Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)

Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
followed by McAffee.

--
Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
---------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.

Re: Worst AV Experiences by Stephen

Stephen
Tue May 25 16:54:38 CDT 2004

So if you find those two the worst, then why are they so popular?
I also have found them to allow more viruses thru than they should, but that
may be a configuration issue.
I guess Trend & Sophos are moving up in the popularity stakes, but I have
used eScan from www.mwti.net for over 2.5 years on all my client sites now -
not one single visrus, worm or trojan has got thru - it blocks executables!
Now how simple is that?

Stephen
Brisbane Australia


"Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
> wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
>
> Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
> install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
> followed by McAffee.
>
> --
> Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> ---------------------------------------
> MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.



Re: Worst AV Experiences by Dave

Dave
Tue May 25 17:23:42 CDT 2004

I'd never use a Norton product after some bad experiences in the early days
of win95. However, my Dad uses it successfully, and he clicks every pop-up
and runs every file he gets in the e-mail. The fact that his computer still
runs is a testament to either Norton AV or some exceptionally good luck
(probably both).

That said, I recently spent about 10 hours troubleshooting a user's XP Home
laptop for a problem that turned out to be Norton. (Computer froze solid
about 1-3 minutes after boot, except in safe mode). Unfortunately for me,
he had some minor Windows errors that misdirected me from the real problem,
which disappeared upon uninstalling Norton.


"Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
> wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
>
> Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
> install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
> followed by McAffee.
>
> --
> Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> ---------------------------------------
> MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.



Re: Worst AV Experiences by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Tue May 25 18:15:43 CDT 2004

which version Dave? I have a client at the moment whose performance seems to
be being heavily impacted by NIS 2004 (well, NAV actually, I've had to
disable the IS side of things).

In the past my dislike of NAV (since it became Symantec NAV, previous to
that it was fine) has been slight, Jan whom I work with hates it with a
vengence.

I got so fed up with Innoculan from both a performance and a support angle
that I simply no longer consider CA products. One of their Sydney offices is
a 'stone's throw' from my home, I've been tempted.

--
I'd rather be happy than right anyway.
Slartibartfast.
"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:%23FBcwbqQEHA.2644@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I'd never use a Norton product after some bad experiences in the early
days
> of win95. However, my Dad uses it successfully, and he clicks every
pop-up
> and runs every file he gets in the e-mail. The fact that his computer
still
> runs is a testament to either Norton AV or some exceptionally good luck
> (probably both).
>
> That said, I recently spent about 10 hours troubleshooting a user's XP
Home
> laptop for a problem that turned out to be Norton. (Computer froze solid
> about 1-3 minutes after boot, except in safe mode). Unfortunately for me,
> he had some minor Windows errors that misdirected me from the real
problem,
> which disappeared upon uninstalling Norton.
>
>
> "Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
> > Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
> > wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
> >
> > Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
> > install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
> > followed by McAffee.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> > ---------------------------------------
> > MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
>
>



Re: Worst AV Experiences by Mark

Mark
Tue May 25 20:10:12 CDT 2004

I think I can speak for all AV in the fact that the installation steps are
virtually non-existant or written by morons. NAV is easy...until you get to
the license key. Might as well through the book out the window, it's
useless.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
> wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
>
> Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
> install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
> followed by McAffee.
>
> --
> Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> ---------------------------------------
> MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.



Re: Worst AV Experiences by IBC

IBC
Wed May 26 09:57:47 CDT 2004

I've found the management console in Symantec AV CE to be buggy. Tends to
corrupt itself over time. I'm happiest with my AV when I forget its even
there. Norton USED to have a good interface, now its just average. Mcaffee
is probably the lowest on my list.


"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:u$6I14rQEHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I think I can speak for all AV in the fact that the installation steps are
> virtually non-existant or written by morons. NAV is easy...until you get
to
> the license key. Might as well through the book out the window, it's
> useless.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
> > Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
> > wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
> >
> > Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
> > install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
> > followed by McAffee.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> > ---------------------------------------
> > MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
>
>



Re: Worst AV Experiences by Dave

Dave
Wed May 26 11:05:39 CDT 2004

This was NIS too. The computer would boot normally, but within anywhere
from 30 seconds to 3 minutes, it would stop responding. I think numlock and
capslock would work and the mouse would move (can't remember for sure), but
no menus would come up, programs wouldn't run, etc. After quite a few hours
of fixing what turned out to be an unrelated problem, I started disabling
3rd party services one at a time, and sure enough it was Norton.

I wouldn't argue with you about CA, except to say that they are much better
now than they were a couple of years ago or before. I buy etrust AV
licenses for under $25 each - in addition to running it on all the computers
in the office, I install it for anyone who accesses the LAN over VPN, just
so that I know they have AV software running and updating itself regularly.


