Susan
Mon Jul 21 22:02:38 CDT 2003
And I repeat that I hired someone to install my phone system and do the
intial voice mailsystem setup. I don't have the time to try to figure
out a Panasonic Digital hybrid system kx-t7431.
Plawton... please... tell us what happened... that's what this group is
all about
For the record I'm not the traditional "consultant", I don't do this
full time.... and unless you are willing to either... a. go to a
training course that I did back in May or b. Find a consultant who does
understand this little guy it can be frustrating.
This isn't easy.
Heck... a standalone computer isn't too easy either.
Is it normal for the average person to worry about firewalls, anti
viruses, trojans and the like? Heck no.
And again...this is a computer that we install stuff on...it's not like
a TV.
My phone system we call a guy out when we get stuck. If phones "just
work" how come I have to pay a phone bill every month? There's a firm,
where people that are paid to monitor and maintain the phone systems.
Where they check on the line, put patches on.
I've had to buy new phones at my house when old ones broke.....
Make no mistake Mr. Plawton, expecting installing a server system to be
"easy" would indicate no need for MCSE's, no need for consultants. No
need for books. I don't see that happening around here.
We're so not to the place that you expected SBS to be. For your
expectations of this product, I'm sorry. It's not a toaster. It's not
a TV. It's a business server system that is an integral part of your
office just like your employees. Just like them it needs monitoring.
Sorry....
plawton wrote:
> Ms. Bradley:
>
> I repeat: Imagine if the average office had to constantly
> tweak and patch its telephone system, and had to assign a
> person to do so for 40 hours a week.
>
> At one time, telephone systems were repulsively complex
> switchboards, requiring several staffers to operate.
> Today, I just plug it in and it works.
>
> Put yourself down the road 25 or 50 years, and you will
> look back on SBS 2000 and giggle about how painfully
> convoluted it was - much as you do today when you think
> back on the pain of IRQs and manually setting interrupts.
>
> Also, this is not meant to be a personal assault on you
> folks who choose to immerse yourselves in this full-time.
>
> Regarding the classes: they may have been offered in May
> of 2001, but I think if you check microsoft's web site for
> training
> (
http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/training/find/courseres
> ults.asp?
> product=Microsoft+Small+Business+Server&audience=&delivery=
> BL&language=en&scount=0,)
>
> you'll find this answer:
>
> Search Results for "Microsoft Small Business Server"
>
> No training matches were found for the search criteria you
> entered. Please modify your criteria and search again.
>
> As I said, very frustrating. Also, it's not surprising
> that microsoft would do this to small business owners,
> considering how many they've crushed in their days. The
> only option I have for educating myself is Harry
> Brelsford, who doesn't use a spell checker, and gloats
> about how much he has made as a consultant, off of small
> businesses with no other option!
>
> I'm very anxious to see what the next 25 or 50 years will
> bring.
>
> plawton
> Connecticut
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Mr. Plawton... Do you fix your own car? Do you do your
> own Dentistry
> >work? Do you perform surgery on yourself?
> >
> >Isn't that what you are asking to do?
> >
> >Make no mistake about this Mr. Plawton, setting up a
> computer system is
> >NOT easy. Did you know there are over 64,000 ports on a
> computer
> >system? Did you know that there are 5 systems inside
> your one server?
> >
> >Rip off? No, this system is not. There is no other
> system around my
> >friend that gives you as much as this box does. Is it
> complicated? Yup
> >that it is and so is computing in general. For that I do
> blame
> >Microsoft...for years they've made us believe that these
> computers are
> >so simple that anyone can set them up. No. No operating
> system in th
> >world, not Unix, not Linux, not Microsoft, none are
> easy. They have
> >veneers of GUI's over the top to lull us into thinking
> that they are no
> >harder than a toaster but don't kid yourself..... the
> technology inside
> >that box...the brain power inside that box.....the
> passion of
> >programmers and coders that give countless hours to
> protect us from the
> >stupid script kiddies and hackers who have nothing better
> to do than to
> >screw up our economy.... did you know that one of the
> recent patches had
> >a code date of July 5th. That's a Saturday. A holiday.
> And some smuck
> >or two or three in the Security division of Microsoft was
> working their
> >you know whats off over a holiday weekend to keep us safe
> out here.
> >
> >As for that lack of classes? Poppycock. I took a Hands
> on Lab in SBS
> >2000 in May of 2001. They've even got online hands on
> labs for the 2003
> >product.
> >
> >Millions of small business owners SHOULD be hiring
> consultants or BECOME
> >one because I can guarantee you that Security...whether
> delivered by
> >Redmond or by the Penguin is not easy.
> >
> >This not a TV you just plug in and use.
