exchange fragmentation issue.

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I am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work and for
some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies :) I hope
this isn't bad etiquette....

I am getting this error on an _sbs 2000_ server.

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MSExchangeIS
Event Category: Performance
Event ID: 9582
Date: 8/15/2007
Time: 12:34:40 PM
User: N/A
Computer: NETSERVER
Description:
The virtual memory necessary to run your Exchange server is fragmented in
such a way that performance may be affected. It is highly recommended that
you restart all Exchange services to correct this issue.

So.... I followed the instructions at:
1) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407
and at:
2)
http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=9582&eventno=2234&source=MSExchangeIS&phase=1

In _particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold setting to
262144 at
_unfortunately_ I still have an issue.

It almost seems to me this all happened about the time I added more memory
to the server... we are running about 3 gigs right now.

Can anyone offer any further advice??

Thank you so much,
Puzzled,
Joe.
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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Cris

Cris
Wed Sep 12 07:37:59 PDT 2007

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And when you added the Additional Memory to the server, did you modify =
your server's virtual memory?

Secondly you could change the Virtual Memory Setting to 0, which would =
delete the fragmented pagefile. Reboot. Then Recreate the Pagefile. =
Pagefile should be set to min and max of 4GB (4096 MB), with 3 GB of =
physical memory. Do not set to Let Windows Manage.

--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message =
news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work and =
for=20
some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies :) I =
hope=20
this isn't bad etiquette....

I am getting this error on an _sbs 2000_ server.

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MSExchangeIS
Event Category: Performance
Event ID: 9582
Date: 8/15/2007
Time: 12:34:40 PM
User: N/A
Computer: NETSERVER
Description:
The virtual memory necessary to run your Exchange server is fragmented =
in=20
such a way that performance may be affected. It is highly recommended =
that
you restart all Exchange services to correct this issue.

So.... I followed the instructions at:
1) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407
and at:
2)
=
http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=3D9582&eventno=3D2234&source=3DMSE=
xchangeIS&phase=3D1

In _particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold setting =
to=20
262144 at
_unfortunately_ I still have an issue.

It almost seems to me this all happened about the time I added more =
memory
to the server... we are running about 3 gigs right now.

Can anyone offer any further advice??

Thank you so much,
Puzzled,
Joe.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Secondly you could change the Virtual =
Memory=20
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Reboot.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then Recreate the Pagefile.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pagefile =
should be=20
set to min and max of 4GB (4096 MB), with 3 GB of physical memory.&nbsp; =
Do not=20
set to Let Windows Manage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna=20
[SBS-MVP]<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>Microso=
ft=20
MVPs<BR>&nbsp;Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>Real =
World=20
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Joe Letter" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nojunk@nojunk.com">nojunk@nojunk.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl">news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476=
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>I=20
am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work and =
for=20
<BR>some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies =
:)&nbsp; I=20
hope <BR>this isn't bad etiquette....<BR><BR>&nbsp; I am getting this =
error on=20
an _sbs 2000_ server.<BR><BR>Event Type: Warning<BR>Event Source:=20
MSExchangeIS<BR>Event Category: Performance<BR>Event ID: =
9582<BR>Date:&nbsp;=20
8/15/2007<BR>Time:&nbsp; 12:34:40 PM<BR>User:&nbsp; N/A<BR>Computer:=20
NETSERVER<BR>Description:<BR>The virtual memory necessary to run your =
Exchange=20
server is fragmented in <BR>such a way that performance may be =
affected. It is=20
highly recommended that<BR>you restart all Exchange services to =
correct this=20
issue.<BR><BR>So.... I followed the instructions at:<BR>1) <A=20
=
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407">http://support.microsoft.=
com/kb/315407</A><BR>and=20
at:<BR>2)<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=3D9582&amp;eventno=3D2234&=
amp;source=3DMSExchangeIS&amp;phase=3D1">http://eventid.net/display.asp?e=
ventid=3D9582&amp;eventno=3D2234&amp;source=3DMSExchangeIS&amp;phase=3D1<=
/A><BR><BR>In=20
_particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold setting to=20
<BR>262144 at<BR>_unfortunately_&nbsp; I still have an =
issue.<BR><BR>It almost=20
seems to me this all happened about the time I added more memory<BR>to =
the=20
server... we are running about 3 gigs right now.<BR><BR>Can anyone =
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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Joe

Joe
Wed Sep 12 13:59:17 PDT 2007

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Chris,
Thanks! Let see, here is what I have:

initial - max
c: 1536-4095 MB
e: 4095-4095 MB

total paging all drives:
min allowed 2mb
recommended 4606
currently allocated 5631

Perhaps it is bad that I have virtual memory setup on 2 drives, or that =
the recommended amount is only available when considering two drives.

