Hey folks --

I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get zillions
of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their ISA/SBS
servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because they're
using ISA as a dedicated firewall.

Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the lines
of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)

What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't say
DSL/PPPoE :-\)

Thanks!
--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000

Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Susan

Susan
Wed Nov 19 23:14:59 CST 2003

Same as you guys... just knowing how to identify what ports are needed
and what needs to be unblocked. We are no different than a dedicated
firewall, we just happen to stick it on our DC. Follow the wizards...
that is the most important difference that I can say. Follow the
wizards and let it do the heavy lifting. Then go into the management
console and poke the holes you need to do.

Show those users

ISA for Dummies:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/ISA_for_Dummies.aspx


Frequently Asked Questions about ISA on SBS 2000:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/isa.aspx


Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:

> Hey folks --
>
> I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get zillions
> of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their ISA/SBS
> servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because they're
> using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
>
> Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the lines
> of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
>
> What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't say
> DSL/PPPoE :-\)
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Tom
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
> Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
> ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
> MVP -- ISA Server 2000
>
>
>
>

--
http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm


Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Chad

Chad
Thu Nov 20 01:44:05 CST 2003

Hi Tom -

Just like Susan indicated, we see the same issues you guys see. The biggest
issue I've seen is people not understanding how ISA works - how the parts &
pieces fit together to build the various rules, or the difference between
packet filters & protocol rules - hence ISA for Dummies. Other common
issues include viewing SSL over non-standard ports behind ISA, internet
access for VPN clients (no, you cannot configure the VPN client as a Secure
NAT client . . . :^) or the regular questions about getting voice & video
functionality in MSN Messenger to work..

If I was going to do an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins, I'd do an ISA for
Dummies just on how the pieces fit together in order for ISA to do it's job.
I'd show the SBS Admin how to disable the default BackOffice Internet Access
rule and create new protocol rules for only the traffic that they want to
allow. I'd show them how to configure what ISA logs, where the logs can be
found, and offer best practices on how often logs should be reviewed. I'd
also show them how to backup & restore their ISA configuration, so they can
experiment with settings and know how to get back to a known working
condition if the experiments go awry. Show them how to configure ISA as a
VPN server, and discuss the security risks of allowing unmanaged clients to
create VPN connections.

Things to remember with ISA on SBS is that we'll never use web publishing
rules, since ISA is on our DC. I can't think of anyone who would recommend
having a web server on your LAN. We recommend not hosting a public website
on SBS, but with the increased need for OWA, and the wonderful functionality
of Remote Web Workplace in SBS 2003, it appears that these SBS's will be
hosting sites - so the best we can do now is have everything run over SSL so
we can keep port 80 closed. Since we also have IIS on our ISA server,
SBS'ers won't use SSL-bridging. The majority of SBS sites won't use server
publishing either, and the ones that do will most likely be publishing a
Terminal Server or Citrix Server. Also, because we've got IIS and only a
single ISA server, we don't use WPAD with SBS LANs - and we don't do DMZs
with ISA either. If we need a DMZ, we put a nat'ing firewall device on the
perimeter and set up a DMZ completely external to ISA.

Really, an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins should be fairly simple &
straight-forward. Give them the basic info to understand how ISA works.
Show them how to backup & restore their configuration. Give them best
practices for restricting outbound access and log management, and point them
to resources and tools to help them review their logs and determine what
ports various apps need for access. Show them how to do VPN, beat them over
the head with security and as a bonus, I'd throw in a procedure on how to
use the CMAK to build & deploy custom VPN connectoids . . .

That's not too much to ask for, is it? :^)

--
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]

SBS ROCKS!!!

Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
> Hey folks --
>
> I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
> zillions of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures
> on their ISA/SBS servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to
> help because they're using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
>
> Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along
> the lines of the ISA/Exchange Kit
> (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
>
> What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please
> don't say DSL/PPPoE :-\)
>
> Thanks!



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Thu Nov 20 02:54:12 CST 2003

I'll turn it around and ask what are the top ten things you get asked but
cannot answer?

I'm not doing this to be difficult but to ask you to see the question from
our perspective. We're used to doing a few things I expect 'ISA on a
standalone' people to not recommend.

We avoid tri-homing (DMZ) because dual homing your primary DC is headache
enough.
We avoid web publishing because if we do publish the most likely candidate
is a service which is also running on the DC, which happens to also have ISA
on it.
We have issues because our public DNS records either point to our external
ISA interface or worse yet to the external IP address of the simple NAT
router we put in front of ISA.

On the other hand, the SBS team have given us all these fancy wizards which
allow us to reach a basic ISA config without being required to learn the
intricacies of ISA management.


"Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hey folks --
>
> I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
zillions
> of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
ISA/SBS
> servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because they're
> using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
>
> Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the
lines
> of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
>
> What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't
say
> DSL/PPPoE :-\)
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Tom
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
> Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
> ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
> MVP -- ISA Server 2000
>
>
>
>



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Thu Nov 20 03:22:07 CST 2003

Ohh, and Tom, refer them here (the newsgroup) even if they've been here and
didn't get the answer they wanted.

Susan has a well seasoned 2*4.



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Thomas

Thomas
Thu Nov 20 07:26:31 CST 2003

Hi Susan,

Great ideas!

