Hello All:

I've got a bear of an issue that I've been wrestling with the past few
weeks...

Short Version:
-SBS2000 server, fully patched and packed on a Dell Poweredge 4400
-dual nic configuration
-DSL router controlled by ISP
-ISA is installed and running
-necessary ports (required by citrix) are open
-client using XP Pro SP2
-NEW: client using Citrix Client ( v7.00.17534) to connect to outside server
& applications
-80% of the time the client connects to the remote server via Citrix, the
local server BSOD's with the following message on screen:
"DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
-Event log shows only one single related message:
>>
Event Type:Information
Event Source:Save Dump
Event Category:None
Event ID:1001
Date:4/26/2005
Time:2:36:55 PM
User:N/A
Computer:LOCAL SERVER
Description:
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was:
0x000000d1 (0x00000013, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x00000013).
Microsoft Windows 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in:
C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP.
>>
-no other symptoms are present.
-local system not affected - no logged errors or other issues, with the
exception of the issues common to any system that is connected to a downed
server
-the crash ALWAYS occurs at some very random point AFTER logon to remote
server is successful
-server comes back-up without any unusual problems.

Last night at the end of the day I installed the "uniprint" print drivers on
the local workstation and spent two hours trying to make the server crash.
The server didn't crash once in twelve clean trys!!

When the user came in to give it a try this morning - crashed, almost
immediately.

My testing had been pretty thorough - logged on as user, all of the usual
app's running - no problems. The one app that wasn't involved was the
accounting software "Platinum Accounting". It uses it's own little database
on the server that does take quite a few resources. But we previously tested
with and without that software running and the server would crash under both
conditions.

Extensive research has shown that network card drivers (particularly DLINK
which I'm not using) and printer drivers have been known to down servers
connecting via Citrix. But it is a little odd because Citrix is NOT running
on the server.

My questions:
1) is there a way to pinpoint the offending driver and/or get more detailed
"english" error messages?
2) what would make the difference between my test and the users? (This one
has me stumped, I can only think that perhaps it is NIC related and the
traffic from other users brings on the conflict - I was working late so
there weren't any other users taxing the network)
3) what are the safe steps for changing both NIC's ? (this is probably
posted elsewhere, I'll research this some more on my own).
4) what else am I overlooking?
5) has anyone else seen or heard of something similar?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

christopher*

Re: SBS2000 server BSOD when local machine uses Citrix Client by Cris

Cris
Tue May 10 17:44:11 CDT 2005

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When you logged on to the workstation, are you logged on as that user???
Is the "normal" user a member of the Local Administrator's Group
If not give that a try

--=20
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Hello All:

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weeks...

Short Version:
-SBS2000 server, fully patched and packed on a Dell Poweredge 4400
-dual nic configuration
-DSL router controlled by ISP
-ISA is installed and running
-necessary ports (required by citrix) are open
-client using XP Pro SP2
-NEW: client using Citrix Client ( v7.00.17534) to connect to outside =
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-Event log shows only one single related message:
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Event Category:None
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Time:2:36:55 PM
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-the crash ALWAYS occurs at some very random point AFTER logon to =
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-server comes back-up without any unusual problems.

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3) what are the safe steps for changing both NIC's ? (this is =
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posted elsewhere, I'll research this some more on my own).
4) what else am I overlooking?
5) has anyone else seen or heard of something similar?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

christopher*




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Re: SBS2000 server BSOD when local machine uses Citrix Client by ThereIsNoTry

ThereIsNoTry
Wed May 11 12:07:00 CDT 2005

Hello Cris:

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I logged in as that user. The user IS a member of the Local Admins
group.

I'm thinking that network traffic has to be the main reason for the
discrepancy. The backup hadn't started yet so there were no other unusual
processes on the server but there was no additional user traffic. As soon
as I get the chance I'm going to set another system up with a different user
and see if I can replicate the problem, taking the user and the particular
workstation out of the equation.

christopher*


"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
wrote in message news:OpoLKHbVFHA.3244@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
When you logged on to the workstation, are you logged on as that user???
Is the "normal" user a member of the Local Administrator's Group
If not give that a try

--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Please do not email me directly for assistance. Reply only in the
Newsgroups for the benefit of everyone
"ThereIsNoTry" <nospam@spamless.spa> wrote in message
news:O5KnQKXVFHA.3240@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Hello All:

I've got a bear of an issue that I've been wrestling with the past few
weeks...

