We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.

The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push us
over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the upgrade
options available.

I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but drawn a
couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.

1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and I
am going to have to move to server plus exchange.

2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my understanding
was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has now
been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless exercise
as our clients will be too big for this.

The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software assurance
so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.

What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?

Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration pack
that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???


Many Thanks

David

Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Mark

Mark
Thu May 20 21:31:45 CDT 2004

somthing to consider....16GB IS carries over so you may want to look at 2
Exchange servers or Enterprise. Give a call to Dell, they have MS licensing
people there and their prices are about the cheapest.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
>
> The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push us
> over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the upgrade
> options available.
>
> I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but drawn
a
> couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
>
> 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and I
> am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
>
> 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my understanding
> was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has
now
> been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
> seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
exercise
> as our clients will be too big for this.
>
> The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
assurance
> so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
>
> What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
>
> Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration pack
> that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
>
>
> Many Thanks
>
> David
>
>
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Jeff

Jeff
Fri May 21 09:17:46 CDT 2004

The cheapest option depends on your current hardware.

If you plan on keeping your existing hardware then volume license Exchange
2003 and run it on Windows 2000. But then it depends on the features you
need from SBS.

If you plan on buying new hardware then I would suggest you plan to buy oem
versions. By the way you can get SA for OEM software.

I have nothing against Dell but they do want to sell hardware and may not
make the other options available unless you ask. Personally, I would look at
someone who is more specialized.

Feel free to contact me if you want more informaiton or assistance
determining the best route.

Regards,

Jeff Loucks
Available Technology ®
Solutions For Professionals ®
www.availabletechnology.com




"David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
>
> The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push us
> over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the upgrade
> options available.
>
> I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but drawn
a
> couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
>
> 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and I
> am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
>
> 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my understanding
> was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has
now
> been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
> seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
exercise
> as our clients will be too big for this.
>
> The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
assurance
> so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
>
> What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
>
> Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration pack
> that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
>
>
> Many Thanks
>
> David
>
>
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by John

John
Fri May 21 17:53:33 CDT 2004

There is no cheap option, you have out grown SBS. You will have to purchase
new Windows 2003 CALS and Exchange 2003 CALS. There is no discount for
upgrading to these from SBS CALS. Any way you look at it this, you have out
grown your SBS limit and need to purchase each product separate with their
associated CAL's. Buying from Dell with the OEM versions of both will be
cheaper and then I would suggest purchasing Software Assurance within 90
days for Windows 2003 Server, CAL's, Exchange 2003 and CAL's.

As for migration of your Exchange data, I would simply copy your mdbdata
folder offline then copy these to your new Exchange 2003 install after you
have ran the Migration Pack. There is a little more involved with this but
this would accomplish your goal.

--
John Oliver, Jr.
MCSE, MCT, CCNA, Exchange MVP
Microsoft Certified Partner
"David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
>
> The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push us
> over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the upgrade
> options available.
>
> I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but drawn
a
> couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
>
> 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and I
> am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
>
> 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my understanding
> was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has
now
> been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
> seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
exercise
> as our clients will be too big for this.
>
> The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
assurance
> so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
>
> What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
>
> Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration pack
> that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
>
>
> Many Thanks
>
> David
>
>
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Mark

Mark
Fri May 21 21:35:53 CDT 2004

Jeff, don't know what you are talking about, Dell sells open licenses w/out
hardware....no need to go anywhere else and they are VERY competitive. You
should look into it.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
message news:OjqKg5zPEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The cheapest option depends on your current hardware.
>
> If you plan on keeping your existing hardware then volume license Exchange
> 2003 and run it on Windows 2000. But then it depends on the features you
> need from SBS.
>
> If you plan on buying new hardware then I would suggest you plan to buy
oem
> versions. By the way you can get SA for OEM software.
>
> I have nothing against Dell but they do want to sell hardware and may not
> make the other options available unless you ask. Personally, I would look
at
> someone who is more specialized.
>
> Feel free to contact me if you want more informaiton or assistance
> determining the best route.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Loucks
> Available Technology ®
> Solutions For Professionals ®
> www.availabletechnology.com
>
>
>
>
> "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> >
> > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push
us
> > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
upgrade
> > options available.
> >
> > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but
drawn
> a
> > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> >
> > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and
I
> > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> >
> > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
understanding
> > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has
> now
> > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
> > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
> exercise
> > as our clients will be too big for this.
> >
> > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> assurance
> > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> >
> > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> >
> > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration
pack
> > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> >
> >
> > Many Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Pat

Pat
Sat May 22 07:59:38 CDT 2004

The cheapest option for upgrade? ...Linux?

