hfnetchklt on SBS

I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended to
install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my own
network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control of a
workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be working
on their workstation.
Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?

Rick in the Midwest

Susan
Tue Aug 19 23:44:10 CDT 2003

At home I have it on the server.... at the office I have it on the workstation
as that's where I patch from

As always... have a good backup....

Rick in the Midwest wrote:

> I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
> workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended to
> install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my own
> network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control of a
> workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be working
> on their workstation.
> Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
>
> Rick in the Midwest

--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your
patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
to use it properly and effectively."
~Rain Forest Puppy
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt

Rick
Tue Aug 19 23:55:27 CDT 2003

Does it work fine on your server?

Rick in the Midwest

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
wrote in message news:3F42FC9A.D37EECA5@pacbell.net...
> At home I have it on the server.... at the office I have it on the
workstation
> as that's where I patch from
>
> As always... have a good backup....
>
> Rick in the Midwest wrote:
>
> > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
> > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended
to
> > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my
own
> > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control
of a
> > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
working
> > on their workstation.
> > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> >
> > Rick in the Midwest
>
> --
> "Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
> not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
> not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your
> patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
> responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
> to use it properly and effectively."
> ~Rain Forest Puppy
> http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
>
>

Susan
Wed Aug 20 00:49:09 CDT 2003

At home it works just fine. Did a better job than Windows Update :-)

Rick in the Midwest wrote:

> Does it work fine on your server?
>
> Rick in the Midwest
>
> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> wrote in message news:3F42FC9A.D37EECA5@pacbell.net...
> > At home I have it on the server.... at the office I have it on the
> workstation
> > as that's where I patch from
> >
> > As always... have a good backup....
> >
> > Rick in the Midwest wrote:
> >
> > > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
> > > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> > > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended
> to
> > > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my
> own
> > > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> > > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> > > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control
> of a
> > > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
> working
> > > on their workstation.
> > > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> > >
> > > Rick in the Midwest
> >
> > --
> > "Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
> > not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
> > not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your
> > patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
> > responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
> > to use it properly and effectively."
> > ~Rain Forest Puppy
> > http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
> >
> >

--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being, not a
state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does not win.
Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your patches. Demand
better security from vendors and hold them responsible. Use what
you have, and make sure you know how to use it properly and effectively."
~ Rain Forest Puppy

http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt

Kevin
Wed Aug 20 04:55:50 CDT 2003

Rick,

You may be a bit confused ... it sounds like you think that in order to push
updates out to all workstations you need to have HfnetchkLT installed on the
server. That is not true.

I have HfnetchkLT installed on a workstation, and from that workstation I
can easily push out updates to all or selected workstations, or even the
server with no problems. Also, you do NOT need to install HfnetchkLT on
every workstation - just one.
-kw

"Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
news:OwUgU8sZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
> workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended
to
> install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my
own
> network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control of
a
> workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
working
> on their workstation.
> Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
>
> Rick in the Midwest
>
>

Gavin
Wed Aug 20 07:47:22 CDT 2003

I know that for me, it would be helpful to have it installed on my customers
servers, so that I could log on remotely and check/patch workstations.

Any reason it SHOULDN'T be in stalled on the server?

Gavin

"Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@gte.net> wrote in message
news:u3eJ%23EwZDHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Rick,
>
> You may be a bit confused ... it sounds like you think that in order to
push
> updates out to all workstations you need to have HfnetchkLT installed on
the
> server. That is not true.
>
> I have HfnetchkLT installed on a workstation, and from that workstation I
> can easily push out updates to all or selected workstations, or even the
> server with no problems. Also, you do NOT need to install HfnetchkLT on
> every workstation - just one.
> -kw
>
> "Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
> news:OwUgU8sZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
> > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended
> to
> > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my
> own
> > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control
of
> a
> > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
> working
> > on their workstation.
> > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> >
> > Rick in the Midwest
> >
> >
>
>

Rick
Wed Aug 20 08:00:02 CDT 2003

I am not confused. I know exactly how it works. I want to install it on the
server so I can terminal into it, then push updates to all the workstations
on the LAN. But the recommendation is to install it on ONE workstation not a
server. So I am asking if it works ok on the Small Business Server instead?

