I am curious if anyone else has run into the new Trend Micro CSM for SMB. We
previously renews around $600 for 50 workstations and now they want about
$2300. This prompted me to start checking out other solutions. I did look in
old posts but they seem to all be from before Trend raised their prices -
back when it was a good deal.

I am not considering Norton because of previous experience - granted it was
with older products but everytime I see a Norton app it seems they want to
be everything to everyone and the client is loaded down with too many apps
and caused problems with other apps.

We had previously used McAfee ASAP but that caused printing problems and
each client updated from the internet on it's own rather then from a server
on the LAN. Also didn't like that there was no way to install it except from
the internet. So I am hesitant on McAfee but open if it seems to offer what
I need at a reasonable cost and reasonable administration.

I am experimenting with GFI MailEssentials and MailSecurity for antivirus
and spam blocking at the server but I am having a hard time finding desktop
protection I like. I would love to find antivirus and anti-spyware in one
app but that doesn't seem to exist. Even if they are from the same vendor
they still are separate apps. I am a minimalist when it comes to installing
stuff on desktops and I like things to be as efficient as possible. So I
would love some recomendations if you have them. I am not set on GFI for the
above but I do like them so far - especially the Beyesian scanning on the
MailEssentials.

My requirments are as follows:
> Compatible withe SBS 2000 and SBS 2003 (will be upgrading in Oct this
> year)
> All together must provide anti-virus, anti-spam and anti-spyware.
> All mail protection (virus and spam) must be at the server and integrate
> with Exchange
> Optional Mail protection at the client for POP3 clients is preferred
> Desktop protection (virus and spyware) must be installed and managed from
> the LAN with a single server that updates itself and then updates the
> clients
> Must be able to install desktop protection even if the client doesn't
> authenticate to the SBS server (other clients in the same subnet but
> logging into a different server)
> Desktop software must be as small and efficient as possible - must not
> significantly increase startup time or slow down the machine during normal
> usage.
> Must be able to manage client's permissions - i.e. prevent
> unloading/disabling/configuring of client software.

Hope that is clear enough and I look forward to hearing from you all.
Tony Vrolyk

Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Steve

Steve
Mon Jun 27 03:45:09 CDT 2005

Tony Vrolyk wrote:

>I am curious if anyone else has run into the new Trend Micro CSM for SMB.
>We previously renews around $600 for 50 workstations and now they want
>about $2300. This prompted me to start checking out other solutions. I did
>look in old posts but they seem to all be from before Trend raised their
>prices - back when it was a good deal.
>
>I am experimenting with GFI MailEssentials and MailSecurity for antivirus
>and spam blocking at the server but I am having a hard time finding
>desktop protection I like. I would love to find antivirus and anti-spyware
>in one app but that doesn't seem to exist. Even if they are from the same
>vendor they still are separate apps. I am a minimalist when it comes to
>installing stuff on desktops and I like things to be as efficient as
>possible. So I would love some recomendations if you have them. I am not
>set on GFI for the above but I do like them so far - especially the
>Beyesian scanning on the MailEssentials.

I'd go with GFI for email/gateway scanning, and add AVG for internal use.

Grisoft are currently quoting US$820 for 50 machines (AVG Network Edition
- includes the Server & Admin tools). Note that that's for a 2 year
licence. Ongoing renewals are 50% of retail price (at renewal).

I'd rethink the spyware angle though - standalone anti-spyware tools are
not well developed yet (none of them are anywhere close to 100%
effective), never mind hastily produced integrated versions from AV vendors.

Spyware is currently better contained through good IT practices.

--
Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
---------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.

Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Merv

Merv
Mon Jun 27 13:05:33 CDT 2005

I'm curious about the $2300 price tag for 50 users. Trend's web site says
you can buy a 50 user CSM for SMB package for $2225 (brand new package, not
a renewal) directly from their web site. These above figures are in US
currency.
http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?SP=10007&PN=5&CID=0&SID=16269&PID=620513&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0

I'm wondering if someone quoted you a renewal license price or a new package
price? Or maybe they weren't quoting the CSM for SMB renewal licenses?
Something doesn't smell right.

OK... I just checked with Trend. Their US price for a 50 license renewal
of CSM for SMB is: $13.35 each (or $667.50 for 50 licenses).