Thanks!
--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000


"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
wrote in message news:#jpo$UyrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: Same as you guys... just knowing how to identify what ports are needed
: and what needs to be unblocked. We are no different than a dedicated
: firewall, we just happen to stick it on our DC. Follow the wizards...
: that is the most important difference that I can say. Follow the
: wizards and let it do the heavy lifting. Then go into the management
: console and poke the holes you need to do.
:
: Show those users
:
: ISA for Dummies:
: http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/ISA_for_Dummies.aspx
:
:
: Frequently Asked Questions about ISA on SBS 2000:
: http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/isa.aspx
:
:
: Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
:
: > Hey folks --
: >
: > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
zillions
: > of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
ISA/SBS
: > servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because
they're
: > using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
: >
: > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the
lines
: > of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
: >
: > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't
say
: > DSL/PPPoE :-\)
: >
: > Thanks!
: > --
: > Tom
: > www.isaserver.org/shinder
: > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
: > Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
: > ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
: > MVP -- ISA Server 2000
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
: --
: http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
:



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Thomas

Thomas
Thu Nov 20 07:34:27 CST 2003

Hi Chad,

Great ideas!

The stuff of the "kits" are more "how to" than "why". The goal is to get
things working and then you can grab a book later if you want to understand
the why's and wherefores. Also, check out the Exchange and VPN kits
www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit and
http://www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/vpnkitbeta2/howtouse.htm which are
collections of docs on how to perform specific tasks. A lot of the stuff
you mention seems to fit into the FAQ realm.

Check out the list I have so far, based on my ISAServer.org experience:
1.. ISA Server 2000 Quick Setup Guide on Small Business Server
2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access on the Small Business Server
3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 on the Small Business Server
4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
5.. Make the Small Business Server a a VPN Server
6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers
7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business Server
8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server
This are frequent questions I see at ISAServer.org. I know they are not all
representative of best practices, but there is a huge demand and people are
less likely to get into trouble if they know the right way of doing things
:-)

Thanks!!!
--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000


"Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]" <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:eOABUozrDHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: Hi Tom -
:
: Just like Susan indicated, we see the same issues you guys see. The
biggest
: issue I've seen is people not understanding how ISA works - how the parts
&
: pieces fit together to build the various rules, or the difference between
: packet filters & protocol rules - hence ISA for Dummies. Other common
: issues include viewing SSL over non-standard ports behind ISA, internet
: access for VPN clients (no, you cannot configure the VPN client as a
Secure
: NAT client . . . :^) or the regular questions about getting voice & video
: functionality in MSN Messenger to work..
:
: If I was going to do an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins, I'd do an ISA
for
: Dummies just on how the pieces fit together in order for ISA to do it's
job.
: I'd show the SBS Admin how to disable the default BackOffice Internet
Access
: rule and create new protocol rules for only the traffic that they want to
: allow. I'd show them how to configure what ISA logs, where the logs can
be
: found, and offer best practices on how often logs should be reviewed. I'd
: also show them how to backup & restore their ISA configuration, so they
can
: experiment with settings and know how to get back to a known working
: condition if the experiments go awry. Show them how to configure ISA as a
: VPN server, and discuss the security risks of allowing unmanaged clients
to
: create VPN connections.
:
: Things to remember with ISA on SBS is that we'll never use web publishing
: rules, since ISA is on our DC. I can't think of anyone who would
recommend
: having a web server on your LAN. We recommend not hosting a public
website
: on SBS, but with the increased need for OWA, and the wonderful
functionality
: of Remote Web Workplace in SBS 2003, it appears that these SBS's will be
: hosting sites - so the best we can do now is have everything run over SSL
so
: we can keep port 80 closed. Since we also have IIS on our ISA server,
: SBS'ers won't use SSL-bridging. The majority of SBS sites won't use
server
: publishing either, and the ones that do will most likely be publishing a
: Terminal Server or Citrix Server. Also, because we've got IIS and only a
: single ISA server, we don't use WPAD with SBS LANs - and we don't do DMZs
: with ISA either. If we need a DMZ, we put a nat'ing firewall device on
the
: perimeter and set up a DMZ completely external to ISA.
:
: Really, an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins should be fairly simple &
: straight-forward. Give them the basic info to understand how ISA works.
: Show them how to backup & restore their configuration. Give them best
: practices for restricting outbound access and log management, and point
them
: to resources and tools to help them review their logs and determine what
: ports various apps need for access. Show them how to do VPN, beat them
over
: the head with security and as a bonus, I'd throw in a procedure on how to
: use the CMAK to build & deploy custom VPN connectoids . . .
:
: That's not too much to ask for, is it? :^)
:
: --
: Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]
:
: SBS ROCKS!!!
:
: Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
: > Hey folks --
: >
: > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
: > zillions of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures
: > on their ISA/SBS servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to
: > help because they're using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
: >
: > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along
: > the lines of the ISA/Exchange Kit
: > (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
: >
: > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please
: > don't say DSL/PPPoE :-\)
: >
: > Thanks!
:
:



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Thomas

Thomas
Thu Nov 20 07:37:59 CST 2003

Hi SG,

1.. Installing ISA Server 2000 on SBS 2003
2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access
3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4
4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
5.. Creating a VPN Server
6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers and Configuring a Split DNS
7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business Server
8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server
10.. Publishing Terminal Services on the Small Business Server
Thanks!
--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000


