I have initially created a Windows 2003 Enterprise AD network - 2 DC and 2
Enterprise FS

I realized this was an overkill so what I want to do is go to SBS 2003
Domain - 2003 AD


Question:
----------
Can I join an SBS 2003 server into my current Windows 2003 Ent based domain?
<-- THIS is the MAIN question

I am wanting to copy my users and computers into the SBS 2003 and take
advantage of the 'budled' softwares - Exchange 2003 and SPS 2003.


Please do not discuss the "better" or "cheaper" etc option - I would simply
like to know if you can to transfer objects over.

Thank you.

Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Michael

Michael
Wed Sep 15 05:32:52 CDT 2004

Hello Seay,

Sbs needs to be the root of the forest hence top level domain
controller. It can not join another domain. An SBS network can have many
domain controllers but they are all in the same domain (Again with SBS
being the root). SBS can not form trusts.

There are a number of things you could do.

One item I have done a few times (Just to get the data etc over)

Turn off DHCP on the SBS server, make sure it has an IP valid on the
existing network, make an acocunt with the same username/password on
both networks as administrators, link network drives to any data needed,
dump accross any data, extract out user account info with any of the vbs
tools out there then break all links with the current domain and build
the SBS box as it's own network with the view to never join to the old
network (it now serves as a backup of your data until your first good
backup). Turn on DHCP again.

The vbs scripts can migrate all user data out as a CSV file and then
import again with other vbs scripts. (if all you need is the user
acocunts you go forgo all this and do it to a usb key or floppy disk).

I am not aware of any way to dirrectly connect the AD's and migrate the
data over. SBS cannot act as a bridgehead in this way.

There will be other ways. I know my way (which might be allot of work
compared to another way). There will be more advice from others so hang
in there and someone who might know more than my expeariance might reply
to you !

Seay wrote:

> I have initially created a Windows 2003 Enterprise AD network - 2 DC and 2
> Enterprise FS
>
> I realized this was an overkill so what I want to do is go to SBS 2003
> Domain - 2003 AD
>
>
> Question:
> ----------
> Can I join an SBS 2003 server into my current Windows 2003 Ent based domain?
> <-- THIS is the MAIN question
>
> I am wanting to copy my users and computers into the SBS 2003 and take
> advantage of the 'budled' softwares - Exchange 2003 and SPS 2003.
>
>
> Please do not discuss the "better" or "cheaper" etc option - I would simply
> like to know if you can to transfer objects over.
>
> Thank you.
>
>

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, Senior Systems Engineer , Millennium
Business Solutions
Microsoft Most Valued Professional, Microsoft's Windows Server Systems -
Small Business Server
MVP's do not work for Microsoft. If this email was generated in a
newsgroup, please reply only to the newsgroup.
Note: The contents of my postings and responses here represent my
personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, thoughts or
feelings of Microsoft or any of its employees.
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com



Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Javier

Javier
Wed Sep 15 06:47:34 CDT 2004

With SBS2k3 you can just install the OS portion (first part of the
installation) and join it to the existing domain. You would have to DCPromo
manually and transfer all FSMO roles and then continue with the integrated
setup. If you are just starting... I suggest you start over, this looks much
more simple than what it really is.

BTW-> SBS does not have SharePoint Portal Server (SPS), it has Windows
SharePoint Services (WSS). Two differente beasts :-)