Thanks!
Joe



"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" =
<crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote in message =
news:ufUcFqU9HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
And when you added the Additional Memory to the server, did you modify =
your server's virtual memory?

Secondly you could change the Virtual Memory Setting to 0, which would =
delete the fragmented pagefile. Reboot. Then Recreate the Pagefile. =
Pagefile should be set to min and max of 4GB (4096 MB), with 3 GB of =
physical memory. Do not set to Let Windows Manage.

--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message =
news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work =
and for=20
some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies :) I =
hope=20
this isn't bad etiquette....

I am getting this error on an _sbs 2000_ server.

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MSExchangeIS
Event Category: Performance
Event ID: 9582
Date: 8/15/2007
Time: 12:34:40 PM
User: N/A
Computer: NETSERVER
Description:
The virtual memory necessary to run your Exchange server is =
fragmented in=20
such a way that performance may be affected. It is highly =
recommended that
you restart all Exchange services to correct this issue.

So.... I followed the instructions at:
1) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407
and at:
2)
=
http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=3D9582&eventno=3D2234&source=3DMSE=
xchangeIS&phase=3D1

In _particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold setting =
to=20
262144 at
_unfortunately_ I still have an issue.

It almost seems to me this all happened about the time I added more =
memory
to the server... we are running about 3 gigs right now.

Can anyone offer any further advice??

Thank you so much,
Puzzled,
Joe.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp; Let see, here is what I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; initial - =
max</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>c: 1536-4095 MB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>e: 4095-4095 MB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>total paging all drives:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>min allowed 2mb</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>recommended 4606</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>currently allocated 5631</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps it is bad that I have virtual =
memory setup=20
on 2 drives, or that the recommended amount is only available when =
considering=20
two drives.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net">crisnosp=
amhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:ufUcFqU9HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl">news:ufUcFqU9HHA.5948=
@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And when you added the Additional =
Memory to the=20
server, did you modify your server's virtual memory?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Secondly you could change the Virtual =
Memory=20
Setting to 0, which would delete the fragmented pagefile.&nbsp;=20
Reboot.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then Recreate the Pagefile.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pagefile =
should be=20
set to min and max of 4GB (4096 MB), with 3 GB of physical =
memory.&nbsp; Do=20
not set to Let Windows Manage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna=20
=
[SBS-MVP]<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>Microso=
ft=20
MVPs<BR>&nbsp;Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>Real =
World=20
=
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Joe Letter" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nojunk@nojunk.com">nojunk@nojunk.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl">news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476=
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>I=20
am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work and =
for=20
<BR>some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies =
:)&nbsp; I=20
hope <BR>this isn't bad etiquette....<BR><BR>&nbsp; I am getting =
this error=20
on an _sbs 2000_ server.<BR><BR>Event Type: Warning<BR>Event Source: =

MSExchangeIS<BR>Event Category: Performance<BR>Event ID: =
9582<BR>Date:&nbsp;=20
8/15/2007<BR>Time:&nbsp; 12:34:40 PM<BR>User:&nbsp; N/A<BR>Computer: =

NETSERVER<BR>Description:<BR>The virtual memory necessary to run =
your=20
Exchange server is fragmented in <BR>such a way that performance may =
be=20
affected. It is highly recommended that<BR>you restart all Exchange =
services=20
to correct this issue.<BR><BR>So.... I followed the instructions =
at:<BR>1)=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407">http://support.microsoft.=
com/kb/315407</A><BR>and=20
at:<BR>2)<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=3D9582&amp;eventno=3D2234&=
amp;source=3DMSExchangeIS&amp;phase=3D1">http://eventid.net/display.asp?e=
ventid=3D9582&amp;eventno=3D2234&amp;source=3DMSExchangeIS&amp;phase=3D1<=
/A><BR><BR>In=20
_particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold setting to =