"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:OhjgKP0rDHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: I'll turn it around and ask what are the top ten things you get asked but
: cannot answer?
:
: I'm not doing this to be difficult but to ask you to see the question from
: our perspective. We're used to doing a few things I expect 'ISA on a
: standalone' people to not recommend.
:
: We avoid tri-homing (DMZ) because dual homing your primary DC is headache
: enough.
: We avoid web publishing because if we do publish the most likely candidate
: is a service which is also running on the DC, which happens to also have
ISA
: on it.
: We have issues because our public DNS records either point to our external
: ISA interface or worse yet to the external IP address of the simple NAT
: router we put in front of ISA.
:
: On the other hand, the SBS team have given us all these fancy wizards
which
: allow us to reach a basic ISA config without being required to learn the
: intricacies of ISA management.
:
:
: "Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > Hey folks --
: >
: > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
: zillions
: > of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
: ISA/SBS
: > servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because
they're
: > using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
: >
: > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the
: lines
: > of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
: >
: > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't
: say
: > DSL/PPPoE :-\)
: >
: > Thanks!
: > --
: > Tom
: > www.isaserver.org/shinder
: > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
: > Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
: > ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
: > MVP -- ISA Server 2000
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Thomas

Thomas
Thu Nov 20 07:38:22 CST 2003

Hi SG,

:-)

--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000


"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:u#zh0e0rDHA.2340@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: Ohh, and Tom, refer them here (the newsgroup) even if they've been here
and
: didn't get the answer they wanted.
:
: Susan has a well seasoned 2*4.
:
:



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Les

Les
Thu Nov 20 09:22:51 CST 2003

Hi Thomas,

Could you please consider SBS 2003 [premium] as well? I could be wrong, but
I think in the next few months the 2k3 / ISA questions are going to
outnumber the 2k questions considerably. 2k will likely be in use for at
least 2 more years, but it has been around for a while and there is pretty
good peer support available for getting most things working with ISA.

SBS 2k3 on the other hand, is a nut that nobody has had the opportunity to
crack. The remote access features in SBS2k3 are considerably greater in
number and complexity than they were in 2k, out of the box.

While SBS2k3 standard implementation (using RRAS) is very nicely done wizard
wise, using ISA on the box has hardly been tested. We've only just in the
last couple of weeks had access to the 'premium' version release code.

I'd love to see you take a SBS2k3 standard implementation, with all the
remote access goodies enabled - then add ISA to the mix, and document the
changes required to make it work. :-). This document has not been published
by anyone yet, including MS.

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
-------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !



"Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hey folks --
>
> I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
zillions
> of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
ISA/SBS
> servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because they're
> using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
>
> Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the
lines
> of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
>
> What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't
say
> DSL/PPPoE :-\)
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Tom
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
> Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
> ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
> MVP -- ISA Server 2000
>
>
>
>



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Susan

Susan
Thu Nov 20 09:29:58 CST 2003

Some of those the wizards do for you. Run the ICW and it pokes the holes.

When people manually do stuff without going through the Internet
connection wizard THAT's when things get broken.

Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
> Hi Chad,
>
> Great ideas!
>
> The stuff of the "kits" are more "how to" than "why". The goal is to get
> things working and then you can grab a book later if you want to understand
> the why's and wherefores. Also, check out the Exchange and VPN kits
> www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit and
> http://www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/vpnkitbeta2/howtouse.htm which are
> collections of docs on how to perform specific tasks. A lot of the stuff
> you mention seems to fit into the FAQ realm.
>
> Check out the list I have so far, based on my ISAServer.org experience:
> 1.. ISA Server 2000 Quick Setup Guide on Small Business Server
> 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access on the Small Business Server
> 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 on the Small Business Server
> 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
> 5.. Make the Small Business Server a a VPN Server
> 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers
> 7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business Server
> 8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
> 9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server
> This are frequent questions I see at ISAServer.org. I know they are not all
> representative of best practices, but there is a huge demand and people are
> less likely to get into trouble if they know the right way of doing things
> :-)
>
> Thanks!!!
> --
> Tom
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
> Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
> ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
> MVP -- ISA Server 2000
>
>
> "Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]" <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:eOABUozrDHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> : Hi Tom -
> :
> : Just like Susan indicated, we see the same issues you guys see. The
> biggest
> : issue I've seen is people not understanding how ISA works - how the parts
> &
> : pieces fit together to build the various rules, or the difference between
> : packet filters & protocol rules - hence ISA for Dummies. Other common
> : issues include viewing SSL over non-standard ports behind ISA, internet
> : access for VPN clients (no, you cannot configure the VPN client as a
> Secure
> : NAT client . . . :^) or the regular questions about getting voice & video
> : functionality in MSN Messenger to work..
> :
> : If I was going to do an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins, I'd do an ISA
> for
> : Dummies just on how the pieces fit together in order for ISA to do it's
> job.
> : I'd show the SBS Admin how to disable the default BackOffice Internet
> Access
> : rule and create new protocol rules for only the traffic that they want to
> : allow. I'd show them how to configure what ISA logs, where the logs can
> be
> : found, and offer best practices on how often logs should be reviewed. I'd
> : also show them how to backup & restore their ISA configuration, so they
> can
> : experiment with settings and know how to get back to a known working
> : condition if the experiments go awry. Show them how to configure ISA as a
> : VPN server, and discuss the security risks of allowing unmanaged clients
> to
> : create VPN connections.
> :
> : Things to remember with ISA on SBS is that we'll never use web publishing
> : rules, since ISA is on our DC. I can't think of anyone who would
> recommend
> : having a web server on your LAN. We recommend not hosting a public
> website
> : on SBS, but with the increased need for OWA, and the wonderful
> functionality
> : of Remote Web Workplace in SBS 2003, it appears that these SBS's will be
> : hosting sites - so the best we can do now is have everything run over SSL
> so
> : we can keep port 80 closed. Since we also have IIS on our ISA server,
> : SBS'ers won't use SSL-bridging. The majority of SBS sites won't use
> server
> : publishing either, and the ones that do will most likely be publishing a
> : Terminal Server or Citrix Server. Also, because we've got IIS and only a
> : single ISA server, we don't use WPAD with SBS LANs - and we don't do DMZs
> : with ISA either. If we need a DMZ, we put a nat'ing firewall device on
> the
> : perimeter and set up a DMZ completely external to ISA.
> :
> : Really, an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins should be fairly simple &
> : straight-forward. Give them the basic info to understand how ISA works.
> : Show them how to backup & restore their configuration. Give them best
> : practices for restricting outbound access and log management, and point
> them
> : to resources and tools to help them review their logs and determine what
> : ports various apps need for access. Show them how to do VPN, beat them
> over
> : the head with security and as a bonus, I'd throw in a procedure on how to
> : use the CMAK to build & deploy custom VPN connectoids . . .
> :
> : That's not too much to ask for, is it? :^)
> :
> : --
> : Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]
> :
> : SBS ROCKS!!!
> :
> : Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
> : > Hey folks --
> : >
> : > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
> : > zillions of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures
> : > on their ISA/SBS servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to
> : > help because they're using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
> : >
> : > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along
> : > the lines of the ISA/Exchange Kit
> : > (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
> : >
> : > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please
> : > don't say DSL/PPPoE :-\)
> : >
> : > Thanks!
> :
> :
>
>