Rick in the Midwest

"Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@gte.net> wrote in message
news:u3eJ%23EwZDHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Rick,
>
> You may be a bit confused ... it sounds like you think that in order to
push
> updates out to all workstations you need to have HfnetchkLT installed on
the
> server. That is not true.
>
> I have HfnetchkLT installed on a workstation, and from that workstation I
> can easily push out updates to all or selected workstations, or even the
> server with no problems. Also, you do NOT need to install HfnetchkLT on
> every workstation - just one.
> -kw
>
> "Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
> news:OwUgU8sZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server and
> > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is recommended
> to
> > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on my
> own
> > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take control
of
> a
> > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
> working
> > on their workstation.
> > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> >
> > Rick in the Midwest
> >
> >
>
>

Rick
Wed Aug 20 08:41:45 CDT 2003

I understand that concept also but I mentioned that I prefer not to do that,
if possible.

"I know that I can probably take control of a workstation also but I didn't
want to disrupt someone that might be working on their workstation"

Are you saying that it might be a problem installing it on the server?

Rick in the Midwest

"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:ulwHc7xZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Got an XP workstation in the fleet? Enable Remote Desktop, VPN to the LAN
> then run HF VIA RDP session to the XP.
>
> "Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
> news:Oxg3JqxZDHA.2668@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > I am not confused. I know exactly how it works. I want to install it on
> the
> > server so I can terminal into it, then push updates to all the
> workstations
> > on the LAN. But the recommendation is to install it on ONE workstation
not
> a
> > server. So I am asking if it works ok on the Small Business Server
> instead?
> >
> > Rick in the Midwest
> >
> > "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@gte.net> wrote in message
> > news:u3eJ%23EwZDHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > You may be a bit confused ... it sounds like you think that in order
to
> > push
> > > updates out to all workstations you need to have HfnetchkLT installed
on
> > the
> > > server. That is not true.
> > >
> > > I have HfnetchkLT installed on a workstation, and from that
workstation
> I
> > > can easily push out updates to all or selected workstations, or even
the
> > > server with no problems. Also, you do NOT need to install HfnetchkLT
on
> > > every workstation - just one.
> > > -kw
> > >
> > > "Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
> > > news:OwUgU8sZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server
> and
> > > > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to
50
> > > > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is
> recommended
> > > to
> > > > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on
> my
> > > own
> > > > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with
Terminal
> > > > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access
it
> > > > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take
> control
> > of
> > > a
> > > > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
> > > working
> > > > on their workstation.
> > > > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> > > >
> > > > Rick in the Midwest
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

SuperGumby
Wed Aug 20 08:50:45 CDT 2003

> Are you saying that it might be a problem installing it on the server?

I haven't tried. I actually don't expect so, for the current version. I
wouldn't allow it to update itself until I had tested it on our test box
though, I've had some wierd stuff happen when HF updates but mind you,
nothing which has broken the system it was running on, just sometimes
necessary to remove, delete directory, re-install.

I think that, come payday, I'm finally going to get those drives I've been
promising Susan I'll give the Lounge Area Server. When I do the first two
tasks are SUS (I still ain't comfortable with that name) and hf on the
server. Meanwhile hf runs on W2K TS, a luxury necessity allows me.

Kevin
Wed Aug 20 13:42:46 CDT 2003

Gavin,

Susan indicated that she has installed it on her server at home. I prefer to
not install *any* end user applications on a server - period. That's my
reason.

I can easily connect to an admin workstation connected to the server, and
run HfNetCHKLT just as easy from the workstation as I could from the server.
Furthermore, if I screw up, the server is not affected.