BTW2-> The NG for SBS2k3 is microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]" <michael.jenkin@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ufMtsswmEHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hello Seay,
>
> Sbs needs to be the root of the forest hence top level domain
> controller. It can not join another domain. An SBS network can have many
> domain controllers but they are all in the same domain (Again with SBS
> being the root). SBS can not form trusts.
>
> There are a number of things you could do.
>
> One item I have done a few times (Just to get the data etc over)
>
> Turn off DHCP on the SBS server, make sure it has an IP valid on the
> existing network, make an acocunt with the same username/password on
> both networks as administrators, link network drives to any data needed,
> dump accross any data, extract out user account info with any of the vbs
> tools out there then break all links with the current domain and build
> the SBS box as it's own network with the view to never join to the old
> network (it now serves as a backup of your data until your first good
> backup). Turn on DHCP again.
>
> The vbs scripts can migrate all user data out as a CSV file and then
> import again with other vbs scripts. (if all you need is the user
> acocunts you go forgo all this and do it to a usb key or floppy disk).
>
> I am not aware of any way to dirrectly connect the AD's and migrate the
> data over. SBS cannot act as a bridgehead in this way.
>
> There will be other ways. I know my way (which might be allot of work
> compared to another way). There will be more advice from others so hang
> in there and someone who might know more than my expeariance might reply
> to you !
>
> Seay wrote:
>
>> I have initially created a Windows 2003 Enterprise AD network - 2 DC and
>> 2
>> Enterprise FS
>>
>> I realized this was an overkill so what I want to do is go to SBS 2003
>> Domain - 2003 AD
>>
>>
>> Question:
>> ----------
>> Can I join an SBS 2003 server into my current Windows 2003 Ent based
>> domain?
>> <-- THIS is the MAIN question
>>
>> I am wanting to copy my users and computers into the SBS 2003 and take
>> advantage of the 'budled' softwares - Exchange 2003 and SPS 2003.
>>
>>
>> Please do not discuss the "better" or "cheaper" etc option - I would
>> simply
>> like to know if you can to transfer objects over.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, Senior Systems Engineer , Millennium
> Business Solutions
> Microsoft Most Valued Professional, Microsoft's Windows Server Systems -
> Small Business Server
> MVP's do not work for Microsoft. If this email was generated in a
> newsgroup, please reply only to the newsgroup.
> Note: The contents of my postings and responses here represent my
> personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, thoughts or
> feelings of Microsoft or any of its employees.
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
>



Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Seay

Seay
Wed Sep 15 18:25:06 CDT 2004

Thx Javier...to confirm with you...what you are saying is install SBS 2003
as a normal server and join to domain...then DCPROMO it in the new domain to
function as a DC in the existing domain and transfer roles?
So it really functions as "normal" server that can be DCPROMO as "normal:
standard W2K3 server! WOW if thats correct.




"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:O$zLOnxmEHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> With SBS2k3 you can just install the OS portion (first part of the
> installation) and join it to the existing domain. You would have to
> DCPromo manually and transfer all FSMO roles and then continue with the
> integrated setup. If you are just starting... I suggest you start over,
> this looks much more simple than what it really is.
>
> BTW-> SBS does not have SharePoint Portal Server (SPS), it has Windows
> SharePoint Services (WSS). Two differente beasts :-)
>
> BTW2-> The NG for SBS2k3 is microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]" <michael.jenkin@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ufMtsswmEHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Hello Seay,
>>
>> Sbs needs to be the root of the forest hence top level domain
>> controller. It can not join another domain. An SBS network can have many
>> domain controllers but they are all in the same domain (Again with SBS
>> being the root). SBS can not form trusts.
>>
>> There are a number of things you could do.
>>
>> One item I have done a few times (Just to get the data etc over)
>>
>> Turn off DHCP on the SBS server, make sure it has an IP valid on the
>> existing network, make an acocunt with the same username/password on
>> both networks as administrators, link network drives to any data needed,
>> dump accross any data, extract out user account info with any of the vbs
>> tools out there then break all links with the current domain and build
>> the SBS box as it's own network with the view to never join to the old
>> network (it now serves as a backup of your data until your first good
>> backup). Turn on DHCP again.
>>
>> The vbs scripts can migrate all user data out as a CSV file and then
>> import again with other vbs scripts. (if all you need is the user
>> acocunts you go forgo all this and do it to a usb key or floppy disk).
>>
>> I am not aware of any way to dirrectly connect the AD's and migrate the
>> data over. SBS cannot act as a bridgehead in this way.
>>
>> There will be other ways. I know my way (which might be allot of work
>> compared to another way). There will be more advice from others so hang
>> in there and someone who might know more than my expeariance might reply
>> to you !
>>
>> Seay wrote:
>>
>>> I have initially created a Windows 2003 Enterprise AD network - 2 DC and
>>> 2
>>> Enterprise FS
>>>
>>> I realized this was an overkill so what I want to do is go to SBS 2003
>>> Domain - 2003 AD
>>>
>>>
>>> Question:
>>> ----------
>>> Can I join an SBS 2003 server into my current Windows 2003 Ent based
>>> domain?
>>> <-- THIS is the MAIN question
>>>
>>> I am wanting to copy my users and computers into the SBS 2003 and take
>>> advantage of the 'budled' softwares - Exchange 2003 and SPS 2003.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not discuss the "better" or "cheaper" etc option - I would
>>> simply
>>> like to know if you can to transfer objects over.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, Senior Systems Engineer , Millennium
>> Business Solutions
>> Microsoft Most Valued Professional, Microsoft's Windows Server Systems -
>> Small Business Server
>> MVP's do not work for Microsoft. If this email was generated in a
>> newsgroup, please reply only to the newsgroup.
>> Note: The contents of my postings and responses here represent my
>> personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, thoughts or
>> feelings of Microsoft or any of its employees.
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Javier