<BR>262144 at<BR>_unfortunately_&nbsp; I still have an =
issue.<BR><BR>It=20
almost seems to me this all happened about the time I added more=20
memory<BR>to the server... we are running about 3 gigs right =
now.<BR><BR>Can=20
anyone offer any further advice??<BR><BR>Thank you so=20
=
much,<BR>Puzzled,<BR>Joe.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Duncan

Duncan
Thu Sep 13 03:31:09 PDT 2007

In article <enXBR$X9HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, nojunk@nojunk.com
says...
> Chris,
> Thanks! Let see, here is what I have:
>
> initial - max
> c: 1536-4095 MB
> e: 4095-4095 MB
>
> total paging all drives:
> min allowed 2mb
> recommended 4606
> currently allocated 5631

One thing I do, is always (on all Win machines) set the max and min to
the same (ie set the min to the max). I figure if it blows out past the
min, then well, it won't get fragmented.

--
Duncan
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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Cris

Cris
Thu Sep 13 10:15:16 PDT 2007

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Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
Reboot
The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no matter =
how you split it.

put 2 gig on C; 2 gig on E
min and max to 2048mb

If you don't have a certain amount of pagefile on the C: you'll wont' =
get a dump file if you have a crash


--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message =
news:enXBR$X9HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Chris,
Thanks! Let see, here is what I have:

initial - max
c: 1536-4095 MB
e: 4095-4095 MB

total paging all drives:
min allowed 2mb
recommended 4606
currently allocated 5631

Perhaps it is bad that I have virtual memory setup on 2 drives, or =
that the recommended amount is only available when considering two =
drives.

Thanks!
Joe



"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" =
<crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote in message =
news:ufUcFqU9HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
And when you added the Additional Memory to the server, did you =
modify your server's virtual memory?

Secondly you could change the Virtual Memory Setting to 0, which =
would delete the fragmented pagefile. Reboot. Then Recreate the =
Pagefile. Pagefile should be set to min and max of 4GB (4096 MB), with =
3 GB of physical memory. Do not set to Let Windows Manage.

--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message =
news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work =
and for=20
some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies :) =
I hope=20
this isn't bad etiquette....

I am getting this error on an _sbs 2000_ server.

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MSExchangeIS
Event Category: Performance
Event ID: 9582
Date: 8/15/2007
Time: 12:34:40 PM
User: N/A
Computer: NETSERVER
Description:
The virtual memory necessary to run your Exchange server is =
fragmented in=20
such a way that performance may be affected. It is highly =
recommended that
you restart all Exchange services to correct this issue.

So.... I followed the instructions at:
1) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407
and at:
2)
=
http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=3D9582&eventno=3D2234&source=3DMSE=
xchangeIS&phase=3D1

In _particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold =
setting to=20
262144 at
_unfortunately_ I still have an issue.

It almost seems to me this all happened about the time I added =
more memory
to the server... we are running about 3 gigs right now.

Can anyone offer any further advice??

Thank you so much,
Puzzled,
Joe.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Delete them both, (set to no paging=20
file)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Reboot</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The max usuable pagefile in a standard =
windows=20
server is 4GB...no matter how you split it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>put 2 gig on C; &nbsp;2 gig on =
E</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>min and max to 2048mb</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you don't have a certain amount of =
pagefile on=20
the C: you'll wont' get a dump file if you have a crash</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna=20
[SBS-MVP]<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>Microso=
ft=20
MVPs<BR>&nbsp;Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>Real =
World=20
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Joe Letter" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nojunk@nojunk.com">nojunk@nojunk.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:enXBR$X9HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl">news:enXBR$X9HHA.1184=
@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

Thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp; Let see, here is what I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; initial - =
max</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>c: 1536-4095 MB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>e: 4095-4095 MB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>total paging all drives:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>min allowed 2mb</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>recommended 4606</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>currently allocated 5631</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps it is bad that I have virtual =
memory=20
setup on 2 drives, or that the recommended amount is only available =
when=20
considering two drives.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net">crisnosp=
amhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:ufUcFqU9HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl">news:ufUcFqU9HHA.5948=
@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And when you added the Additional =
Memory to the=20
server, did you modify your server's virtual memory?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Secondly you could change the =
Virtual Memory=20
Setting to 0, which would delete the fragmented pagefile.&nbsp;=20
Reboot.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then Recreate the Pagefile.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pagefile =
should=20
be set to min and max of 4GB (4096 MB), with 3 GB of physical =
memory.&nbsp;=20
Do not set to Let Windows Manage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna=20
=
[SBS-MVP]<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>Microso=
ft=20
MVPs<BR>&nbsp;Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>Real =
World=20
=
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Joe Letter" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nojunk@nojunk.com">nojunk@nojunk.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl">news:OYQAWeM9HHA.4476=
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>I=20
am reposting this as a new issue since the first try didn't work =
and for=20
<BR>some reason I think my buried post is not getting any replies =
:)&nbsp;=20
I hope <BR>this isn't bad etiquette....<BR><BR>&nbsp; I am getting =
this=20
error on an _sbs 2000_ server.<BR><BR>Event Type: Warning<BR>Event =
Source:=20
MSExchangeIS<BR>Event Category: Performance<BR>Event ID:=20
9582<BR>Date:&nbsp; 8/15/2007<BR>Time:&nbsp; 12:34:40 =
PM<BR>User:&nbsp;=20
N/A<BR>Computer: NETSERVER<BR>Description:<BR>The virtual memory =
necessary=20
to run your Exchange server is fragmented in <BR>such a way that=20
performance may be affected. It is highly recommended that<BR>you =
restart=20
all Exchange services to correct this issue.<BR><BR>So.... I =
followed the=20
instructions at:<BR>1) <A=20
=
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315407">http://support.microsoft.=
com/kb/315407</A><BR>and=20
at:<BR>2)<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=3D9582&amp;eventno=3D2234&=
amp;source=3DMSExchangeIS&amp;phase=3D1">http://eventid.net/display.asp?e=
ventid=3D9582&amp;eventno=3D2234&amp;source=3DMSExchangeIS&amp;phase=3D1<=
/A><BR><BR>In=20
_particular_ I changed the HeapDeCommitFreeBlockThreshold setting =
to=20
<BR>262144 at<BR>_unfortunately_&nbsp; I still have an =
issue.<BR><BR>It=20
almost seems to me this all happened about the time I added more=20
memory<BR>to the server... we are running about 3 gigs right=20
now.<BR><BR>Can anyone offer any further advice??<BR><BR>Thank you =
so=20
=
much,<BR>Puzzled,<BR>Joe.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Thu Sep 13 11:15:33 PDT 2007

reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
Reboot
The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no matter how
you split it.


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Cris

Cris
Thu Sep 13 12:38:35 PDT 2007

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well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us

However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB on =
a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based computer.

Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address =
Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically =
enabled when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices. Alternatively, =
you can force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini =
file.

but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??

--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message =
news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" =
<crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>=20
wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
Reboot
The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no =
matter how=20
you split it.=20


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Thu Sep 13 15:15:43 PDT 2007

Cris, it's SBS2000.

Windows 2000 can use a max of 4095MB per PF but can use multiple PF's
exceeding this value. Joe's page file on C: should be 3GB+~12MB to allow a
dump.

Joe, do you have the /3GB switch in boot.ini, if so, remove it, it is not to
be used on a DC.

On an unmodified SBS2000 the HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold is 0. I am not
aware of any reason this should be changed on SBS2000. Joe, you seem to be
implementing 'general' Exchange fixes to SBS, this is not recommended.
Exchange on SBS has been 'tuned' by SBS Dev to compensate for the fact that
SBS disregards several MS 'best practices'.

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
wrote in message news:%23Jnfr2j9HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us

However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB on a
Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based computer.

Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address
Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically enabled
when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices. Alternatively, you can
force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini file.

but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??

--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
Reboot
The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no matter
how
you split it.


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Joe

Joe
Wed Sep 19 14:45:50 PDT 2007

Ok. Thanks..

So, I just changed HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold back to 0

here is my boot.ini:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Server"
/fastdetect

Did you want me to remove the pagefile on E?
Should I set the max and min to 3084 on C only?
(btw. general tab of system proprties says I have 3,145,072Kb Ram.)
Do I really have to reboot the server once without a pagefile, then set one?
Couldn't I just change it and reboot?

Thanks so so much!