> >
> >This is a machine that has code, written "for good" that
> if not properly
> >cared for can be taken over "for bad".
> >
> >You take your car in for servicing right? You pay for
> insurance? For a
> >license? There's no way that I would ever consider
> starting to tear
> >down my car and attempt to understand it's parts.
> >
> >Know what you can do.
> >Know what you can't.
> >And realize that by paying for assistance you will save
> money in the
> >long run
> >
> >Apologize for the rant...but this platform is not a rip
> off
> >
> >And I'm a beancounter.
> >
> >plawton wrote:
> >
> >> Ms. Bradley:
> >>
> >> From my perspective, managing network operations is far
> >> too labor intensive - I'm trying to run a business.
> >> Imagine if the average office had to constantly tweak
> and
> >> patch its telephone system, and had to assign a person
> to
> >> do so for 40 hours a week. The truth is clearly this:
> >> Microsoft has determined that their best supporters are
> >> the MSCE-type consultants, and they put together this
> SBS
> >> 2000 package for them. Since there are no Microsoft
> >> classes in SBS 2000, millions of small business owners
> >> have no choice but to either hire a consultant, or
> become
> >> one. Another frustrating rip-off.
> >>
> >> plawton
> >> Connecticut
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >No, it takes one person, one Internet account and a
> >> constant connection
> >> >to a newsgroup to install a SBS server :-)
> >> >
> >> >plawton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> After installing Microsoft Small Business Server
> 2000 on
> >> >> our new server, and learning that it takes a three
> men
> >> and
> >> >> a boy to configure and run the damn thing, it occurs
> to
> >> me
> >> >> that any time someone draws an analogy between
> computers
> >> >> and cars, they are decades ahead of the truth.
> >> Computers
> >> >> and specifically operating systems are today where
> >> >> transportation was 100 years ago: they are steam
> >> >> locomotives. You need a special engineer, a
> fireman, a
> >> >> brakeman, and somebody to run around and oil
> everything
> >> >> all the time. You need to stop the beast every
> hundred
> >> >> miles for water, or coal, or wood, or some other
> >> >> adjustment. It's a huge, enormously complex
> assembly,
> >> >> best suited to pulling other huge things, that can
> only
> >> go
> >> >> in certain directions on selected tracks, of certain
> >> >> gauge.
> >> >>
> >> >> In a hundred years, computing will be where cars are
> >> >> today: a simple matter of getting in, starting up,
> and
> >> >> going, with no maintenance for 100,000 miles.
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Here we are -- into the 21st century -- with all
> this
> >> >> technology and
> >> >> >advancements around. So what happens? We turn on our
> >> >> computers, and things
> >> >> >work just fine one day. Then they don't work the
> next
> >> >> day. It's enough to
> >> >> >make a grown man (or woman) cry! So, with that,
> let's
> >> >> turn to a marvelous
> >> >> >Broadway musical, "Bye Bye Birdie", where there's a
> >> tune
> >> >> that asked the
> >> >> >timeless question:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"What's the matter with kids today?"
> >> >> >or "What's the matter with programs today?"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bugs!
> >> >> >I don't know why programs still have bugs these
> days!
> >> >> >Bugs!
> >> >> >Programs don't work, they just fail each day!
> >> >> >Bugs!
> >> >> >They are disobedient, disrespectful oafs!
> >> >> >Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >While we're on the subject:
> >> >> >Bugs!
> >> >> >You can talk and talk till your face is blue!
> >> >> >Bugs!
> >> >> >But they still just do what they want to do!
> >> >> >Why can't these programs work like they did in DOS -
> --
> >> >> >Perfect in every way?
> >> >> >What's the matter with programs today?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Software!
> >> >> >We buy some many versions of software these days
> >> >> >Software!
> >> >> >Try it! Buy it! Download it! Break it! Crash it!
> What,
> >> no
> >> >> backup?
> >> >> >And while we're on the subject!
> >> >> >Software!
> >> >> >They're just impossible to control!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Software!
> >> >> >With their awful GUI screens and prompts and
> illogical
> >> >> error messages!
> >> >> >Why can't they write code like we did
> >> >> >What's wrong with DOS and a 286 chip?
> >> >> >What's the matter with programs today?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of
> >> being,
> >> >not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still
> >> does
> >> >not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on
> >> your
> >> >patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold
> them
> >> >responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know
> how
> >> >to use it properly and effectively."
> >> >~Rain Forest Puppy
> >> >
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >--
> >"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of
> being,
> >not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still
> does
> >not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on
> your
> >patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
> >responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
> >to use it properly and effectively."
> >~Rain Forest Puppy
> >
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
> >
> >
> >.
> >
--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your
patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
to use it properly and effectively."
~Rain Forest Puppy
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt