Single Windows 2003 SBS running Terminal Services in APP MODE?

Very simply put:

Is it possible to configure Windows 2003 SBS (Standard)
for Terminal Services in APPLICATION MODE?

More complex:

Windows Server 2003 (not SBS) that is a DOMAIN CONTROLLER
does not allow Terminal Services in Application Mode (per
the docs). Moreover, Windows Server 2003 SBS is only able
to be a DOMAIN CONTROLLER (per the docs).

MS Reseller support claims that Windows Server 2003 SBS
can be configured for terminal services in application
mode... BUT IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

When asked if they have any docs to backup this claim
they only can reference docs which state that IT IS
RECOMMENDED to add another Windows 2003 Server for
Terminal services..

What is the real answer, and are there any docs that you
can point me to?

Thanks -Matt

Chad
Wed Nov 19 10:14:31 CST 2003

Hi Matt -

NO - SBS 2003 cannot be configured as TS in Apps Mode. TS Apps Mode is not
availabe in SBS 2003. Sounds like that reseller needs to brush up on their
product info . . . ;^)

--
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]

SBS ROCKS!!!

Matt Corney wrote:
> Very simply put:
>
> Is it possible to configure Windows 2003 SBS (Standard)
> for Terminal Services in APPLICATION MODE?
>
> More complex:
>
> Windows Server 2003 (not SBS) that is a DOMAIN CONTROLLER
> does not allow Terminal Services in Application Mode (per
> the docs). Moreover, Windows Server 2003 SBS is only able
> to be a DOMAIN CONTROLLER (per the docs).
>
> MS Reseller support claims that Windows Server 2003 SBS
> can be configured for terminal services in application
> mode... BUT IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
>
> When asked if they have any docs to backup this claim
> they only can reference docs which state that IT IS
> RECOMMENDED to add another Windows 2003 Server for
> Terminal services..
>
> What is the real answer, and are there any docs that you
> can point me to?
>
> Thanks -Matt

Javier
Wed Nov 19 10:25:17 CST 2003

Hi Matt!!!

You are correct (and the reseller is wrong)-> SBS2003 does not allow you to
run the server itself as TS in App Mode, you can have a 2nd server running
TS (Win2k/2k3). In the SBS2k version, this was allowed and supported by
MS... but not recommended.

I don't have any specific docs to show you... but this has been discussed
and confirmed by numerous MS personnel in the SBS2k3 NG (which BTW SBS2k3
should be posted there).

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Matt Corney" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:079501c3aeb5$de0e2b50$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Very simply put:
>
> Is it possible to configure Windows 2003 SBS (Standard)
> for Terminal Services in APPLICATION MODE?
>
> More complex:
>
> Windows Server 2003 (not SBS) that is a DOMAIN CONTROLLER
> does not allow Terminal Services in Application Mode (per
> the docs). Moreover, Windows Server 2003 SBS is only able
> to be a DOMAIN CONTROLLER (per the docs).
>
> MS Reseller support claims that Windows Server 2003 SBS
> can be configured for terminal services in application
> mode... BUT IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
>
> When asked if they have any docs to backup this claim
> they only can reference docs which state that IT IS
> RECOMMENDED to add another Windows 2003 Server for
> Terminal services..
>
> What is the real answer, and are there any docs that you
> can point me to?
>
> Thanks -Matt
>

Matt
Wed Nov 19 10:27:32 CST 2003

Chad,

Thanks for the real deal... Once again all the docs were
pointing in that direction but the "MS Sale Support"
person sent me into doubt.