Part: Renewal License Qty. 50
PN: CMRN0013

--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
"Tony Vrolyk" <donotask@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:O8CaBOseFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I am curious if anyone else has run into the new Trend Micro CSM for SMB.
>We previously renews around $600 for 50 workstations and now they want
>about $2300. This prompted me to start checking out other solutions. I did
>look in old posts but they seem to all be from before Trend raised their
>prices - back when it was a good deal.
>
> I am not considering Norton because of previous experience - granted it
> was with older products but everytime I see a Norton app it seems they
> want to be everything to everyone and the client is loaded down with too
> many apps and caused problems with other apps.
>
> We had previously used McAfee ASAP but that caused printing problems and
> each client updated from the internet on it's own rather then from a
> server on the LAN. Also didn't like that there was no way to install it
> except from the internet. So I am hesitant on McAfee but open if it seems
> to offer what I need at a reasonable cost and reasonable administration.
>
> I am experimenting with GFI MailEssentials and MailSecurity for antivirus
> and spam blocking at the server but I am having a hard time finding
> desktop protection I like. I would love to find antivirus and anti-spyware
> in one app but that doesn't seem to exist. Even if they are from the same
> vendor they still are separate apps. I am a minimalist when it comes to
> installing stuff on desktops and I like things to be as efficient as
> possible. So I would love some recomendations if you have them. I am not
> set on GFI for the above but I do like them so far - especially the
> Beyesian scanning on the MailEssentials.
>
> My requirments are as follows:
>> Compatible withe SBS 2000 and SBS 2003 (will be upgrading in Oct this
>> year)
>> All together must provide anti-virus, anti-spam and anti-spyware.
>> All mail protection (virus and spam) must be at the server and integrate
>> with Exchange
>> Optional Mail protection at the client for POP3 clients is preferred
>> Desktop protection (virus and spyware) must be installed and managed from
>> the LAN with a single server that updates itself and then updates the
>> clients
>> Must be able to install desktop protection even if the client doesn't
>> authenticate to the SBS server (other clients in the same subnet but
>> logging into a different server)
>> Desktop software must be as small and efficient as possible - must not
>> significantly increase startup time or slow down the machine during
>> normal usage.
>> Must be able to manage client's permissions - i.e. prevent
>> unloading/disabling/configuring of client software.
>
> Hope that is clear enough and I look forward to hearing from you all.
> Tony Vrolyk
>
>



Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Dave

Dave
Mon Jun 27 17:55:21 CDT 2005

I'm not sure what's included in CSM. You could consider calling CA open
license and get a price for competitive upgrade. It's been a while since I
bought it, but I'd guess it to be less than half of what you're quoting for
Trend.


"Tony Vrolyk" <donotask@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:O8CaBOseFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I am curious if anyone else has run into the new Trend Micro CSM for SMB.
>We previously renews around $600 for 50 workstations and now they want
>about $2300. This prompted me to start checking out other solutions. I did
>look in old posts but they seem to all be from before Trend raised their
>prices - back when it was a good deal.
>
> I am not considering Norton because of previous experience - granted it
> was with older products but everytime I see a Norton app it seems they
> want to be everything to everyone and the client is loaded down with too
> many apps and caused problems with other apps.
>
> We had previously used McAfee ASAP but that caused printing problems and
> each client updated from the internet on it's own rather then from a
> server on the LAN. Also didn't like that there was no way to install it
> except from the internet. So I am hesitant on McAfee but open if it seems
> to offer what I need at a reasonable cost and reasonable administration.
>
> I am experimenting with GFI MailEssentials and MailSecurity for antivirus
> and spam blocking at the server but I am having a hard time finding
> desktop protection I like. I would love to find antivirus and anti-spyware
> in one app but that doesn't seem to exist. Even if they are from the same
> vendor they still are separate apps. I am a minimalist when it comes to
> installing stuff on desktops and I like things to be as efficient as
> possible. So I would love some recomendations if you have them. I am not
> set on GFI for the above but I do like them so far - especially the
> Beyesian scanning on the MailEssentials.
>
> My requirments are as follows:
>> Compatible withe SBS 2000 and SBS 2003 (will be upgrading in Oct this
>> year)
>> All together must provide anti-virus, anti-spam and anti-spyware.
>> All mail protection (virus and spam) must be at the server and integrate
>> with Exchange
>> Optional Mail protection at the client for POP3 clients is preferred
>> Desktop protection (virus and spyware) must be installed and managed from
>> the LAN with a single server that updates itself and then updates the
>> clients
>> Must be able to install desktop protection even if the client doesn't
>> authenticate to the SBS server (other clients in the same subnet but
>> logging into a different server)
>> Desktop software must be as small and efficient as possible - must not
>> significantly increase startup time or slow down the machine during
>> normal usage.
>> Must be able to manage client's permissions - i.e. prevent
>> unloading/disabling/configuring of client software.
>
> Hope that is clear enough and I look forward to hearing from you all.
> Tony Vrolyk
>
>



Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Tony

Tony
Tue Jun 28 10:45:46 CDT 2005

Ya know, I should've known better than to trust the sales guy at the vendor
we originally purchased from. That particular sales guy is kinda lazy and
apparently rather than give me the renewal price he just rattled off the new
price - too much work for a sale under $10,000 for him (greedy)

I still think I might consider going to GFI for the mail protection.
MailEssentials offers spam protection beyond what Trend offers - beyesian
scannion, DNS blacklists, ORDB lists etc.

I will also check out AVG and CA. Thanks for the advice.

