Re: backup email to a mail hosting company. by Joe
Joe
Tue Dec 21 13:21:43 CST 2004
Wow. That is very interesting. So mail goes to you normally, upon failure
it goes to the isp, exchange will download it when it is back up. I might
be able to combine that with a setting in exchange to backup all mail to
another server.. say an account with our isp. That way we would have both
historical and current mail to work with during down time. It seems to be a
bit of a hack, but I am going to give it some thought.
Thanks.
Joe
"othneal" <othneal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4DB538C5-18FF-4D26-BC41-5100749CD100@microsoft.com...
>I have an ISP with regular pop accounts. Then I have that ISP set my
> exchange server and the lowest cost MX record. Then I set up Exchange to
> check the POP accounts throught the POPO connector.
>
> If the server is down mail goes to the ISPs POP accounts, then when the
> server is back up it checks the POP accounts and no mail is lost.
>
> If there is an extended down time situation the ISPs WebMail solution is
> the
> back up option.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> "Joe Letter" wrote:
>
>> Well, so paying messageone might be worth it. But why should I if there
>> is
>> a better solution.
>>
>> We need a solution that works in three scenarios
>> 1) traveling (I suppose owa would work)
>> 2) minor outages (especially for those traveling and because of deadlines
>> we
>> deal with)
>> 3) major outages / disaster (fire, server toasted for 2 days)
>>
>> We have a very reliable setup, haven't had many even minor outages at
>> all.
>>
>> But I don't see why there can't be a simple service that can grap mail
>> and
>> send it two ways... Well I know there is actually but you have to take
>> mail
>> from domain a and forward it to domain b, domain c, etc. Having the
>> different domains is a problem. Can't the mail just be forwarded to two
>> IPs?
>>
>> There must be a way to have a live pop backup of exchange email!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:egVrRyU4EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > Joe Letter wrote:
>> >> The problem with the Message One solution is the cost and the
>> >> unneccesary complexity. Mostly the cost.
>> >
>> > How important is this to you? Things cost money <g>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> If I could find a way to route email to both our exchange server and
>> >> a copy to our mailhost we would have redundancy for simply the cost
>> >> of mail hosting.
>> >>
>> >> I guess another option would be to only have mail sent to our
>> >> mailhost. We could use exchange to download from the pop accounts.
>> >
>> > That isn't better at all in my view. POP connectors are not a good
>> > thing,
>> > and if the issue in general is that you have unreliable hardware on
>> > your
>> > server, won't help you at all.
>> >
>> >> However, exchange pop download doesn't have an option to leave a copy
>> >> on the server, I believe. So I would have to use a third party
>> >> product on top of exchange. That would work, I guess. I would just
>> >> like to get away from POP.
>> >
>> > Yes, indeed. Absolutely.
>> >>
>> >> There must be a solution along the lines I am looking... Any other
>> >> ideas being Message One isn't going to cut it?
>> >
>> > What exactly are you looking for? There are many levels of
>> > reduncancy/DR.
>> > For example, if you just have a slightly flaky Internet connection or
>> > want
>> > to make sure mail isn't lost during planned maintenance of your
>> > network/server, get someone else to act as backup for your domain's
>> > mail
>> > (specify their server as a secondary/tertiary etc MX record). MailHop
>> > BackupMX from www.dyndns.org will do this and is only about $20/yr.
>> > If you have unstable server or network hardware, fix that. Get better
>> > kit/patch/do what you need to.
>> > If you have an unreliable Internet connection, either get a new ISP or
>> > get
>> > another leased line/connection and a load-balancing router that can
>> > detect
>> > dead link and switch over automatically for failover.
>> > Do full nightly backups and store backup media offsite.
>> > Etc.
>> >
>> > Anything else (messageone, DR site, third party sync tools) will cost
>> > you
>> > a
>> > lot more. This, like anything else, depends entirely on a) what you
>> > want
>> > to
>> > prepare for/prevent and b) how much you want to spend. So it's back to:
>> > how
>> > important is this to your company? What would it cost them if they lost
>> > mail, and does that mean that a 1 hr outage is acceptable but a full
>> > day
>> > is
>> > not, etc etc etc?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Joe Letter.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> >> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> message news:uOHcQUZ3EHA.3380@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >>> Joe Letter wrote:
>> >>>> Does anyone know of a way I might be able to have my smtp
>> >>>> mail routed to 2 different mail locations?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is my scenario. I would like mail coming to our domain
>> >>>> to be sent to our ISP, as it currently is. This mail is
>> >>>> retrievable by webmail. I would also like a copy of all mail sent
>> >>>> to our exchange server. The exchange server would be what we use
>> >>>> for normal mail operations. However, if our exchange mail server
>> >>>> goes down, we would like to be able to revert to checking mail on
>> >>>> our ISP's webmail server, _and_ we would like that there would be a
>> >>>> history of all mail received even before our exchange server
>> >>>> crashed. You might be wondering why we might want such an
>> >>>> elaborate
>> >>>> fall back mechanism. Our business operates with many very time
>> >>>> sensitive deadlines. Much of these deadlines revolve around emails.
>> >>>> It would instill peace of mind to be able to know that if our
>> >>>> internal mail server was down for any slightly lengthy period (fire,
>> >>>> flood, hurricane), we would still have immediate access to all mail,
>> >>>> including mail we received in the weeks before the failure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Joe
>> >>>> /------- webmail / pop accounts (used only when
>> >>>> main server is down.)
>> >>>> email ------>
>> >>>> \----- exchange server (everyday use)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ps. I know exchange can be setup to forward emails to another
>> >>>> account. This solution alone is not good enough since when exchange
>> >>>> is down we will not be able to current receive external email.
>> >>>
>> >>> Instead of this circuitous route, might want to check out the service
>> >>> offered at www.messageone.com - no POP, but it sounds better to me.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>