--
http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm


Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Susan

Susan
Thu Nov 20 09:33:28 CST 2003



Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:

> Hi SG,
>
> 1.. Installing ISA Server 2000 on SBS 2003

That needs to be tightened up IMHO
> 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access
Check out Chad's OWA over SSL
> 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4
There's a wizard for Exchange and Pop [can't remember IMAP]
> 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
Again, wizard opens the port
> 5.. Creating a VPN Server
> 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers and Configuring a Split DNS
We do the two nic/point to the internal DNS all the time
> 7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business Server
Absolutely insane. We're too little and ISP are too robust.
> 8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
Securely is key
> 9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server
Stick the exclude in the IE tools options box....
> 10.. Publishing Terminal Services on the Small Business Server
Again... security... see the info already on www.smallbizserver.net but
I personally don't like straight TS to the web
> Thanks!
> --
> Tom
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
> Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
> ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
> MVP -- ISA Server 2000
>
>
> "SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:OhjgKP0rDHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> : I'll turn it around and ask what are the top ten things you get asked but
> : cannot answer?
> :
> : I'm not doing this to be difficult but to ask you to see the question from
> : our perspective. We're used to doing a few things I expect 'ISA on a
> : standalone' people to not recommend.
> :
> : We avoid tri-homing (DMZ) because dual homing your primary DC is headache
> : enough.
> : We avoid web publishing because if we do publish the most likely candidate
> : is a service which is also running on the DC, which happens to also have
> ISA
> : on it.
> : We have issues because our public DNS records either point to our external
> : ISA interface or worse yet to the external IP address of the simple NAT
> : router we put in front of ISA.
> :
> : On the other hand, the SBS team have given us all these fancy wizards
> which
> : allow us to reach a basic ISA config without being required to learn the
> : intricacies of ISA management.
> :
> :
> : "Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> : > Hey folks --
> : >
> : > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
> : zillions
> : > of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
> : ISA/SBS
> : > servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because
> they're
> : > using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
> : >
> : > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the
> : lines
> : > of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
> : >
> : > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't
> : say
> : > DSL/PPPoE :-\)
> : >
> : > Thanks!
> : > --
> : > Tom
> : > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> : > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
> : > Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
> : > ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
> : > MVP -- ISA Server 2000
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

--
http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm


Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Chad

Chad
Thu Nov 20 10:41:31 CST 2003

Hi Tom - see inline

--
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]

SBS ROCKS!!!

Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
> Check out the list I have so far, based on my ISAServer.org
> experience:
> 1.. ISA Server 2000 Quick Setup Guide on Small Business Server

Run SBS's integrated setup.

> 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access on the Small Business
> Server

If they need OWA, strongly urge them to publish OWA over SSL and keep port
80 closed at all costs.

How do I configure OWA with SSL:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/How_do_I_configure_OWA_with_SSL.aspx

> 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 on the Small Business Server

IMAP is the only one of those protocols that would require an SBS Admin to
even open ISA Management. The ICW configures ISA for SMTP & POP3. SBS
Admins should always use the ICW.

> 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network

Ack! Security dislaimer again please, telling them they're nuts for using
thier DC as a web server. Tell them to assume that the box *will* be
compromised at some point in time, and then take a look at the data they
have on that server & carefully evaluate their position. Web hosting is
cheap.

> 5.. Make the Small Business Server a a VPN Server

http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/How_do_I_configure_the_server_for_remote_access_with_VPN.aspx

I'd suggest 5a. How to configure SBS as both a dial-in & VPN server.