"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:eZNnhOl9HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Cris, it's SBS2000.
>
> Windows 2000 can use a max of 4095MB per PF but can use multiple PF's
> exceeding this value. Joe's page file on C: should be 3GB+~12MB to allow a
> dump.
>
> Joe, do you have the /3GB switch in boot.ini, if so, remove it, it is not
> to be used on a DC.
>
> On an unmodified SBS2000 the HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold is 0. I am not
> aware of any reason this should be changed on SBS2000. Joe, you seem to be
> implementing 'general' Exchange fixes to SBS, this is not recommended.
> Exchange on SBS has been 'tuned' by SBS Dev to compensate for the fact
> that SBS disregards several MS 'best practices'.
>
> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
> wrote in message news:%23Jnfr2j9HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us
>
> However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB on a
> Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based computer.
>
> Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address
> Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically
> enabled when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices. Alternatively,
> you can force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini
> file.
>
> but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??
>
> --
> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> -------------------------------------------------
> Microsoft MVPs
> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
> Real World Answers
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.
>
> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
> wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
> Reboot
> The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no matter
> how
> you split it.
>


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Wed Sep 19 19:53:36 PDT 2007

I would probably move as much as I could off C: then set the page file to 0
on C: and defrag C:. I would then creat a pagefile on C: at ~3200MB (min and
max). This should result in a contiguous pagefile of sufficient size to
allow a dump, should it be necessary. Moving what you can off C: and
defragging (particularly if you use third party defrag which also moves
files to outer cylinders) allows the pagefile to locate as far out to the
edge as possible, improving performance.

Then move what you want back to C:.

Then do similar for E:, keeping in mind that Windows performs best when the
paging file is only slightly bigger than necessary. There is an area of
which I'm unsure concerning the size of pagefile on additional partitions,
you see, Windows also uses an algorithm to decide which pagefile is going to
offer best performance. For these reasons I'd probably FORMAT E: (umm backup
what's on it 1st :-) and immediately create a 2GB (max and min) pagefile on
E:.

This would result in a pagefile (combined) 5GB, a little over the 'rule of
thumb' of 1.5 times RAM. Both segments would be contiguous blocks, and as
optimally placed as possible.

"Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message
news:e7iu2Zw%23HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ok. Thanks..
>
> So, I just changed HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold back to 0
>
> here is my boot.ini:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Server"
> /fastdetect
>
> Did you want me to remove the pagefile on E?
> Should I set the max and min to 3084 on C only?
> (btw. general tab of system proprties says I have 3,145,072Kb Ram.)
> Do I really have to reboot the server once without a pagefile, then set
> one? Couldn't I just change it and reboot?
>
> Thanks so so much!
>
>
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:eZNnhOl9HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Cris, it's SBS2000.
>>
>> Windows 2000 can use a max of 4095MB per PF but can use multiple PF's
>> exceeding this value. Joe's page file on C: should be 3GB+~12MB to allow
>> a dump.
>>
>> Joe, do you have the /3GB switch in boot.ini, if so, remove it, it is not
>> to be used on a DC.
>>
>> On an unmodified SBS2000 the HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold is 0. I am
>> not aware of any reason this should be changed on SBS2000. Joe, you seem
>> to be implementing 'general' Exchange fixes to SBS, this is not
>> recommended. Exchange on SBS has been 'tuned' by SBS Dev to compensate
>> for the fact that SBS disregards several MS 'best practices'.
>>
>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
>> wrote in message news:%23Jnfr2j9HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us
>>
>> However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB on
>> a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based computer.
>>
>> Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address
>> Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically
>> enabled when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices. Alternatively,
>> you can force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini
>> file.
>>
>> but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??
>>
>> --
>> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Microsoft MVPs
>> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
>> Real World Answers
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>>
>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>> news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.
>>
>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
>> wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
>> Reboot
>> The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no matter
>> how
>> you split it.
>>
>
>


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Joe

Joe
Mon Oct 01 15:43:20 PDT 2007

Well, Perhaps it would be good to clarify that C and E are on the same
drives in a RAID 5 array.

Does this change any of the recommendation?

At this point I don't care about performance, I just want to stop getting
the exchange fragmentation error. Also, I don't think the client will pay
for my time to perform the good-to-do-but-not-absolutely-needed process of
formating, defragging, etc.

Any Suggestions?

Thanks!
Joe.