Thanks,

Matt
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Matt -
>
>NO - SBS 2003 cannot be configured as TS in Apps Mode.
TS Apps Mode is not
>availabe in SBS 2003. Sounds like that reseller needs
to brush up on their
>product info . . . ;^)
>
>--
>Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]
>
>SBS ROCKS!!!
>
>Matt Corney wrote:
>> Very simply put:
>>
>> Is it possible to configure Windows 2003 SBS (Standard)
>> for Terminal Services in APPLICATION MODE?
>>
>> More complex:
>>
>> Windows Server 2003 (not SBS) that is a DOMAIN
CONTROLLER
>> does not allow Terminal Services in Application Mode
(per
>> the docs). Moreover, Windows Server 2003 SBS is only
able
>> to be a DOMAIN CONTROLLER (per the docs).
>>
>> MS Reseller support claims that Windows Server 2003 SBS
>> can be configured for terminal services in application
>> mode... BUT IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
>>
>> When asked if they have any docs to backup this claim
>> they only can reference docs which state that IT IS
>> RECOMMENDED to add another Windows 2003 Server for
>> Terminal services..
>>
>> What is the real answer, and are there any docs that
you
>> can point me to?
>>
>> Thanks -Matt
>
>
>.
>

fbrown
Wed Nov 19 10:31:20 CST 2003

Thank you for posting your question to the Newsgroup.

SBS 2003 unlike SBS 2000 cannot be configured to run Terminal Services in
Application sharing mode. SBS 2003 only supports Terminal Services in
Remote Admin mode. If you were to perform and inplace upgrade on an SBS
2000 box running TS in app sharing mode you would receive a warning during
installation that this is not supported.

Regards,

Frank Brown
Microsoft Small Business Server Support

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Javier
Wed Nov 19 10:39:40 CST 2003

Actually... I just got a doc to confirm it:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.mspx


Q. Can I run Terminal Services in Application Server mode on Windows Small
Business Server 2003?

A. No. It is not possible to run Terminal Services in Application Server
mode on Windows Small Business Server 2003. This is a change from Small
Business Server 2000. Running Terminal Services in Application Server mode
on a domain controller may present a security risk to your network. <snip>

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:OVchhmrrDHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Matt!!!
>
> You are correct (and the reseller is wrong)-> SBS2003 does not allow you
to
> run the server itself as TS in App Mode, you can have a 2nd server running
> TS (Win2k/2k3). In the SBS2k version, this was allowed and supported by
> MS... but not recommended.
>
> I don't have any specific docs to show you... but this has been discussed
> and confirmed by numerous MS personnel in the SBS2k3 NG (which BTW SBS2k3
> should be posted there).
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Matt Corney" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:079501c3aeb5$de0e2b50$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > Very simply put:
> >
> > Is it possible to configure Windows 2003 SBS (Standard)
> > for Terminal Services in APPLICATION MODE?
> >
> > More complex:
> >
> > Windows Server 2003 (not SBS) that is a DOMAIN CONTROLLER
> > does not allow Terminal Services in Application Mode (per
> > the docs). Moreover, Windows Server 2003 SBS is only able
> > to be a DOMAIN CONTROLLER (per the docs).
> >
> > MS Reseller support claims that Windows Server 2003 SBS
> > can be configured for terminal services in application
> > mode... BUT IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
> >
> > When asked if they have any docs to backup this claim
> > they only can reference docs which state that IT IS
> > RECOMMENDED to add another Windows 2003 Server for
> > Terminal services..
> >
> > What is the real answer, and are there any docs that you
> > can point me to?
> >
> > Thanks -Matt
> >
>
>

bag_solutions
Wed Nov 26 15:38:19 CST 2003

> Q. Can I run Terminal Services in Application Server mode on Windows Small
> Business Server 2003?

Yes You can, all the dll's are included on the cd all you need to do
is install it! you just have to install its manually!
see how @ http://www.bagsolutions.orcon.net.nz

BAG ;)

Kevin
Wed Nov 26 16:31:10 CST 2003

WHY oh WHY would you want to put your company's primary business server at
risk by doing that!
-kw

"bag_solutions" <bag_solutions@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4caf9dfa.0311261338.df1f7e9@posting.google.com...
> > Q. Can I run Terminal Services in Application Server mode on Windows
Small
> > Business Server 2003?
>
> Yes You can, all the dll's are included on the cd all you need to do
> is install it! you just have to install its manually!
> see how @ http://www.bagsolutions.orcon.net.nz
>
> BAG ;)