> 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers

A clear majority of SBS Admins (98%+) should never need to even open the DNS
mmc. Again - the SBS integrated setup installs & configures local DNS - and
the ICW configures DNS to use your ISP's DNS servers as forwarders . . .

> 7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business
> Server

Again - disclaimers. I really can't see any reason why an SBS should be a
public DNS server. It has enough going on as it is without handling public
DNS requests. In addition, if you're going to host your own DNS, you need
at least two (if not 3) DNS servers. Nope - SBS admins shouldn't be using
SBS as a public DNS server. There are cheap DNS hosting solutions available
that give the administrator full control over their DNS records so they can
add / edit / remove DNS records at any time, but let someone else's DNS
server do the work.

> 8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server

Ack! Again - this is a DC, and most businesses *only* server holding
confidential information. Allowing FTP to a server on the LAN (let alone
SBS) is a very bad idea. Again, FTP hosting is cheap.

> 9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server

Ok. :^)

> This are frequent questions I see at ISAServer.org. I know they are
> not all representative of best practices, but there is a huge demand
> and people are less likely to get into trouble if they know the right
> way of doing things :-)

If part of the goal is keeping people out of trouble and the right way of
doing things, then for SBS I'd charge that these people need to be aware of
best practices. Because they *will* get into trouble by doing things like
hosting web & ftp sites.

No open port 80. Ever.

If OWA is a must - only over SSL. Preferrably publish OWA using a
non-standard, high-end port and link to OWA from your outsourced web site so
users don't have to remember the port number. They just go to the company
website, browse to a certain page & follow the link for OWA . . .

No FTP server. Absolutely not. Just like the web server, remember that
there is a very good chance that the people asking these questions aren't IT
people or full time admins. It's Joe in accounting that is the most
technically saavy staff member who gets to look after the server, not a
trained IT person familiar with security and aware of the risks inherent of
opening certain services up to the internet.

Direct SBS admins to the ICW. The wizards are our friends in SBS - they
work like wizards are supposed to and make our lives easier. Any
configuration that can be done via a wizard in SBS should be done with the
wizard versus manually configuring it.

First and foremost, security needs to be *the* issue. We don't do certain
things with ISA in SBS - not because it can't handle it, but because we
don't have the luxury of ISA sitting on it's own box. It's usually on our
only server - a DC with IIS, Exchange and confidential data. ISA is great
for egress filtering - but there are certain services that just should not
be opened up to the internet on an SBS.

>
> Thanks!!!
>
> "Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]" <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:eOABUozrDHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Tom -
>>
>> Just like Susan indicated, we see the same issues you guys see. The
>> biggest issue I've seen is people not understanding how ISA works -
>> how the parts & pieces fit together to build the various rules, or
>> the difference between packet filters & protocol rules - hence ISA
>> for Dummies. Other common issues include viewing SSL over
>> non-standard ports behind ISA, internet access for VPN clients (no,
>> you cannot configure the VPN client as a Secure NAT client . . . :^)
>> or the regular questions about getting voice & video functionality
>> in MSN Messenger to work..
>>
>> If I was going to do an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins, I'd do an
>> ISA for Dummies just on how the pieces fit together in order for ISA
>> to do it's job. I'd show the SBS Admin how to disable the default
>> BackOffice Internet Access rule and create new protocol rules for
>> only the traffic that they want to allow. I'd show them how to
>> configure what ISA logs, where the logs can be found, and offer best
>> practices on how often logs should be reviewed. I'd also show them
>> how to backup & restore their ISA configuration, so they can
>> experiment with settings and know how to get back to a known working
>> condition if the experiments go awry. Show them how to configure
>> ISA as a VPN server, and discuss the security risks of allowing
>> unmanaged clients to create VPN connections.
>>
>> Things to remember with ISA on SBS is that we'll never use web
>> publishing rules, since ISA is on our DC. I can't think of anyone
>> who would recommend having a web server on your LAN. We recommend
>> not hosting a public website on SBS, but with the increased need for
>> OWA, and the wonderful functionality of Remote Web Workplace in SBS
>> 2003, it appears that these SBS's will be hosting sites - so the
>> best we can do now is have everything run over SSL so we can keep
>> port 80 closed. Since we also have IIS on our ISA server, SBS'ers
>> won't use SSL-bridging. The majority of SBS sites won't use server
>> publishing either, and the ones that do will most likely be
>> publishing a Terminal Server or Citrix Server. Also, because we've
>> got IIS and only a single ISA server, we don't use WPAD with SBS
>> LANs - and we don't do DMZs with ISA either. If we need a DMZ, we
>> put a nat'ing firewall device on the perimeter and set up a DMZ
>> completely external to ISA.
>>
>> Really, an ISA deployment kit for SBS Admins should be fairly simple
>> & straight-forward. Give them the basic info to understand how ISA
>> works. Show them how to backup & restore their configuration. Give
>> them best practices for restricting outbound access and log
>> management, and point them to resources and tools to help them
>> review their logs and determine what ports various apps need for
>> access. Show them how to do VPN, beat them over the head with
>> security and as a bonus, I'd throw in a procedure on how to use the
>> CMAK to build & deploy custom VPN connectoids . . .
>>
>> That's not too much to ask for, is it? :^)
>>
>> --
>> Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]
>>
>> SBS ROCKS!!!
>>
>> Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
>>> Hey folks --
>>>
>>> I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
>>> zillions of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures
>>> on their ISA/SBS servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how
>>> to help because they're using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
>>>
>>> Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along
>>> the lines of the ISA/Exchange Kit
>>> (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
>>>
>>> What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please
>>> don't say DSL/PPPoE :-\)
>>>
>>> Thanks!