Javier
Wed Sep 15 21:27:53 CDT 2004

You are correct. However, I didn't mention that you have 7 days to complete
this... if at that time the SBS install is not finished you will start
getting warnings and eventually the server will shutdown within the hour.
So, it is imperative that you dcpromo it, transfer all fsmo roles and
continue the integrated setup.

Cheers,

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Seay" <seay@mail.com> wrote in message
news:eVr13s3mEHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thx Javier...to confirm with you...what you are saying is install SBS 2003
> as a normal server and join to domain...then DCPROMO it in the new domain
> to function as a DC in the existing domain and transfer roles?
> So it really functions as "normal" server that can be DCPROMO as "normal:
> standard W2K3 server! WOW if thats correct.
>
>
>
>
> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
> message news:O$zLOnxmEHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> With SBS2k3 you can just install the OS portion (first part of the
>> installation) and join it to the existing domain. You would have to
>> DCPromo manually and transfer all FSMO roles and then continue with the
>> integrated setup. If you are just starting... I suggest you start over,
>> this looks much more simple than what it really is.
>>
>> BTW-> SBS does not have SharePoint Portal Server (SPS), it has Windows
>> SharePoint Services (WSS). Two differente beasts :-)
>>
>> BTW2-> The NG for SBS2k3 is microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>>
>> --
>> Javier [SBS MVP]
>>
>> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>>
>> "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]" <michael.jenkin@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:ufMtsswmEHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>> Hello Seay,
>>>
>>> Sbs needs to be the root of the forest hence top level domain
>>> controller. It can not join another domain. An SBS network can have many
>>> domain controllers but they are all in the same domain (Again with SBS
>>> being the root). SBS can not form trusts.
>>>
>>> There are a number of things you could do.
>>>
>>> One item I have done a few times (Just to get the data etc over)
>>>
>>> Turn off DHCP on the SBS server, make sure it has an IP valid on the
>>> existing network, make an acocunt with the same username/password on
>>> both networks as administrators, link network drives to any data needed,
>>> dump accross any data, extract out user account info with any of the vbs
>>> tools out there then break all links with the current domain and build
>>> the SBS box as it's own network with the view to never join to the old
>>> network (it now serves as a backup of your data until your first good
>>> backup). Turn on DHCP again.
>>>
>>> The vbs scripts can migrate all user data out as a CSV file and then
>>> import again with other vbs scripts. (if all you need is the user
>>> acocunts you go forgo all this and do it to a usb key or floppy disk).
>>>
>>> I am not aware of any way to dirrectly connect the AD's and migrate the
>>> data over. SBS cannot act as a bridgehead in this way.
>>>
>>> There will be other ways. I know my way (which might be allot of work
>>> compared to another way). There will be more advice from others so hang
>>> in there and someone who might know more than my expeariance might reply
>>> to you !
>>>
>>> Seay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have initially created a Windows 2003 Enterprise AD network - 2 DC
>>>> and 2
>>>> Enterprise FS
>>>>
>>>> I realized this was an overkill so what I want to do is go to SBS 2003
>>>> Domain - 2003 AD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Question:
>>>> ----------
>>>> Can I join an SBS 2003 server into my current Windows 2003 Ent based
>>>> domain?
>>>> <-- THIS is the MAIN question
>>>>
>>>> I am wanting to copy my users and computers into the SBS 2003 and take
>>>> advantage of the 'budled' softwares - Exchange 2003 and SPS 2003.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do not discuss the "better" or "cheaper" etc option - I would
>>>> simply
>>>> like to know if you can to transfer objects over.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, Senior Systems Engineer , Millennium
>>> Business Solutions
>>> Microsoft Most Valued Professional, Microsoft's Windows Server Systems -
>>> Small Business Server
>>> MVP's do not work for Microsoft. If this email was generated in a
>>> newsgroup, please reply only to the newsgroup.
>>> Note: The contents of my postings and responses here represent my
>>> personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, thoughts or
>>> feelings of Microsoft or any of its employees.
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Seay

