OTT: New building 300yards away

Hi
Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to the
network.
It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
NIC's.
Thanks
Harry

Eugene
Sat Apr 10 16:11:08 CDT 2004

hi Harry,

I think no need to get so exotic unless you enjoy doing it.

If you really can lay a trunk in between the buildings, 300ft
is just abt slightly more than the 100m span. Some well
known brands of switches enable you to link even logner
distances than that (between switches); I think a proprietry
high speed signal is used between the devices. I can't
remember the models but Cisco, 3Com shd have these,
perhaps SMC and Accton too.

HTH,
Eugene Tan

Mike
Sat Apr 10 16:59:31 CDT 2004

Use a wireless bridge at each end with a couple of external antenna's have a
look at SMC kit.

Otherwise install some fibre cable with a fibre converter at each end.

Regards

Mike E.

"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi
> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
> another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to the
> network.
> It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
> NIC's.
> Thanks
> Harry

Phil
Sun Apr 11 08:11:31 CDT 2004

Harry:

For outside use and a run of 300 yards (900 ft), due to rain and
in some places snow, stay with fiber cable.

Now, just some thoughts, and most of them are way, way, OT.

You didn't mention the solution your company has for voice / telephone
integration of the warehouse, but I am sure there is some solution in
discussion. If you go with an underground cable, are you going to
piggy-back your computer cable with the voice cable?

If you have the time, get a quote on going overhead with telephone poles.
(You can sell the idea better if you remember that a telephone pole is a
good place for an external security TV camera.) You could let your local
Telephone company, or cable TV company, who have the manpower, tools, cable,
and experience with cable runs, get a chance on bidding the job. Also, in
the
USA, most larger communities have independent sub-contractors to the local
telephone company that do trunk line installations. Any of the above would
know what is the best install for your local community, soil conditions
weather, etc. for outside plant cable runs overhead in poles or below
ground. Go with typical solution for company your size and cable distance
run in your community.

Things you should not overlook:
-Building permits required?
-Changes required to county registered land survey documents?
(this I think occurs very seldom, others use it for "Miss Dig")
-Are you required by code to lay underground cable below the
frost line?
-Which is best for your install: armor sheathed cable, or large diameter
outdoor underground electric plastic conduit with fiber optic cable
inside "inter-duct"?
-If you go with conduit, should you pressurize the conduit with
nitrogen. (keeps water out, informs you if break occurs)

again just some OT thoughts.

Phil S.

"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi
> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
> another building some 300 yards away. there will be a
> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to the
> network.
> It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
> NIC's.
> Thanks
> Harry

Harry
Mon Apr 12 03:39:58 CDT 2004

Thanks Mike
>-----Original Message-----
>Use a wireless bridge at each end with a couple of
external antenna's have a
>look at SMC kit.
>
>Otherwise install some fibre cable with a fibre
converter at each end.
>
>Regards
>
>Mike E.
>
>"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hi
>> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
>> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
>> another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
>> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to
the
>> network.
>> It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
>> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard
Ethernet.
>> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
>> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
>> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte
fibre
>> NIC's.
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>
>
>.
>

Harry
Mon Apr 12 03:39:29 CDT 2004

Thanks Eugene
>-----Original Message-----
>hi Harry,
>
>I think no need to get so exotic unless you enjoy doing
it.
>
>If you really can lay a trunk in between the buildings,
300ft
>is just abt slightly more than the 100m span. Some well
>known brands of switches enable you to link even logner
>distances than that (between switches); I think a
proprietry
>high speed signal is used between the devices. I can't
>remember the models but Cisco, 3Com shd have these,
>perhaps SMC and Accton too.
>
>HTH,
>Eugene Tan
>
>
>.
>