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Chad

Chad
Thu Nov 20 10:44:02 CST 2003

Hi Tom -

The ICW will create the necessary packet filters to publish TS. Again - no
need for the admin to even open ISA Management on this one.

--
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]

SBS ROCKS!!!

Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
> Hi SG,
>
> 1.. Installing ISA Server 2000 on SBS 2003
> 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access
> 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4
> 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
> 5.. Creating a VPN Server
> 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers and Configuring a
> Split DNS
> 7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business
> Server
> 8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
> 9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server
> 10.. Publishing Terminal Services on the Small Business Server
> Thanks!
>
> "SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:OhjgKP0rDHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> I'll turn it around and ask what are the top ten things you get
>> asked but cannot answer?
>>
>> I'm not doing this to be difficult but to ask you to see the
>> question from our perspective. We're used to doing a few things I
>> expect 'ISA on a standalone' people to not recommend.
>>
>> We avoid tri-homing (DMZ) because dual homing your primary DC is
>> headache enough.
>> We avoid web publishing because if we do publish the most likely
>> candidate is a service which is also running on the DC, which
>> happens to also have ISA on it.
>> We have issues because our public DNS records either point to our
>> external ISA interface or worse yet to the external IP address of
>> the simple NAT router we put in front of ISA.
>>
>> On the other hand, the SBS team have given us all these fancy
>> wizards which allow us to reach a basic ISA config without being
>> required to learn the intricacies of ISA management.
>>
>>
>> "Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Hey folks --
>>>
>>> I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
>>> zillions of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures
>>> on their ISA/SBS servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how
>>> to help because they're using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
>>>
>>> Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along
>>> the lines of the ISA/Exchange Kit
>>> (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
>>>
>>> What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please
>>> don't say DSL/PPPoE :-\)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --
>>> Tom
>>> www.isaserver.org/shinder
>>> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
>>> Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
>>> ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
>>> MVP -- ISA Server 2000



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Mariette

Mariette
Thu Nov 20 11:20:23 CST 2003

In news:OUZ$nU4rDHA.3436@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP] <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote:

> Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
>> Check out the list I have so far, based on my ISAServer.org
>> experience:
>> 1.. ISA Server 2000 Quick Setup Guide on Small Business Server
>
> Run SBS's integrated setup.
>
>> 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access on the Small Business
>> Server
>
> If they need OWA, strongly urge them to publish OWA over SSL and keep
> port 80 closed at all costs.
>
> How do I configure OWA with SSL:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/How_do_I_configure_OWA_with_SSL.aspx
>
>> 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 on the Small Business
>> Server
>
> IMAP is the only one of those protocols that would require an SBS
> Admin to even open ISA Management. The ICW configures ISA for SMTP &
> POP3. SBS Admins should always use the ICW.

Hmmm, could not resist to jump into this thread. I think communication is
the word that is causing a lot of confusion now. Tom is talking about
*publishing* services to the outside world and not opening ports using
Packet Filters. That *is* where all confusion comes from in the SBS world.
Because SBS and ISA are on one box many server or web publishing just don't
work as you would expect on a ISA box that does not have the services hosted
we have on our SBS servers.

Disabling socket pooling is one of the things that *must* be done by default
if you to use *any* server publishing rule on ISA or you will end up with
unexpected behaviour and/or things just don't work.

Take a look here:

The Misery of IIS 5.0 Socket Pooling.:
http://www.isaserver.org/tutorials/The_Misery_of_IIS_50_Socket_Pooling.html

I have done so much research in the past of the effects of disabling socket
pooling and using Publishing Rules that I can tell you that there is only
one good solution; a seperate dedicated ISA server in front of ISA and that
is *it*.

Future versions of ISA on Windows 2003 may make things easier for us...

--
Mariëtte Knap - MVP
http://www.smallbizserver.net



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Mariette

Mariette
Thu Nov 20 11:27:48 CST 2003

In news:#50Smu3rDHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
>
>> Hi SG,
>>
>> 1.. Installing ISA Server 2000 on SBS 2003
>
> That needs to be tightened up IMHO
>> 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access
> Check out Chad's OWA over SSL
>> 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4
> There's a wizard for Exchange and Pop [can't remember IMAP]

No, it does not do publishing. It opens ports. Publishing ISA is a great
idea but when you do that a lot of spam blocking programs don't work anymore
because seems to come from a Proxy and that does not work.

>> 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
> Again, wizard opens the port

You see, it does not publish a site, it opens ports!

>> 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers and Configuring a
>> Split DNS
> We do the two nic/point to the internal DNS all the time

I think Tom means something else. If you have two remote offices joint by
VPN and be able to browse both networks you have to do split DNS and *that*
is complicated. Done that once...pfew :-)


--
Mariëtte Knap - MVP
http://www.smallbizserver.net



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Mariette

Mariette
Thu Nov 20 11:45:09 CST 2003

In news:e$hUCW4rDHA.540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP] <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote:

> The ICW will create the necessary packet filters to publish TS.
> Again - no need for the admin to even open ISA Management on this one.