Seay
Thu Sep 16 00:10:26 CDT 2004

Just curious, can I during this period ALSO move my mailbox from Exchange
2003 Ent (Exchange in the domain I want to move FROM) into the Exchange 2003
SBS Edition (destination domain - SBS domain of course) - while I have this
coexistence - Again, I have licensing issues I need to comply with and we
are below 50 users.


BTW, do you have your own site for these kind of info - very good info you
have!


"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:%23mypJT5mEHA.3100@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> You are correct. However, I didn't mention that you have 7 days to
> complete this... if at that time the SBS install is not finished you will
> start getting warnings and eventually the server will shutdown within the
> hour. So, it is imperative that you dcpromo it, transfer all fsmo roles
> and continue the integrated setup.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Seay" <seay@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:eVr13s3mEHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Thx Javier...to confirm with you...what you are saying is install SBS
>> 2003 as a normal server and join to domain...then DCPROMO it in the new
>> domain to function as a DC in the existing domain and transfer roles?
>> So it really functions as "normal" server that can be DCPROMO as "normal:
>> standard W2K3 server! WOW if thats correct.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
>> message news:O$zLOnxmEHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> With SBS2k3 you can just install the OS portion (first part of the
>>> installation) and join it to the existing domain. You would have to
>>> DCPromo manually and transfer all FSMO roles and then continue with the
>>> integrated setup. If you are just starting... I suggest you start over,
>>> this looks much more simple than what it really is.
>>>
>>> BTW-> SBS does not have SharePoint Portal Server (SPS), it has Windows
>>> SharePoint Services (WSS). Two differente beasts :-)
>>>
>>> BTW2-> The NG for SBS2k3 is microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>>>
>>> --
>>> Javier [SBS MVP]
>>>
>>> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>>>
>>> "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]" <michael.jenkin@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:ufMtsswmEHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hello Seay,
>>>>
>>>> Sbs needs to be the root of the forest hence top level domain
>>>> controller. It can not join another domain. An SBS network can have
>>>> many
>>>> domain controllers but they are all in the same domain (Again with SBS
>>>> being the root). SBS can not form trusts.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of things you could do.
>>>>
>>>> One item I have done a few times (Just to get the data etc over)
>>>>
>>>> Turn off DHCP on the SBS server, make sure it has an IP valid on the
>>>> existing network, make an acocunt with the same username/password on
>>>> both networks as administrators, link network drives to any data
>>>> needed,
>>>> dump accross any data, extract out user account info with any of the
>>>> vbs
>>>> tools out there then break all links with the current domain and build
>>>> the SBS box as it's own network with the view to never join to the old
>>>> network (it now serves as a backup of your data until your first good
>>>> backup). Turn on DHCP again.
>>>>
>>>> The vbs scripts can migrate all user data out as a CSV file and then
>>>> import again with other vbs scripts. (if all you need is the user
>>>> acocunts you go forgo all this and do it to a usb key or floppy disk).
>>>>
>>>> I am not aware of any way to dirrectly connect the AD's and migrate the
>>>> data over. SBS cannot act as a bridgehead in this way.
>>>>
>>>> There will be other ways. I know my way (which might be allot of work
>>>> compared to another way). There will be more advice from others so hang
>>>> in there and someone who might know more than my expeariance might
>>>> reply
>>>> to you !
>>>>
>>>> Seay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have initially created a Windows 2003 Enterprise AD network - 2 DC
>>>>> and 2
>>>>> Enterprise FS
>>>>>
>>>>> I realized this was an overkill so what I want to do is go to SBS 2003
>>>>> Domain - 2003 AD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Question:
>>>>> ----------
>>>>> Can I join an SBS 2003 server into my current Windows 2003 Ent based
>>>>> domain?
>>>>> <-- THIS is the MAIN question
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wanting to copy my users and computers into the SBS 2003 and take
>>>>> advantage of the 'budled' softwares - Exchange 2003 and SPS 2003.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not discuss the "better" or "cheaper" etc option - I would
>>>>> simply
>>>>> like to know if you can to transfer objects over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, Senior Systems Engineer , Millennium
>>>> Business Solutions
>>>> Microsoft Most Valued Professional, Microsoft's Windows Server
>>>> Systems -
>>>> Small Business Server
>>>> MVP's do not work for Microsoft. If this email was generated in a
>>>> newsgroup, please reply only to the newsgroup.
>>>> Note: The contents of my postings and responses here represent my
>>>> personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, thoughts or
>>>> feelings of Microsoft or any of its employees.
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Michael