Tony


"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23AZYRL0eFHA.1448@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I'm curious about the $2300 price tag for 50 users. Trend's web site says
> you can buy a 50 user CSM for SMB package for $2225 (brand new package,
> not a renewal) directly from their web site. These above figures are in
> US currency.
> http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?SP=10007&PN=5&CID=0&SID=16269&PID=620513&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0
>
> I'm wondering if someone quoted you a renewal license price or a new
> package price? Or maybe they weren't quoting the CSM for SMB renewal
> licenses? Something doesn't smell right.
>
> OK... I just checked with Trend. Their US price for a 50 license
> renewal of CSM for SMB is: $13.35 each (or $667.50 for 50 licenses).
>
> Part: Renewal License Qty. 50
> PN: CMRN0013
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
> ===================================
> "Tony Vrolyk" <donotask@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:O8CaBOseFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>I am curious if anyone else has run into the new Trend Micro CSM for SMB.
>>We previously renews around $600 for 50 workstations and now they want
>>about $2300. This prompted me to start checking out other solutions. I did
>>look in old posts but they seem to all be from before Trend raised their
>>prices - back when it was a good deal.
>>
>> I am not considering Norton because of previous experience - granted it
>> was with older products but everytime I see a Norton app it seems they
>> want to be everything to everyone and the client is loaded down with too
>> many apps and caused problems with other apps.
>>
>> We had previously used McAfee ASAP but that caused printing problems and
>> each client updated from the internet on it's own rather then from a
>> server on the LAN. Also didn't like that there was no way to install it
>> except from the internet. So I am hesitant on McAfee but open if it seems
>> to offer what I need at a reasonable cost and reasonable administration.
>>
>> I am experimenting with GFI MailEssentials and MailSecurity for antivirus
>> and spam blocking at the server but I am having a hard time finding
>> desktop protection I like. I would love to find antivirus and
>> anti-spyware in one app but that doesn't seem to exist. Even if they are
>> from the same vendor they still are separate apps. I am a minimalist when
>> it comes to installing stuff on desktops and I like things to be as
>> efficient as possible. So I would love some recomendations if you have
>> them. I am not set on GFI for the above but I do like them so far -
>> especially the Beyesian scanning on the MailEssentials.
>>
>> My requirments are as follows:
>>> Compatible withe SBS 2000 and SBS 2003 (will be upgrading in Oct this
>>> year)
>>> All together must provide anti-virus, anti-spam and anti-spyware.
>>> All mail protection (virus and spam) must be at the server and integrate
>>> with Exchange
>>> Optional Mail protection at the client for POP3 clients is preferred
>>> Desktop protection (virus and spyware) must be installed and managed
>>> from the LAN with a single server that updates itself and then updates
>>> the clients
>>> Must be able to install desktop protection even if the client doesn't
>>> authenticate to the SBS server (other clients in the same subnet but
>>> logging into a different server)
>>> Desktop software must be as small and efficient as possible - must not
>>> significantly increase startup time or slow down the machine during
>>> normal usage.
>>> Must be able to manage client's permissions - i.e. prevent
>>> unloading/disabling/configuring of client software.
>>
>> Hope that is clear enough and I look forward to hearing from you all.
>> Tony Vrolyk
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Tony

Tony
Tue Jun 28 10:49:42 CDT 2005

Thanks for the suggestions. For anti-spyware, I am curious what your opinion
is of webroot Spy Sweeper - http://www.webroot.com/

Our company is a member of a national group of similar organizations and
another in our group said they had good expreience with it - though I have
not pushed them for any details.

Thanks
Tony


"Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0e3zqucqn6m1003@msnews.microsoft.com...
>
> I'd go with GFI for email/gateway scanning, and add AVG for internal use.
>
> Grisoft are currently quoting US$820 for 50 machines (AVG Network
> Edition - includes the Server & Admin tools). Note that that's for a 2
> year licence. Ongoing renewals are 50% of retail price (at renewal).
>
> I'd rethink the spyware angle though - standalone anti-spyware tools are
> not well developed yet (none of them are anywhere close to 100%
> effective), never mind hastily produced integrated versions from AV
> vendors.
>
> Spyware is currently better contained through good IT practices.
>
> --
> Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> ---------------------------------------
> MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.



Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Steve

Steve
Wed Jun 29 04:33:45 CDT 2005

Tony Vrolyk wrote:

>Thanks for the suggestions. For anti-spyware, I am curious what your
>opinion is of webroot Spy Sweeper - http://www.webroot.com/

I've never heard of that particular one before. There are some interesting
marketing claims made on their site for their software, and I'm always
suspicious of vendors that use quotes about previous versions of their
software to push a current version.

>Our company is a member of a national group of similar organizations and
>another in our group said they had good expreience with it - though I have
>not pushed them for any details.

I've had folks tell me they had a good experience with Norton, too.
Doesn't make it less of a POS. <g>

--
Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
---------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.

Re: Trend too expensive - what is a good replacement? by Tony

Tony
Wed Jun 29 09:09:22 CDT 2005

"Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" <steve.foster@picamar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0e42l9x1phi1001@msnews.microsoft.com...
> I've had folks tell me they had a good experience with Norton, too.
> Doesn't make it less of a POS. <g>


Too true.

If you (or anyone else reading this thread) are interested here is a link to
a flash demo that I just got from them minutes ago. I haven't looked at it
yet. I signed up for the demo but haven't installed it yet. If I have a
chance I will post my experience.

http://www.webroot.com/multimedia/spy_sweeper_enterprise_demo04.html

Tony