Harry
Mon Apr 12 03:41:13 CDT 2004

Thanks Phil - some good points
>-----Original Message-----
>Harry:
>
>For outside use and a run of 300 yards (900 ft), due to
rain and
> in some places snow, stay with fiber cable.
>
>Now, just some thoughts, and most of them are way, way,
OT.
>
>You didn't mention the solution your company has for
voice / telephone
>integration of the warehouse, but I am sure there is
some solution in
>discussion. If you go with an underground cable, are
you going to
>piggy-back your computer cable with the voice cable?
>
>If you have the time, get a quote on going overhead with
telephone poles.
>(You can sell the idea better if you remember that a
telephone pole is a
>good place for an external security TV camera.) You
could let your local
>Telephone company, or cable TV company, who have the
manpower, tools, cable,
>and experience with cable runs, get a chance on bidding
the job. Also, in
>the
>USA, most larger communities have independent sub-
contractors to the local
>telephone company that do trunk line installations. Any
of the above would
>know what is the best install for your local community,
soil conditions
>weather, etc. for outside plant cable runs overhead in
poles or below
>ground. Go with typical solution for company your size
and cable distance
>run in your community.
>
>Things you should not overlook:
> -Building permits required?
> -Changes required to county registered land survey
documents?
> (this I think occurs very seldom, others use it
for "Miss Dig")
> -Are you required by code to lay underground cable
below the
> frost line?
> -Which is best for your install: armor sheathed
cable, or large diameter
> outdoor underground electric plastic conduit
with fiber optic cable
> inside "inter-duct"?
> -If you go with conduit, should you pressurize the
conduit with
> nitrogen. (keeps water out, informs you if break
occurs)
>
>again just some OT thoughts.
>
>Phil S.
>
>"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hi
>> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
>> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
>> another building some 300 yards away. there will be a
>> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to
the
>> network.
>> It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
>> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard
Ethernet.
>> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
>> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
>> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte
fibre
>> NIC's.
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>
>.
>

IBC
Tue Apr 13 11:34:36 CDT 2004

DEFINITELY Fiber. I have a location that FINALLY went to it after 3 years of
frying PCs despite having proper grounding and surge protection. They were
running over a copper line overhead between to metal buildings and it was
almost a garauntee that every storm would bring some damage. Not one issue
since the fiber went in.


"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1b3e301c42069$e9c5b640$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Thanks Phil - some good points
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Harry:
> >
> >For outside use and a run of 300 yards (900 ft), due to
> rain and
> > in some places snow, stay with fiber cable.
> >
> >Now, just some thoughts, and most of them are way, way,
> OT.
> >
> >You didn't mention the solution your company has for
> voice / telephone
> >integration of the warehouse, but I am sure there is
> some solution in
> >discussion. If you go with an underground cable, are
> you going to
> >piggy-back your computer cable with the voice cable?
> >
> >If you have the time, get a quote on going overhead with
> telephone poles.
> >(You can sell the idea better if you remember that a
> telephone pole is a
> >good place for an external security TV camera.) You
> could let your local
> >Telephone company, or cable TV company, who have the
> manpower, tools, cable,
> >and experience with cable runs, get a chance on bidding
> the job. Also, in
> >the
> >USA, most larger communities have independent sub-
> contractors to the local
> >telephone company that do trunk line installations. Any
> of the above would
> >know what is the best install for your local community,
> soil conditions
> >weather, etc. for outside plant cable runs overhead in
> poles or below
> >ground. Go with typical solution for company your size
> and cable distance
> >run in your community.
> >
> >Things you should not overlook:
> > -Building permits required?
> > -Changes required to county registered land survey
> documents?
> > (this I think occurs very seldom, others use it
> for "Miss Dig")
> > -Are you required by code to lay underground cable
> below the
> > frost line?
> > -Which is best for your install: armor sheathed
> cable, or large diameter
> > outdoor underground electric plastic conduit
> with fiber optic cable
> > inside "inter-duct"?
> > -If you go with conduit, should you pressurize the
> conduit with
> > nitrogen. (keeps water out, informs you if break
> occurs)
> >
> >again just some OT thoughts.
> >
> >Phil S.
> >
> >"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> >news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> >> Hi
> >> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
> >> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
> >> another building some 300 yards away. there will be a
> >> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to
> the
> >> network.
> >> It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
> >> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard
> Ethernet.
> >> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
> >> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
> >> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte
> fibre
> >> NIC's.
> >> Thanks
> >> Harry
> >
> >.
> >

dilltech
Tue Apr 13 16:58:03 CDT 2004

Take a look at Proxim - Quickbridge 11

It is a line of site wireless solution.

comes as a kit with both antennas and mounting hardware.

approx $1400.00 US

supports 802.11B(11MBS) transmission and is likely
suitable for VOIP for IP phones as well.

I have ordered it and will be installing soon. Will have
<10 Desktops and backup server in remote location.

RickD
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi
>Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
>We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
>another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
>requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to the
>network.
>It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
>lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
>Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
>red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
>fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
>NIC's.
>Thanks
>Harry
>.
>

SuperGumby
Tue Apr 13 19:31:59 CDT 2004

want 10Mbps over 2pair?

http://www.rad.com/Article/0,6583,17438,00.html should point to the RAD
TinyBridge they were about AU$500 per unit several years ago. I used a
couple across 128K ISDN between a warehouse and HQ. Solid little performers.