Michael
Thu Sep 16 07:42:57 CDT 2004

Thanks Javier,

Like I said, someone else will have the alternatives and they are better
!

Javier Gomez [SBS MVP] wrote:

> You are correct. However, I didn't mention that you have 7 days to complete
> this... if at that time the SBS install is not finished you will start
> getting warnings and eventually the server will shutdown within the hour.
> So, it is imperative that you dcpromo it, transfer all fsmo roles and
> continue the integrated setup.
>
> Cheers,
>
>

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, Senior Systems Engineer , Millennium
Business Solutions
Microsoft Most Valued Professional, Microsoft's Windows Server Systems -
Small Business Server
MVP's do not work for Microsoft. If this email was generated in a
newsgroup, please reply only to the newsgroup.
Note: The contents of my postings and responses here represent my
personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, thoughts or
feelings of Microsoft or any of its employees.
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com



Re: Windows 2003 Enterprise and SBS 2003 Domain Coexistence by Javier

Javier
Thu Sep 16 09:53:56 CDT 2004

> Just curious, can I during this period ALSO move my mailbox from Exchange
> 2003 Ent (Exchange in the domain I want to move FROM) into the Exchange
> 2003 SBS Edition (destination domain - SBS domain of course) - while I
> have this coexistence - Again, I have licensing issues I need to comply
> with and we are below 50 users.

I don't have experience in this particular type of migration... but I think
it is possible. The good thing about adding the SBS to the existing domain
is that you can take the SBS box away and you will have the original network
to fall back (if anything goes wrong). Worse case scenario... you can just
use Exmerge and delete all references in AD to Exchange and use Exmerge
again to import back the mailboxes once SBS is solid.

> BTW, do you have your own site for these kind of info - very good info you
> have!

Thanks! I don't have my own site (although I have been considering starting
a blog). However, there are many SBS sites that have great info:
www.smallbizserver.net www.sbslinks.com www.sbs-rocks.com www.sbsfaq.com and
the blogs by my fellow SBS MVPs (Chad, Susan, Kevin and now... Wayne):
www.msmvps.com..

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS!!! >>