That would be an interesting analysis. I sure you save in software costs
but may make up for that (perhaps more so) in the labor required to move it
all over. But I do have a couple of (Linux) friends who insist they can do
everything I do in SBS, but for less. So as absurd as this suggestion may
be, it might be worth looking into (briefly).

hth, -Pat


"David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
>
> The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push us
> over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the upgrade
> options available.
>
> I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but drawn
a
> couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
>
> 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and I
> am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
>
> 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my understanding
> was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has
now
> been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
> seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
exercise
> as our clients will be too big for this.
>
> The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
assurance
> so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
>
> What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
>
> Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration pack
> that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
>
>
> Many Thanks
>
> David
>
>
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Jeff

Jeff
Sat May 22 10:37:51 CDT 2004

I deal with Dell every day. They are not specialists in software. That is my
only point. If you are looking at ways to get only what you need an minimise
cost Dell will not be able to provide good advice on that.

I am quite glad that you pray at the alter of Dell. Personally, I think they
are fine but you will get better advice about software from a company that
specializes.




"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:O$uDCW6PEHA.3216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Jeff, don't know what you are talking about, Dell sells open licenses
w/out
> hardware....no need to go anywhere else and they are VERY competitive.
You
> should look into it.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
> message news:OjqKg5zPEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > The cheapest option depends on your current hardware.
> >
> > If you plan on keeping your existing hardware then volume license
Exchange
> > 2003 and run it on Windows 2000. But then it depends on the features you
> > need from SBS.
> >
> > If you plan on buying new hardware then I would suggest you plan to buy
> oem
> > versions. By the way you can get SA for OEM software.
> >
> > I have nothing against Dell but they do want to sell hardware and may
not
> > make the other options available unless you ask. Personally, I would
look
> at
> > someone who is more specialized.
> >
> > Feel free to contact me if you want more informaiton or assistance
> > determining the best route.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jeff Loucks
> > Available Technology ®
> > Solutions For Professionals ®
> > www.availabletechnology.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> > >
> > > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push
> us
> > > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
> upgrade
> > > options available.
> > >
> > > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but
> drawn
> > a
> > > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> > >
> > > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option
and
> I
> > > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> > >
> > > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
> understanding
> > > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this
has
> > now
> > > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server
2003
> > > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
> > exercise
> > > as our clients will be too big for this.
> > >
> > > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> > assurance
> > > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> > >
> > > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> > >
> > > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration
> pack
> > > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> > >
> > >
> > > Many Thanks
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Jeff

Jeff
Sat May 22 10:45:28 CDT 2004

Linux,

You have made a good point. Cost is not only about software if you look at
it from a TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) perspective. There have been studies
on this and long term Microsoft comes out ahead by a long shot. If you
factor in the flexibility to port in other apps, MS is the hands down
winner.

I actually developed a lot of linux skills and still have not found one
instance where I could recommend Linux to someone who runs a business. It is
just too short sighted.

Regards,
Jeff Loucks
Available Technology ®
Solutions For Professionals ®
www.availabletechnology.com



"Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
news:OMttly$PEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> The cheapest option for upgrade? ...Linux?
>
> That would be an interesting analysis. I sure you save in software costs
> but may make up for that (perhaps more so) in the labor required to move
it
> all over. But I do have a couple of (Linux) friends who insist they can
do
> everything I do in SBS, but for less. So as absurd as this suggestion may
> be, it might be worth looking into (briefly).
>
> hth, -Pat
>
>
> "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> >
> > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push
us
> > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
upgrade
> > options available.
> >
> > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but
drawn
> a
> > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> >
> > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option and
I
> > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> >
> > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
understanding
> > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this has
> now
> > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server 2003
> > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
> exercise
> > as our clients will be too big for this.
> >
> > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> assurance
> > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> >
> > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> >
> > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration
pack
> > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> >
> >
> > Many Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Pat

Pat
Sat May 22 11:24:49 CDT 2004

I'm sure a lot of this will change in the next few years (especially if
Linux maintains its momentum). So it's probably worth re-evaluating
periodically.

I personally like MS software, but wouldn't mind seeing Linux become a very
viable alternative - mainly to keep MS more "honest" to their customers and
their prices in line. The whole Software Assurance thing, in particular,
really soured me. It was the first time I've actually felt trapped by using
MS software (with no reasonable recourse).

- Pat


"Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
message news:eTGXNPBQEHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Linux,
>
> You have made a good point. Cost is not only about software if you look at
> it from a TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) perspective. There have been
studies
> on this and long term Microsoft comes out ahead by a long shot. If you
> factor in the flexibility to port in other apps, MS is the hands down
> winner.
>
> I actually developed a lot of linux skills and still have not found one
> instance where I could recommend Linux to someone who runs a business. It
is
> just too short sighted.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Loucks
> Available Technology ®
> Solutions For Professionals ®
> www.availabletechnology.com
>
>
>
> "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> news:OMttly$PEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > The cheapest option for upgrade? ...Linux?
> >
> > That would be an interesting analysis. I sure you save in software
costs
> > but may make up for that (perhaps more so) in the labor required to move
> it
> > all over. But I do have a couple of (Linux) friends who insist they can
> do
> > everything I do in SBS, but for less. So as absurd as this suggestion
may
> > be, it might be worth looking into (briefly).
> >
> > hth, -Pat
> >
> >
> > "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> > >
> > > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will push
> us
> > > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
> upgrade
> > > options available.
> > >
> > > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but
> drawn
> > a
> > > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> > >
> > > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option
and
> I
> > > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> > >
> > > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
> understanding
> > > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this
has
> > now
> > > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server
2003
> > > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
> > exercise
> > > as our clients will be too big for this.
> > >
> > > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> > assurance
> > > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> > >
> > > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> > >
> > > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration
> pack
> > > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> > >
> > >
> > > Many Thanks
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Jeff

Jeff
Sat May 22 11:38:52 CDT 2004

Everyone talks about Linux Mometum. Frig, I remember using it six years ago
and it was going to be some hot thing. Turned out to be a flop. As far as I
am concerned I would consider OS X from apple before I would move to linux.

Having said that I do too am keeping an eye on the stuff from time to time.

As far as software assurance goes, I think the way it works is pretty good.
People were only buying every second generation anyway. Now they get the new
software every generation for the same price if they bought it every second.
It was a cash flow descision from Microsoft not a cash grab.

Regards,
Jeff Loucks
Available Technology ®
Solutions For Professionals ®
www.availabletechnology.com




"Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
news:e$0EYlBQEHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I'm sure a lot of this will change in the next few years (especially if
> Linux maintains its momentum). So it's probably worth re-evaluating
> periodically.
>
> I personally like MS software, but wouldn't mind seeing Linux become a
very
> viable alternative - mainly to keep MS more "honest" to their customers
and
> their prices in line. The whole Software Assurance thing, in particular,
> really soured me. It was the first time I've actually felt trapped by
using
> MS software (with no reasonable recourse).
>
> - Pat
>
>
> "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
> message news:eTGXNPBQEHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Linux,
> >
> > You have made a good point. Cost is not only about software if you look
at
> > it from a TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) perspective. There have been
> studies
> > on this and long term Microsoft comes out ahead by a long shot. If you
> > factor in the flexibility to port in other apps, MS is the hands down
> > winner.
> >
> > I actually developed a lot of linux skills and still have not found one
> > instance where I could recommend Linux to someone who runs a business.
It
> is
> > just too short sighted.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jeff Loucks
> > Available Technology ®
> > Solutions For Professionals ®
> > www.availabletechnology.com
> >
> >
> >
> > "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > news:OMttly$PEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > The cheapest option for upgrade? ...Linux?
> > >
> > > That would be an interesting analysis. I sure you save in software
> costs
> > > but may make up for that (perhaps more so) in the labor required to
move
> > it
> > > all over. But I do have a couple of (Linux) friends who insist they
can
> > do
> > > everything I do in SBS, but for less. So as absurd as this suggestion
> may
> > > be, it might be worth looking into (briefly).
> > >
> > > hth, -Pat
> > >
> > >
> > > "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> > > >
> > > > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will
push
> > us
> > > > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
> > upgrade
> > > > options available.
> > > >
> > > > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but
> > drawn
> > > a
> > > > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> > > >
> > > > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option
> and
> > I
> > > > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
> > understanding
> > > > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this
> has
> > > now
> > > > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > > > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server
> 2003
> > > > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
> > > exercise
> > > > as our clients will be too big for this.
> > > >
> > > > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> > > assurance
> > > > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> > > >
> > > > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> > > >
> > > > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration
> > pack
> > > > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many Thanks
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Pat

Pat
Sun May 23 09:06:28 CDT 2004

" It was a cash flow descision from Microsoft not a cash grab."

I'm not sure that's entirely true. Before you could purchase upgrades
whenever needed (for about half the price of a new license) which, on
average, weren't appearing more than every two years or so. So unless you
were upgrading every generation, the cost was less. Also, I'd like to know
what I'm buying before paying for it (I may decide I don't need it). Now
that isn't an option. For large businesses, maybe the economics are more
compelling, but so far I haven't seen that for the small business. And look
at all those people who bought SA for Windows XP. They got very little for
their investment.