It does *not* publish Terminal Services. In ISA ports are opened when you
run the ICW, nothing else. That *is* a big difference.

--
Mariëtte Knap - MVP
http://www.smallbizserver.net



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Chad

Chad
Thu Nov 20 11:50:41 CST 2003

How right you are . . . I had overlooked that key phrase. As you mentioned
earlier, socket pooling is one of our big hurdles.

While I recognize & appreciate the difference you are pointing out, I still
maintain that for the majority of SBS shops it is not wise to make certain
services available to the internet, whether it is done via publishing or
opening ports. But then again, maybe I've been hanging around Susan too
long ;^)

As always - Thanks Mariette!

--
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]

SBS ROCKS!!!

Mariette Knap [SBS MVP] wrote:
> In news:e$hUCW4rDHA.540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP] <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> The ICW will create the necessary packet filters to publish TS.
>> Again - no need for the admin to even open ISA Management on this
>> one.
>
> It does *not* publish Terminal Services. In ISA ports are opened when
> you run the ICW, nothing else. That *is* a big difference.



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Mariette

Mariette
Thu Nov 20 12:12:01 CST 2003

In news:uVX9R74rDHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP] <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote:

> How right you are . . . I had overlooked that key phrase. As you
> mentioned earlier, socket pooling is one of our big hurdles.
>
> While I recognize & appreciate the difference you are pointing out, I
> still maintain that for the majority of SBS shops it is not wise to
> make certain services available to the internet, whether it is done
> via publishing or opening ports. But then again, maybe I've been
> hanging around Susan too long ;^)

I do understand the concerns about making services public but sometimes you
have to or want to. Publishing a service is way more secure then just
opening ports. For example:

Ordinary users don't understand anything about VPN connections or whatever.
When they are at home and want to use Outlook to connect to the server they
just want to click on the Outlook icon on their desktop and everything
should work. As you understand that will not work, they have to connect to
the server using the VPN connectoid.

I use RPC publishing rules already for years and never had any trouble with
Blaster or whatever. Why? I use ISA's publishing rules and that makes life
so easy for all those users that call you 'it does not work'.... :-))))

Using the Exchange RPC Filter to Publish Microsoft Exchange:
http://www.isaserver.org/tutorials/Using_the_Exchange_RPC_Filter_to_Publish_Microsoft_Exchange.html

In SBS 2003 you can even use RPC over HTTP which is even easier to
configure.

Using Packet Filters for RPC traffic would cause a disaster.

BTW, security is not something easy that can be managed by parttime SBS
administrators. It requires a lot of skill to fully understand what you can
do and can't do on a SBS server to improove security and still keep the
system as functional as possible.

Just as an example; if you have an appendicitis you can have it removed by
the local butcher but I prefer something else :-)

Gonna take a bath now...

--
Mariëtte Knap - MVP
http://www.smallbizserver.net



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Thomas

Thomas
Thu Nov 20 14:51:08 CST 2003

Hi Les,

Excellent suggestions!

Thanks!
--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000


"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" <les.connor@cfiveDEL.ca> wrote in message
news:ek9wio3rDHA.1784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Hi Thomas,
:
: Could you please consider SBS 2003 [premium] as well? I could be wrong,
but
: I think in the next few months the 2k3 / ISA questions are going to
: outnumber the 2k questions considerably. 2k will likely be in use for at
: least 2 more years, but it has been around for a while and there is pretty
: good peer support available for getting most things working with ISA.
:
: SBS 2k3 on the other hand, is a nut that nobody has had the opportunity
to
: crack. The remote access features in SBS2k3 are considerably greater in
: number and complexity than they were in 2k, out of the box.
:
: While SBS2k3 standard implementation (using RRAS) is very nicely done
wizard
: wise, using ISA on the box has hardly been tested. We've only just in the
: last couple of weeks had access to the 'premium' version release code.
:
: I'd love to see you take a SBS2k3 standard implementation, with all the
: remote access goodies enabled - then add ISA to the mix, and document the
: changes required to make it work. :-). This document has not been
published
: by anyone yet, including MS.
:
: --
: Les Connor [SBS MVP]
: -------------------------------------
: SBS Rocks !
:
:
:
: "Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > Hey folks --
: >
: > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
: zillions
: > of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
: ISA/SBS
: > servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because
they're
: > using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
: >
: > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along the
: lines
: > of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
: >
: > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please don't
: say
: > DSL/PPPoE :-\)
: >
: > Thanks!
: > --
: > Tom
: > www.isaserver.org/shinder
: > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
: > Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
: > ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
: > MVP -- ISA Server 2000
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Thomas

Thomas
Thu Nov 20 14:57:55 CST 2003

Hi Susan,

Thanks!

When you say a Wizard opens a port (www.tacteam.net/openport.htm), do you
mean it creates a Web Publishing Rule to the internal Web site?

ISA 2000 doesn't come with Standard Edition 2003, right? So a lot of
guidance would be required here?

I get a lot of questions on how to publish DNS. Very easy to do and even the
Pro's will publish their public DNS. There are issues if the publicly
available site and the privately available site have the same name, in which
case a split DNS is required. But it is a common issue, and I thought it
might be good to teach them how to do it right.

DNS issues go into a bit more detail than pointing the machine to use its
internal interface, configuring how clients on the internal network use DNS.
blah. This seems to generate a lot of questions and its not super intuitive
on how to do it right and get it working.