"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:%23QAwK5qQEHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> which version Dave? I have a client at the moment whose performance seems
> to
> be being heavily impacted by NIS 2004 (well, NAV actually, I've had to
> disable the IS side of things).
>
> In the past my dislike of NAV (since it became Symantec NAV, previous to
> that it was fine) has been slight, Jan whom I work with hates it with a
> vengence.
>
> I got so fed up with Innoculan from both a performance and a support angle
> that I simply no longer consider CA products. One of their Sydney offices
> is
> a 'stone's throw' from my home, I've been tempted.
>
> --
> I'd rather be happy than right anyway.
> Slartibartfast.
> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
> message
> news:%23FBcwbqQEHA.2644@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> I'd never use a Norton product after some bad experiences in the early
> days
>> of win95. However, my Dad uses it successfully, and he clicks every
> pop-up
>> and runs every file he gets in the e-mail. The fact that his computer
> still
>> runs is a testament to either Norton AV or some exceptionally good luck
>> (probably both).
>>
>> That said, I recently spent about 10 hours troubleshooting a user's XP
> Home
>> laptop for a problem that turned out to be Norton. (Computer froze solid
>> about 1-3 minutes after boot, except in safe mode). Unfortunately for
>> me,
>> he had some minor Windows errors that misdirected me from the real
> problem,
>> which disappeared upon uninstalling Norton.
>>
>>
>> "Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
>> > Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
>> > wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
>> >
>> > Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
>> > install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
>> > followed by McAffee.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
>> > ---------------------------------------
>> > MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Worst AV Experiences by spam?

spam?
Thu May 27 09:20:23 CDT 2004

eTrust has treated my four most demanding customers very well. 99% of any
virus problems I've seen in the last three years on these systems have been
100% related to user issues not software issues.

P.S. If not for Ghost - I wouldn't touch ANY of the Symantec solutions. Too
invasive, too problematic.

db


"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:unULLtzQEHA.3016@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> This was NIS too. The computer would boot normally, but within anywhere
> from 30 seconds to 3 minutes, it would stop responding. I think numlock
and
> capslock would work and the mouse would move (can't remember for sure),
but
> no menus would come up, programs wouldn't run, etc. After quite a few
hours
> of fixing what turned out to be an unrelated problem, I started disabling
> 3rd party services one at a time, and sure enough it was Norton.
>
> I wouldn't argue with you about CA, except to say that they are much
better
> now than they were a couple of years ago or before. I buy etrust AV
> licenses for under $25 each - in addition to running it on all the
computers
> in the office, I install it for anyone who accesses the LAN over VPN, just
> so that I know they have AV software running and updating itself
regularly.
>
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:%23QAwK5qQEHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > which version Dave? I have a client at the moment whose performance
seems
> > to
> > be being heavily impacted by NIS 2004 (well, NAV actually, I've had to
> > disable the IS side of things).
> >
> > In the past my dislike of NAV (since it became Symantec NAV, previous to
> > that it was fine) has been slight, Jan whom I work with hates it with a
> > vengence.
> >
> > I got so fed up with Innoculan from both a performance and a support
angle
> > that I simply no longer consider CA products. One of their Sydney
offices
> > is
> > a 'stone's throw' from my home, I've been tempted.
> >
> > --
> > I'd rather be happy than right anyway.
> > Slartibartfast.
> > "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
> > message
> > news:%23FBcwbqQEHA.2644@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> I'd never use a Norton product after some bad experiences in the early
> > days
> >> of win95. However, my Dad uses it successfully, and he clicks every
> > pop-up
> >> and runs every file he gets in the e-mail. The fact that his computer
> > still
> >> runs is a testament to either Norton AV or some exceptionally good luck
> >> (probably both).
> >>
> >> That said, I recently spent about 10 hours troubleshooting a user's XP
> > Home
> >> laptop for a problem that turned out to be Norton. (Computer froze
solid
> >> about 1-3 minutes after boot, except in safe mode). Unfortunately for
> >> me,
> >> he had some minor Windows errors that misdirected me from the real
> > problem,
> >> which disappeared upon uninstalling Norton.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
> >> > Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
> >> > wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
> >> >
> >> > Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
> >> > install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
> >> > followed by McAffee.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> >> > ---------------------------------------
> >> > MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Worst AV Experiences by Tim

Tim
Fri May 28 06:13:38 CDT 2004

I gave up on mcaffee years ago when the virus files would fail to update
'cos the server wouldn't respond.

What do people thing of AVG?

Amazing tho. In years of computing, never 1 virus and most of the time I do
not run AV as they all seem to impact performance heavily. ISA is set to
delete all files by certain extension types and that gets well over 98% or
them. The remainder are so obvious that they get binned, so role on next ISA
and Exchange 2003.

- Tim


"IBC" <spamityspam@spam.spam> wrote in message
news:%23Ir%23THzQEHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I've found the management console in Symantec AV CE to be buggy. Tends to
> corrupt itself over time. I'm happiest with my AV when I forget its even
> there. Norton USED to have a good interface, now its just average. Mcaffee
> is probably the lowest on my list.
>
>
> "Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
> news:u$6I14rQEHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> I think I can speak for all AV in the fact that the installation steps
>> are
>> virtually non-existant or written by morons. NAV is easy...until you get
> to
>> the license key. Might as well through the book out the window, it's
>> useless.
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
>> www.MCSE2000.com
>> www.AppLauncher.com
>>
>>
>>
>> "Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:xn0dipd1wmqag000@msnews.microsoft.com...
>> > Given that there's no consensus on "the best" AV solution for SBS, I
>> > wonder if there's any chance of one on "the worst"... :)
>> >
>> > Personally, I find Norton to be the pits (heck, it won't let you
>> > install/uninstall it from safe mode, for goodness' sake), closely
>> > followed by McAffee.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
>> > ---------------------------------------
>> > MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
>>
>>
>
>