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Jeff

Jeff
Sun May 23 10:00:10 CDT 2004

Regarding all the people who bought XP SA. Well if they are buying it now
its a good deal. SA intially did not favor early adopters. But in the end it
will all work out.

Early adopters only represent about 20% of Microsoft's total lifecycle
sales. The thing that will really screws it up is if Microsoft slows down
its development cycle on heavily subscribed SA products. I don't think that
is going to be the case though. There would be a huge backlash. Better to
keep customers happy then to tick them off. Even Microsoft knows that.

I understand what you are saying. Especially about being convinced of the
value of a generation before you buy. Hey, nothing is stopping you from
planning to buy every 4 years. The only thing is you will pay just as much
as if you bought SA. Unless the package price goes down or potentially goes
up. I think Microsoft is going to face pressure to reduce prices. They are
currently the second or third highest priced component of a PC. They used to
be the the second lowest right before the floppy drive.

The real criticism should be from competitive product makers who now face
organization investment in SA binding MS subscribers to MS product.

For small businesses it makes sense because it is a predictable expense. A
small company needs strategy to capitalize on thier IT investment. Most fly
by the seat of their pants and are shocked that they can make another
investment that will make them more productive every two years.

Regards,
Jeff Loucks
Available Technology ®
Solutions For Professionals ®
www.availabletechnology.com


"Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
news:em#yv8MQEHA.1348@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> " It was a cash flow descision from Microsoft not a cash grab."
>
> I'm not sure that's entirely true. Before you could purchase upgrades
> whenever needed (for about half the price of a new license) which, on
> average, weren't appearing more than every two years or so. So unless
you
> were upgrading every generation, the cost was less. Also, I'd like to
know
> what I'm buying before paying for it (I may decide I don't need it). Now
> that isn't an option. For large businesses, maybe the economics are more
> compelling, but so far I haven't seen that for the small business. And
look
> at all those people who bought SA for Windows XP. They got very little
for
> their investment.
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Mark

Mark
Sun May 23 10:11:38 CDT 2004

Jeff, I don't pray to Dell!!! I just buy about $20,000 a month from them.
I have an MS rep there that gets me licenses and a h/w rep that gets me h/w.
I get better pricing than Tech Data and quicker response. Granted, if you
are not doing that level of sales with them, they may try to screw you.
When I talk with the MS rep, the Dell guy isn't on the phone.....The MS rep
fills my needs and emails what I want to the Dell rep who sends me pricing
JUST LIKE CDW, Tech Data, or those other places you may deal with. I buy
many non-Dell parts from them b/c all they are are middle men for places
like TD the thing is they only put a couple % on it and give it to me at the
high level that TD has and not have to deal with TD's BS.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
message news:%23%23Yy6KBQEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I deal with Dell every day. They are not specialists in software. That is
my
> only point. If you are looking at ways to get only what you need an
minimise
> cost Dell will not be able to provide good advice on that.
>
> I am quite glad that you pray at the alter of Dell. Personally, I think
they
> are fine but you will get better advice about software from a company that
> specializes.
>
>
>
>
> "Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
> news:O$uDCW6PEHA.3216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Jeff, don't know what you are talking about, Dell sells open licenses
> w/out
> > hardware....no need to go anywhere else and they are VERY competitive.
> You
> > should look into it.
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> > www.MCSE2000.com
> > www.AppLauncher.com
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
> > message news:OjqKg5zPEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > The cheapest option depends on your current hardware.
> > >
> > > If you plan on keeping your existing hardware then volume license
> Exchange
> > > 2003 and run it on Windows 2000. But then it depends on the features
you
> > > need from SBS.
> > >
> > > If you plan on buying new hardware then I would suggest you plan to
buy
> > oem
> > > versions. By the way you can get SA for OEM software.
> > >
> > > I have nothing against Dell but they do want to sell hardware and may
> not
> > > make the other options available unless you ask. Personally, I would
> look
> > at
> > > someone who is more specialized.
> > >
> > > Feel free to contact me if you want more informaiton or assistance
> > > determining the best route.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jeff Loucks
> > > Available Technology ®
> > > Solutions For Professionals ®
> > > www.availabletechnology.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> > > >
> > > > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will
push
> > us
> > > > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
> > upgrade
> > > > options available.
> > > >
> > > > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options but
> > drawn
> > > a
> > > > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> > > >
> > > > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an option
> and
> > I
> > > > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
> > understanding
> > > > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding this
> has
> > > now
> > > > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > > > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server
> 2003
> > > > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a pointless
> > > exercise
> > > > as our clients will be too big for this.
> > > >
> > > > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> > > assurance
> > > > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> > > >
> > > > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> > > >
> > > > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a migration
> > pack
> > > > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many Thanks
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: SBS2000 Upgrade options????? by Jeff

Jeff
Sun May 23 10:28:38 CDT 2004

I agree with you that TD is really creating a backlash for themselves.

