as long as they aren't in my Domain.....=P
>
>

Dave
Tue Jan 13 10:17:20 CST 2004

You may not be able to get any support on version 1, but I'll bet you could
sell it for a good price on e-bay!


"Mutlley" <mutley200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> >Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
>
>http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
> >
> >I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
> >
> >On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> >mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
> >to support Win98.
> >
> >Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> >security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> >until Longhorn comes out.
> >
> >I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
> >
> >
> >Susan
>
> I think that they didn't realize the number of folks who still use
> Win98..who don't want to move to XPs bloat ware..
>
> I still have a copy of Windows 1 in my draw. I wonder if I can get
> support on that??

James
Tue Jan 13 10:44:56 CST 2004

Gary Karasik wrote:
> The only people who like W98 are users. But hey, who cares about them?


Spoken like a true BOFH :-)

James

Mutlley
Tue Jan 13 15:04:55 CST 2004

"Darth 2000" <hasan@letter_u_letter_h.com.au> wrote:

>WINDOWS 1???? Gadzooks!!
>I don't think you'll be able to get support for that coz the support techies
>aren't even that old!
>Haa haa haa haa!!!

A bit of history about why I still have .t.

Back in 1987 the telco that I worked for set up a remote maint center
and the hub of this was a Wang PC. A supper fast (at the time ) 286.
THis came with Windows 1 and Office 1. After it was retired it was
put in a back room and was bought out when the engineering grads came
out of university with Windows 98 this and Windows NT that . The
oldest that they had seen was screen shots of Windows 3.1. We were
able to show them that there was life before Windows 3.1 and it still
works..

Durth
Tue Jan 13 15:47:54 CST 2004

I know where I can go and buy several copies right off the shelf.

Aaron


"John Bouley" <spamjabouley@nationalsoftwaresystems.com> wrote in message
news:e3V05Ee2DHA.2948@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I agree totally. It would at least push some of my customer's who are on
the
> fence with 98 over the edge.
> Would you believe I had someone call me out of the blue asking if we had
any
> copies of W98se for sale? You have got to be kidding. :-)
>
> John
>
> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> wrote in message news:OwqMqdX2DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > CRN : Daily Archives : Microsoft Extends Paid Support On Windows 98
> > Until June 2006 : 2:14 PM EST Mon., Jan. 12, 2004:
> >
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=47165
> >
> > I'm sorry but I don't think this is a good decision at all.
> >
> > On the one hand they do the right thing and take out TS in application
> > mode on our domain controllers, and then on the other hand they continue
> > to support Win98.
> >
> > Makes it a little hard for me to stand up here and say "Microsoft gets
> > security" when they will continue to support a platform that has none
> > until Longhorn comes out.
> >
> > I for one am disappointed that they caved in to customer response.
> >
> >
> > Susan
> >
> > --
> > http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> >
>
>

Mutlley
Tue Jan 13 16:56:21 CST 2004

"Dave Nickason" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote:

>You may not be able to get any support on version 1, but I'll bet you could
>sell it for a good price on e-bay!
>

Not really. This a copy of the original disks that died long ago.

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