"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:uMOYzFz%23HHA.5324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I would probably move as much as I could off C: then set the page file to 0
>on C: and defrag C:. I would then creat a pagefile on C: at ~3200MB (min
>and max). This should result in a contiguous pagefile of sufficient size to
>allow a dump, should it be necessary. Moving what you can off C: and
>defragging (particularly if you use third party defrag which also moves
>files to outer cylinders) allows the pagefile to locate as far out to the
>edge as possible, improving performance.
>
> Then move what you want back to C:.
>
> Then do similar for E:, keeping in mind that Windows performs best when
> the paging file is only slightly bigger than necessary. There is an area
> of which I'm unsure concerning the size of pagefile on additional
> partitions, you see, Windows also uses an algorithm to decide which
> pagefile is going to offer best performance. For these reasons I'd
> probably FORMAT E: (umm backup what's on it 1st :-) and immediately create
> a 2GB (max and min) pagefile on E:.
>
> This would result in a pagefile (combined) 5GB, a little over the 'rule of
> thumb' of 1.5 times RAM. Both segments would be contiguous blocks, and as
> optimally placed as possible.
>
> "Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message
> news:e7iu2Zw%23HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Ok. Thanks..
>>
>> So, I just changed HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold back to 0
>>
>> here is my boot.ini:
>>
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=30
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Server"
>> /fastdetect
>>
>> Did you want me to remove the pagefile on E?
>> Should I set the max and min to 3084 on C only?
>> (btw. general tab of system proprties says I have 3,145,072Kb Ram.)
>> Do I really have to reboot the server once without a pagefile, then set
>> one? Couldn't I just change it and reboot?
>>
>> Thanks so so much!
>>
>>
>>
>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>> news:eZNnhOl9HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Cris, it's SBS2000.
>>>
>>> Windows 2000 can use a max of 4095MB per PF but can use multiple PF's
>>> exceeding this value. Joe's page file on C: should be 3GB+~12MB to allow
>>> a dump.
>>>
>>> Joe, do you have the /3GB switch in boot.ini, if so, remove it, it is
>>> not to be used on a DC.
>>>
>>> On an unmodified SBS2000 the HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold is 0. I am
>>> not aware of any reason this should be changed on SBS2000. Joe, you seem
>>> to be implementing 'general' Exchange fixes to SBS, this is not
>>> recommended. Exchange on SBS has been 'tuned' by SBS Dev to compensate
>>> for the fact that SBS disregards several MS 'best practices'.
>>>
>>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Jnfr2j9HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us
>>>
>>> However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB on
>>> a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based computer.
>>>
>>> Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address
>>> Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically
>>> enabled when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices. Alternatively,
>>> you can force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini
>>> file.
>>>
>>> but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>> Microsoft MVPs
>>> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
>>> Real World Answers
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>>>
>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>>> news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.
>>>
>>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
>>> wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
>>> Reboot
>>> The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no
>>> matter how
>>> you split it.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Mon Oct 01 16:25:20 PDT 2007

OK, so let's forget all this piffle about the page file and get back to the
original question.

Event ID: 9582
Description:
The virtual memory necessary to run your Exchange server is fragmented in
such a way that performance may be affected. It is highly recommended that
you restart all Exchange services to correct this issue.

A couple of people have raised this recently and my initial reaction was
something along the lines of 'no, haven't seen it', but stories change :-) I
now have one site where I can confirm similar but so far no complaint and
another site I will check today who were complaining about slow email
thurs/fri (tues today, yesterday a public holiday). Both sites are running
stores just under 16GB, I'd be interested to know how big your store is
(size of priv1.edb+priv1.stm).

So, so far I don't know the cause nor the solution. We need to be careful
though about what we do, as mentioned previously Exchange on SBS is a
special beast. See what you can dig up and I'm interested to hear what
actual impact you may notice (does email get slow? does Exchange eventually
fail?).

"Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message
news:u1r38xHBIHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Well, Perhaps it would be good to clarify that C and E are on the same
> drives in a RAID 5 array.
>
> Does this change any of the recommendation?
>
> At this point I don't care about performance, I just want to stop getting
> the exchange fragmentation error. Also, I don't think the client will pay
> for my time to perform the good-to-do-but-not-absolutely-needed process of
> formating, defragging, etc.
>
> Any Suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> Joe.
>
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:uMOYzFz%23HHA.5324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I would probably move as much as I could off C: then set the page file to
>>0 on C: and defrag C:. I would then creat a pagefile on C: at ~3200MB (min
>>and max). This should result in a contiguous pagefile of sufficient size
>>to allow a dump, should it be necessary. Moving what you can off C: and
>>defragging (particularly if you use third party defrag which also moves
>>files to outer cylinders) allows the pagefile to locate as far out to the
>>edge as possible, improving performance.
>>
>> Then move what you want back to C:.
>>
>> Then do similar for E:, keeping in mind that Windows performs best when
>> the paging file is only slightly bigger than necessary. There is an area
>> of which I'm unsure concerning the size of pagefile on additional
>> partitions, you see, Windows also uses an algorithm to decide which
>> pagefile is going to offer best performance. For these reasons I'd
>> probably FORMAT E: (umm backup what's on it 1st :-) and immediately
>> create a 2GB (max and min) pagefile on E:.
>>
>> This would result in a pagefile (combined) 5GB, a little over the 'rule
>> of thumb' of 1.5 times RAM. Both segments would be contiguous blocks, and
>> as optimally placed as possible.
>>
>> "Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message
>> news:e7iu2Zw%23HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Ok. Thanks..
>>>
>>> So, I just changed HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold back to 0
>>>
>>> here is my boot.ini:
>>>
>>> [boot loader]
>>> timeout=30
>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
>>> [operating systems]
>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000
>>> Server" /fastdetect
>>>
>>> Did you want me to remove the pagefile on E?
>>> Should I set the max and min to 3084 on C only?
>>> (btw. general tab of system proprties says I have 3,145,072Kb Ram.)
>>> Do I really have to reboot the server once without a pagefile, then set
>>> one? Couldn't I just change it and reboot?
>>>
>>> Thanks so so much!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>>> news:eZNnhOl9HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Cris, it's SBS2000.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 2000 can use a max of 4095MB per PF but can use multiple PF's
>>>> exceeding this value. Joe's page file on C: should be 3GB+~12MB to
>>>> allow a dump.
>>>>
>>>> Joe, do you have the /3GB switch in boot.ini, if so, remove it, it is
>>>> not to be used on a DC.
>>>>
>>>> On an unmodified SBS2000 the HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold is 0. I am
>>>> not aware of any reason this should be changed on SBS2000. Joe, you
>>>> seem to be implementing 'general' Exchange fixes to SBS, this is not
>>>> recommended. Exchange on SBS has been 'tuned' by SBS Dev to compensate
>>>> for the fact that SBS disregards several MS 'best practices'.
>>>>
>>>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>>>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Jnfr2j9HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us
>>>>
>>>> However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB
>>>> on a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based computer.
>>>>
>>>> Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address
>>>> Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically
>>>> enabled when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices. Alternatively,
>>>> you can force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch in the Boot.ini
>>>> file.
>>>>
>>>> but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>> Microsoft MVPs
>>>> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
>>>> Real World Answers
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>>>>
>>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>>>> news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.
>>>>
>>>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>>>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
>>>> wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
>>>> Reboot
>>>> The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no
>>>> matter how
>>>> you split it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Joe

Joe
Mon Nov 12 10:15:44 PST 2007

They are very close to the 16gb... Actually they hit it, then I had them
delete a bunch of mail. They are now under 16gb by a few gigs, but they
file edb and stm files remain at the combined size of about 16gb.

They do seem to have what I would classify as minor performance issues... an
occasional "waiting for echange server" at the client side. It never fails.
The performance, if I remeber right, was about the same before I started
noticing the errors. In other words, they may not be related.

Maybe I should offline flatten the db?

Thanks!
Joe.