Still if you reread your comments you do come off singing the praises of
Dell. And your comments may apply to me but don't sound like they would
apply to David who might get better advice from someone like Softchoice.com
or through a reseller such as yourself who knows what questions to ask and
where to go to get competitive pricing.

Cheers,
Jeff Loucks
Available Technology ®
Solutions For Professionals ®
www.availabletechnology.com


"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:em80#gNQEHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Jeff, I don't pray to Dell!!! I just buy about $20,000 a month from them.
> I have an MS rep there that gets me licenses and a h/w rep that gets me
h/w.
> I get better pricing than Tech Data and quicker response. Granted, if you
> are not doing that level of sales with them, they may try to screw you.
> When I talk with the MS rep, the Dell guy isn't on the phone.....The MS
rep
> fills my needs and emails what I want to the Dell rep who sends me pricing
> JUST LIKE CDW, Tech Data, or those other places you may deal with. I buy
> many non-Dell parts from them b/c all they are are middle men for places
> like TD the thing is they only put a couple % on it and give it to me at
the
> high level that TD has and not have to deal with TD's BS.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in
> message news:%23%23Yy6KBQEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I deal with Dell every day. They are not specialists in software. That
is
> my
> > only point. If you are looking at ways to get only what you need an
> minimise
> > cost Dell will not be able to provide good advice on that.
> >
> > I am quite glad that you pray at the alter of Dell. Personally, I think
> they
> > are fine but you will get better advice about software from a company
that
> > specializes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
> > news:O$uDCW6PEHA.3216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Jeff, don't know what you are talking about, Dell sells open licenses
> > w/out
> > > hardware....no need to go anywhere else and they are VERY competitive.
> > You
> > > should look into it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> > > www.MCSE2000.com
> > > www.AppLauncher.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote
in
> > > message news:OjqKg5zPEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > The cheapest option depends on your current hardware.
> > > >
> > > > If you plan on keeping your existing hardware then volume license
> > Exchange
> > > > 2003 and run it on Windows 2000. But then it depends on the features
> you
> > > > need from SBS.
> > > >
> > > > If you plan on buying new hardware then I would suggest you plan to
> buy
> > > oem
> > > > versions. By the way you can get SA for OEM software.
> > > >
> > > > I have nothing against Dell but they do want to sell hardware and
may
> > not
> > > > make the other options available unless you ask. Personally, I would
> > look
> > > at
> > > > someone who is more specialized.
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to contact me if you want more informaiton or assistance
> > > > determining the best route.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Loucks
> > > > Available Technology ®
> > > > Solutions For Professionals ®
> > > > www.availabletechnology.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "David G" <david@no_spam.newenden.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > news:eM1IQGnPEHA.1312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > We currently have a client running SBS2000 with approx 45 users.
> > > > >
> > > > > The company is just about to expand by another 40 users this will
> push
> > > us
> > > > > over the thershold for SBS2000 and SBS2003. I am interested in the
> > > upgrade
> > > > > options available.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been trawling the microsoft website for dirrerent options
but
> > > drawn
> > > > a
> > > > > couple of blanks so thought I would turn to the masses for advice.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I Understand a small business server is not going to be an
option
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > am going to have to move to server plus exchange.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Microsoft offered the SBS2000 Migration Pack, which to my
> > > understanding
> > > > > was to help move from SBS to seperates. But to my understanding
this
> > has
> > > > now
> > > > > been discontinued and replaced by the SBS2003 Transition Pack.
> > > > > Now will the SBS2003 transition pack get me from SBS2000 to Server
> > 2003
> > > > > seperates or do you have to upgrade to SBS2003 which is a
pointless
> > > > exercise
> > > > > as our clients will be too big for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CAL's on the SBS2000 are OEM and there for dont have software
> > > > assurance
> > > > > so also I belive these cannot be used in conjunction with SBS2003.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is going to be the cheapest option for the upgrade?
> > > > >
> > > > > Buying Server2003 and Exchange 2003 seperate or is there a
migration
> > > pack
> > > > > that will take us from SBS2000 to Server 2003???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Many Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>