Short Version:
-SBS2000 server, fully patched and packed on a Dell Poweredge 4400
-dual nic configuration
-DSL router controlled by ISP
-ISA is installed and running
-necessary ports (required by citrix) are open
-client using XP Pro SP2
-NEW: client using Citrix Client ( v7.00.17534) to connect to outside server
& applications
-80% of the time the client connects to the remote server via Citrix, the
local server BSOD's with the following message on screen:
"DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
-Event log shows only one single related message:
>>
Event Type:Information
Event Source:Save Dump
Event Category:None
Event ID:1001
Date:4/26/2005
Time:2:36:55 PM
User:N/A
Computer:LOCAL SERVER
Description:
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was:
0x000000d1 (0x00000013, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x00000013).
Microsoft Windows 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in:
C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP.
>>
-no other symptoms are present.
-local system not affected - no logged errors or other issues, with the
exception of the issues common to any system that is connected to a downed
server
-the crash ALWAYS occurs at some very random point AFTER logon to remote
server is successful
-server comes back-up without any unusual problems.

Last night at the end of the day I installed the "uniprint" print drivers on
the local workstation and spent two hours trying to make the server crash.
The server didn't crash once in twelve clean trys!!

When the user came in to give it a try this morning - crashed, almost
immediately.

My testing had been pretty thorough - logged on as user, all of the usual
app's running - no problems. The one app that wasn't involved was the
accounting software "Platinum Accounting". It uses it's own little database
on the server that does take quite a few resources. But we previously tested
with and without that software running and the server would crash under both
conditions.

Extensive research has shown that network card drivers (particularly DLINK
which I'm not using) and printer drivers have been known to down servers
connecting via Citrix. But it is a little odd because Citrix is NOT running
on the server.

My questions:
1) is there a way to pinpoint the offending driver and/or get more detailed
"english" error messages?
2) what would make the difference between my test and the users? (This one
has me stumped, I can only think that perhaps it is NIC related and the
traffic from other users brings on the conflict - I was working late so
there weren't any other users taxing the network)
3) what are the safe steps for changing both NIC's ? (this is probably
posted elsewhere, I'll research this some more on my own).
4) what else am I overlooking?
5) has anyone else seen or heard of something similar?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

christopher*



Re: SBS2000 server BSOD when local machine uses Citrix Client by Gary

Gary
Wed May 11 12:27:57 CDT 2005

I had a similar problem with a Linksys NIC. I replaced it with a 3Com, and
the problem went away.

GaryK

"ThereIsNoTry" <nospam@spamless.spa> wrote in message
news:O5KnQKXVFHA.3240@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hello All:
>
> I've got a bear of an issue that I've been wrestling with the past few
> weeks...
>
> Short Version:
> -SBS2000 server, fully patched and packed on a Dell Poweredge 4400
> -dual nic configuration
> -DSL router controlled by ISP
> -ISA is installed and running
> -necessary ports (required by citrix) are open
> -client using XP Pro SP2
> -NEW: client using Citrix Client ( v7.00.17534) to connect to outside
> server & applications
> -80% of the time the client connects to the remote server via Citrix, the
> local server BSOD's with the following message on screen:
> "DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
> -Event log shows only one single related message:
> >>
> Event Type:Information
> Event Source:Save Dump
> Event Category:None
> Event ID:1001
> Date:4/26/2005
> Time:2:36:55 PM
> User:N/A
> Computer:LOCAL SERVER
> Description:
> The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was:
> 0x000000d1 (0x00000013, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x00000013).
> Microsoft Windows 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in:
> C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP.
> >>
> -no other symptoms are present.
> -local system not affected - no logged errors or other issues, with the
> exception of the issues common to any system that is connected to a downed
> server
> -the crash ALWAYS occurs at some very random point AFTER logon to remote
> server is successful
> -server comes back-up without any unusual problems.
>
> Last night at the end of the day I installed the "uniprint" print drivers
> on the local workstation and spent two hours trying to make the server
> crash. The server didn't crash once in twelve clean trys!!
>
> When the user came in to give it a try this morning - crashed, almost
> immediately.
>
> My testing had been pretty thorough - logged on as user, all of the usual
> app's running - no problems. The one app that wasn't involved was the
> accounting software "Platinum Accounting". It uses it's own little
> database on the server that does take quite a few resources. But we
> previously tested with and without that software running and the server
> would crash under both conditions.
>
> Extensive research has shown that network card drivers (particularly DLINK
> which I'm not using) and printer drivers have been known to down servers
> connecting via Citrix. But it is a little odd because Citrix is NOT
> running on the server.
>
> My questions:
> 1) is there a way to pinpoint the offending driver and/or get more
> detailed "english" error messages?
> 2) what would make the difference between my test and the users? (This one
> has me stumped, I can only think that perhaps it is NIC related and the
> traffic from other users brings on the conflict - I was working late so
> there weren't any other users taxing the network)
> 3) what are the safe steps for changing both NIC's ? (this is probably
> posted elsewhere, I'll research this some more on my own).
> 4) what else am I overlooking?
> 5) has anyone else seen or heard of something similar?
>
> Thanks in advance for any insights.
>
> christopher*
>
>
>
>