"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:eOj1WJIBIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> OK, so let's forget all this piffle about the page file and get back to
> the original question.
>
> Event ID: 9582
> Description:
> The virtual memory necessary to run your Exchange server is fragmented in
> such a way that performance may be affected. It is highly recommended that
> you restart all Exchange services to correct this issue.
>
> A couple of people have raised this recently and my initial reaction was
> something along the lines of 'no, haven't seen it', but stories change :-)
> I now have one site where I can confirm similar but so far no complaint
> and another site I will check today who were complaining about slow email
> thurs/fri (tues today, yesterday a public holiday). Both sites are running
> stores just under 16GB, I'd be interested to know how big your store is
> (size of priv1.edb+priv1.stm).
>
> So, so far I don't know the cause nor the solution. We need to be careful
> though about what we do, as mentioned previously Exchange on SBS is a
> special beast. See what you can dig up and I'm interested to hear what
> actual impact you may notice (does email get slow? does Exchange
> eventually fail?).
>
> "Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message
> news:u1r38xHBIHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Well, Perhaps it would be good to clarify that C and E are on the same
>> drives in a RAID 5 array.
>>
>> Does this change any of the recommendation?
>>
>> At this point I don't care about performance, I just want to stop getting
>> the exchange fragmentation error. Also, I don't think the client will
>> pay for my time to perform the good-to-do-but-not-absolutely-needed
>> process of formating, defragging, etc.
>>
>> Any Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Joe.
>>
>>
>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>> news:uMOYzFz%23HHA.5324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I would probably move as much as I could off C: then set the page file to
>>>0 on C: and defrag C:. I would then creat a pagefile on C: at ~3200MB
>>>(min and max). This should result in a contiguous pagefile of sufficient
>>>size to allow a dump, should it be necessary. Moving what you can off C:
>>>and defragging (particularly if you use third party defrag which also
>>>moves files to outer cylinders) allows the pagefile to locate as far out
>>>to the edge as possible, improving performance.
>>>
>>> Then move what you want back to C:.
>>>
>>> Then do similar for E:, keeping in mind that Windows performs best when
>>> the paging file is only slightly bigger than necessary. There is an area
>>> of which I'm unsure concerning the size of pagefile on additional
>>> partitions, you see, Windows also uses an algorithm to decide which
>>> pagefile is going to offer best performance. For these reasons I'd
>>> probably FORMAT E: (umm backup what's on it 1st :-) and immediately
>>> create a 2GB (max and min) pagefile on E:.
>>>
>>> This would result in a pagefile (combined) 5GB, a little over the 'rule
>>> of thumb' of 1.5 times RAM. Both segments would be contiguous blocks,
>>> and as optimally placed as possible.
>>>
>>> "Joe Letter" <nojunk@nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e7iu2Zw%23HHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Ok. Thanks..
>>>>
>>>> So, I just changed HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold back to 0
>>>>
>>>> here is my boot.ini:
>>>>
>>>> [boot loader]
>>>> timeout=30
>>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
>>>> [operating systems]
>>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000
>>>> Server" /fastdetect
>>>>
>>>> Did you want me to remove the pagefile on E?
>>>> Should I set the max and min to 3084 on C only?
>>>> (btw. general tab of system proprties says I have 3,145,072Kb Ram.)
>>>> Do I really have to reboot the server once without a pagefile, then set
>>>> one? Couldn't I just change it and reboot?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks so so much!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>>>> news:eZNnhOl9HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Cris, it's SBS2000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 2000 can use a max of 4095MB per PF but can use multiple PF's
>>>>> exceeding this value. Joe's page file on C: should be 3GB+~12MB to
>>>>> allow a dump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe, do you have the /3GB switch in boot.ini, if so, remove it, it is
>>>>> not to be used on a DC.
>>>>>
>>>>> On an unmodified SBS2000 the HeapDecommitFreeBlockThreshold is 0. I am
>>>>> not aware of any reason this should be changed on SBS2000. Joe, you
>>>>> seem to be implementing 'general' Exchange fixes to SBS, this is not
>>>>> recommended. Exchange on SBS has been 'tuned' by SBS Dev to compensate
>>>>> for the fact that SBS disregards several MS 'best practices'.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>>>>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23Jnfr2j9HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> well apparently some things when SP1 came out that I missed
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237740/en-us
>>>>>
>>>>> However, you can create a single page file that is more than 4,095 MB
>>>>> on a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based
>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notes To create a larger page file, you must load the Physical Address
>>>>> Extension (PAE) kernel. In Windows Server 2003, PAE is automatically
>>>>> enabled when the server is using Hot Add Memory devices.
>>>>> Alternatively, you can force the PAE kernel by adding the /PAE switch
>>>>> in the Boot.ini file.
>>>>>
>>>>> but doesn't /PAE cause its own issues in SBS??
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Microsoft MVPs
>>>>> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
>>>>> Real World Answers
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>>>>>
>>>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>>>>> news:um5vUIj9HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> reference please Cris, I do not believe this to be so.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
>>>>> <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
>>>>> wrote in message news:uO8Bmmi9HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Delete them both, (set to no paging file)
>>>>> Reboot
>>>>> The max usuable pagefile in a standard windows server is 4GB...no
>>>>> matter how
>>>>> you split it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: exchange fragmentation issue. by Joe

Joe
Mon Nov 26 13:11:46 PST 2007

anybody?