Even an option of fibre on the WAN, if you want it.

--
Mick Malloy
http://www.micropol.com.au

"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi
> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
> another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to the
> network.
> It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
> NIC's.
> Thanks
> Harry

Harry
Thu Apr 15 02:30:38 CDT 2004

Thanks ICB. Sounds like the choice then.
>-----Original Message-----
>DEFINITELY Fiber. I have a location that FINALLY went to
it after 3 years of
>frying PCs despite having proper grounding and surge
protection. They were
>running over a copper line overhead between to metal
buildings and it was
>almost a garauntee that every storm would bring some
damage. Not one issue
>since the fiber went in.
>
>
>"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>news:1b3e301c42069$e9c5b640$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> Thanks Phil - some good points
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Harry:
>> >
>> >For outside use and a run of 300 yards (900 ft), due
to
>> rain and
>> > in some places snow, stay with fiber cable.
>> >
>> >Now, just some thoughts, and most of them are way,
way,
>> OT.
>> >
>> >You didn't mention the solution your company has for
>> voice / telephone
>> >integration of the warehouse, but I am sure there is
>> some solution in
>> >discussion. If you go with an underground cable, are
>> you going to
>> >piggy-back your computer cable with the voice cable?
>> >
>> >If you have the time, get a quote on going overhead
with
>> telephone poles.
>> >(You can sell the idea better if you remember that a
>> telephone pole is a
>> >good place for an external security TV camera.) You
>> could let your local
>> >Telephone company, or cable TV company, who have the
>> manpower, tools, cable,
>> >and experience with cable runs, get a chance on
bidding
>> the job. Also, in
>> >the
>> >USA, most larger communities have independent sub-
>> contractors to the local
>> >telephone company that do trunk line installations.
Any
>> of the above would
>> >know what is the best install for your local
community,
>> soil conditions
>> >weather, etc. for outside plant cable runs overhead in
>> poles or below
>> >ground. Go with typical solution for company your
size
>> and cable distance
>> >run in your community.
>> >
>> >Things you should not overlook:
>> > -Building permits required?
>> > -Changes required to county registered land survey
>> documents?
>> > (this I think occurs very seldom, others use it
>> for "Miss Dig")
>> > -Are you required by code to lay underground cable
>> below the
>> > frost line?
>> > -Which is best for your install: armor sheathed
>> cable, or large diameter
>> > outdoor underground electric plastic conduit
>> with fiber optic cable
>> > inside "inter-duct"?
>> > -If you go with conduit, should you pressurize the
>> conduit with
>> > nitrogen. (keeps water out, informs you if
break
>> occurs)
>> >
>> >again just some OT thoughts.
>> >
>> >Phil S.
>> >
>> >"Harry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> >news:1ad8d01c41f0f$0cc7d5d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> Hi
>> >> Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
>> >> We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
>> >> another building some 300 yards away. there will be
a
>> >> requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked
to
>> the
>> >> network.
>> >> It may be possible to dig up the car park in
between to
>> >> lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard
>> Ethernet.
>> >> Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an
infra
>> >> red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using
some
>> >> fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte
>> fibre
>> >> NIC's.
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Harry
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

class
Thu Apr 15 06:51:02 CDT 2004

Fre

search for cantenna in google or a few $ from cantenna.com

kcczi
Fri May 07 07:32:01 CDT 2004

Hi,
I would use microwave tranceivers. The new microwave
technology has a decent amount of thru put.

Keith


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi
>Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
>We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
>another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
>requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to
the
>network.
>It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
>lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
>Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
>red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
>fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
>NIC's.
>Thanks
>Harry
>.
>

Jim
Fri May 07 16:23:44 CDT 2004

I have had a few accounts run fiber in the trench that you are running
your phone lines in.

"kcczi@bellsouth.net" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>I would use microwave tranceivers. The new microwave
>technology has a decent amount of thru put.
>
>Keith
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hi
>>Slightly OTT, so forgive me.
>>We are planning to move the warehouse functions to
>>another building ome 300 yards away. there will be a
>>requirement for some 10 PC's in there to be linked to
>the
>>network.
>>It may be possible to dig up the car park in between to
>>lay a cable, but it is a bit long for standard Ethernet.
>>Has anyone any suggestions? I though of maybe an infra
>>red transmitter and reciever on the roof or using some
>>fibre glass cable and getting a couple of gigabyte fibre
>>NIC's.
>>Thanks
>>Harry
>>.
>>

Jim B. SBS MVP
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