Re: SBS2000 server BSOD when local machine uses Citrix Client by ThereIsNoTry

ThereIsNoTry
Wed May 11 13:31:13 CDT 2005

Hey Gary:

Thanks for the info!

Did you have the Linksys in the system for awhile before the problem was
manifested? This one has been in the system since it was built and we've
had no issues with it until the Citrix client was put in use.

I've been thinking of forgoing some of the other troubleshooting steps and
replacing the NICs but I'm not sure how much of hassle thats going to be in
terms of getting all of the bindings and other stuff back in place.

christopher*




"Gary Karasik" <gkarasik@fea.net> wrote in message
news:OvNkG7kVFHA.3636@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I had a similar problem with a Linksys NIC. I replaced it with a 3Com, and
>the problem went away.
>
> GaryK
>
> "ThereIsNoTry" <nospam@spamless.spa> wrote in message
> news:O5KnQKXVFHA.3240@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Hello All:
>>
>> I've got a bear of an issue that I've been wrestling with the past few
>> weeks...
>>
>> Short Version:
>> -SBS2000 server, fully patched and packed on a Dell Poweredge 4400
>> -dual nic configuration
>> -DSL router controlled by ISP
>> -ISA is installed and running
>> -necessary ports (required by citrix) are open
>> -client using XP Pro SP2
>> -NEW: client using Citrix Client ( v7.00.17534) to connect to outside
>> server & applications
>> -80% of the time the client connects to the remote server via Citrix, the
>> local server BSOD's with the following message on screen:
>> "DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
>> -Event log shows only one single related message:
>> >>
>> Event Type:Information
>> Event Source:Save Dump
>> Event Category:None
>> Event ID:1001
>> Date:4/26/2005
>> Time:2:36:55 PM
>> User:N/A
>> Computer:LOCAL SERVER
>> Description:
>> The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was:
>> 0x000000d1 (0x00000013, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x00000013).
>> Microsoft Windows 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in:
>> C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP.
>> >>
>> -no other symptoms are present.
>> -local system not affected - no logged errors or other issues, with the
>> exception of the issues common to any system that is connected to a
>> downed server
>> -the crash ALWAYS occurs at some very random point AFTER logon to remote
>> server is successful
>> -server comes back-up without any unusual problems.
>>
>> Last night at the end of the day I installed the "uniprint" print drivers
>> on the local workstation and spent two hours trying to make the server
>> crash. The server didn't crash once in twelve clean trys!!
>>
>> When the user came in to give it a try this morning - crashed, almost
>> immediately.
>>
>> My testing had been pretty thorough - logged on as user, all of the usual
>> app's running - no problems. The one app that wasn't involved was the
>> accounting software "Platinum Accounting". It uses it's own little
>> database on the server that does take quite a few resources. But we
>> previously tested with and without that software running and the server
>> would crash under both conditions.
>>
>> Extensive research has shown that network card drivers (particularly
>> DLINK which I'm not using) and printer drivers have been known to down
>> servers connecting via Citrix. But it is a little odd because Citrix is
>> NOT running on the server.
>>
>> My questions:
>> 1) is there a way to pinpoint the offending driver and/or get more
>> detailed "english" error messages?
>> 2) what would make the difference between my test and the users? (This
>> one has me stumped, I can only think that perhaps it is NIC related and
>> the traffic from other users brings on the conflict - I was working late
>> so there weren't any other users taxing the network)
>> 3) what are the safe steps for changing both NIC's ? (this is probably
>> posted elsewhere, I'll research this some more on my own).
>> 4) what else am I overlooking?
>> 5) has anyone else seen or heard of something similar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any insights.
>>
>> christopher*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>