-kw

"Gavin" <gavin@interprom.com> wrote in message
news:u7YuQlxZDHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I know that for me, it would be helpful to have it installed on my
customers
> servers, so that I could log on remotely and check/patch workstations.
>
> Any reason it SHOULDN'T be in stalled on the server?
>
> Gavin
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:u3eJ%23EwZDHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Rick,
> >
> > You may be a bit confused ... it sounds like you think that in order to
> push
> > updates out to all workstations you need to have HfnetchkLT installed on
> the
> > server. That is not true.
> >
> > I have HfnetchkLT installed on a workstation, and from that workstation
I
> > can easily push out updates to all or selected workstations, or even the
> > server with no problems. Also, you do NOT need to install HfnetchkLT on
> > every workstation - just one.
> > -kw
> >
> > "Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
> > news:OwUgU8sZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server
and
> > > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> > > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is
recommended
> > to
> > > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on
my
> > own
> > > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> > > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> > > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take
control
> of
> > a
> > > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
> > working
> > > on their workstation.
> > > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> > >
> > > Rick in the Midwest
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Kevin
Wed Aug 20 13:49:01 CDT 2003

Rick,

My response to you was based on your statement "I know that I can probably
take control of a workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that
might be working on their workstation." --- which I interpreted as you
thinking that you would have to connect to each and every workstation and
run HfNetChk locally on each, thus requiring you to have to kick people off
their PC's. I was simply pointing out that you can install HfNetChkLT on a
single workstation and push patches out to all workstations.

I apologize if I misunderstood your statement.

Personally, I choose to NOT install any third party apps on my servers. I
do not even have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on most of them! My only
exception is TightVNC.

-kw

"Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
news:Oxg3JqxZDHA.2668@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I am not confused. I know exactly how it works. I want to install it on
the
> server so I can terminal into it, then push updates to all the
workstations
> on the LAN. But the recommendation is to install it on ONE workstation not
a
> server. So I am asking if it works ok on the Small Business Server
instead?
>
> Rick in the Midwest
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:u3eJ%23EwZDHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Rick,
> >
> > You may be a bit confused ... it sounds like you think that in order to
> push
> > updates out to all workstations you need to have HfnetchkLT installed on
> the
> > server. That is not true.
> >
> > I have HfnetchkLT installed on a workstation, and from that workstation
I
> > can easily push out updates to all or selected workstations, or even the
> > server with no problems. Also, you do NOT need to install HfnetchkLT on
> > every workstation - just one.
> > -kw
> >
> > "Rick in the Midwest" <Rick.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.rdfts.com> wrote in message
> > news:OwUgU8sZDHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > I am trying to setup something for my clients to manage their server
and
> > > workstations for updates. The lite version of HFNetChk allows up to 50
> > > computers which is perfect for the SBS network. I know it is
recommended
> > to
> > > install on a workstation to push the updates as this is what I do on
my
> > own
> > > network. But can it be installed on the SBS and accessed with Terminal
> > > services? I am thinking of installing it on the servers and access it
> > > remotely to administer updates. I know that I can probably take
control
> of
> > a
> > > workstation also but I didn't want to disrupt someone that might be
> > working
> > > on their workstation.
> > > Any thoughts? Pros or Cons?
> > >
> > > Rick in the Midwest
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Kevin
Wed Aug 20 20:29:48 CDT 2003

Of course I run antivrus server software, and backup tape software on the
server -- that is, software designed to run on the server, for the server.

When I said no 3rd party apps, I was referring to end user applications ---
that is, software that can and should be run from a workstation. I don't
install Office on the servers, nor Outlook. And although Internet Explorer
is installed on SBS servers, I make it a point to not even use it unless
there is a legit reason or emergency.
-kw

"Marcio Watanabe" <Marcio@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jij7kvo3qf2d7mbvt02vscpn32rug2plcn@4ax.com...
> "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@gte.net> wrote:
>
> >Personally, I choose to NOT install any third party apps on my servers.
I
> >do not even have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on most of them! My only
> >exception is TightVNC.
>
> Wow, no antivirus software?! You are a brave, brave man.
>
> --
> Marcio Watanabe