There are some better ways to configure Direct Access than entering the
exclude in IE, so here's some value add already :-)

Straight TS using 128bit encryption is perfectly secure. At least as secure
as SSL, and no one ever questions SSL security (well, almost no one) :-)

Thanks!
--
Tom
www.isaserver.org/shinder
ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
MVP -- ISA Server 2000


"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
wrote in message news:#50Smu3rDHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
:
:
: Thomas W Shinder [MVP] wrote:
:
: > Hi SG,
: >
: > 1.. Installing ISA Server 2000 on SBS 2003
:
: That needs to be tightened up IMHO
: > 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access
: Check out Chad's OWA over SSL
: > 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4
: There's a wizard for Exchange and Pop [can't remember IMAP]
: > 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
: Again, wizard opens the port
: > 5.. Creating a VPN Server
: > 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers and Configuring a Split
DNS
: We do the two nic/point to the internal DNS all the time
: > 7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business
Server
: Absolutely insane. We're too little and ISP are too robust.
: > 8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
: Securely is key
: > 9.. Using FrontPage with Small Business Server
: Stick the exclude in the IE tools options box....
: > 10.. Publishing Terminal Services on the Small Business Server
: Again... security... see the info already on www.smallbizserver.net but
: I personally don't like straight TS to the web
: > Thanks!
: > --
: > Tom
: > www.isaserver.org/shinder
: > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
: > Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
: > ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
: > MVP -- ISA Server 2000
: >
: >
: > "SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
: > news:OhjgKP0rDHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > : I'll turn it around and ask what are the top ten things you get asked
but
: > : cannot answer?
: > :
: > : I'm not doing this to be difficult but to ask you to see the question
from
: > : our perspective. We're used to doing a few things I expect 'ISA on a
: > : standalone' people to not recommend.
: > :
: > : We avoid tri-homing (DMZ) because dual homing your primary DC is
headache
: > : enough.
: > : We avoid web publishing because if we do publish the most likely
candidate
: > : is a service which is also running on the DC, which happens to also
have
: > ISA
: > : on it.
: > : We have issues because our public DNS records either point to our
external
: > : ISA interface or worse yet to the external IP address of the simple
NAT
: > : router we put in front of ISA.
: > :
: > : On the other hand, the SBS team have given us all these fancy wizards
: > which
: > : allow us to reach a basic ISA config without being required to learn
the
: > : intricacies of ISA management.
: > :
: > :
: > : "Thomas W Shinder [MVP]" <tshinder@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : news:udPaS0xrDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > : > Hey folks --
: > : >
: > : > I've had it. And I can't take the pain and sadness any more. We get
: > : zillions
: > : > of requests from SBS users about problem/issues/procedures on their
: > : ISA/SBS
: > : > servers. No one at ISAServer.org really knows how to help because
: > they're
: > : > using ISA as a dedicated firewall.
: > : >
: > : > Time to fix things. I'm going to do a ISA/SBS Deployment Kit along
the
: > : lines
: > : > of the ISA/Exchange Kit (www.tacteam.net/isaserverorg/exchangekit)
: > : >
: > : > What are the top ten issues you encounter with ISA and SBS (please
don't
: > : say
: > : > DSL/PPPoE :-\)
: > : >
: > : > Thanks!
: > : > --
: > : > Tom
: > : > www.isaserver.org/shinder
: > : > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1
: > : > Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp
: > : > ISA Server and Beyond Seminars - http://tinyurl.com/9sce
: > : > MVP -- ISA Server 2000
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
: --
: http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
:



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by Chad

Chad
Thu Nov 20 15:16:10 CST 2003

I agree completely Mariette - sometime services are necessary, and the risks
are acceptible. Education is half the battle - and I'd like to think that
we could spare a few lines to make sure those part-time SBS admins realize
that there is risk involved. Then if they determine the risk is acceptible,
here is how to best provide these services. I personally think that is the
only responsible way to do it, versus just showing them how to do it without
giving them at least a heads up that there are potential security issues . .
.

All IMHO of course . . . :^)

--
Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP]

SBS ROCKS!!!

Mariette Knap [SBS MVP] wrote:
> In news:uVX9R74rDHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
> Chad A Gross [SBS-MVP] <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> How right you are . . . I had overlooked that key phrase. As you
>> mentioned earlier, socket pooling is one of our big hurdles.
>>
>> While I recognize & appreciate the difference you are pointing out, I
>> still maintain that for the majority of SBS shops it is not wise to
>> make certain services available to the internet, whether it is done
>> via publishing or opening ports. But then again, maybe I've been
>> hanging around Susan too long ;^)
>
> I do understand the concerns about making services public but
> sometimes you
> have to or want to. Publishing a service is way more secure then just
> opening ports. For example:
>
> Ordinary users don't understand anything about VPN connections or
> whatever.
> When they are at home and want to use Outlook to connect to the
> server they
> just want to click on the Outlook icon on their desktop and everything
> should work. As you understand that will not work, they have to
> connect to
> the server using the VPN connectoid.
>
> I use RPC publishing rules already for years and never had any
> trouble with
> Blaster or whatever. Why? I use ISA's publishing rules and that makes
> life
> so easy for all those users that call you 'it does not work'....
> :-))))
>
> Using the Exchange RPC Filter to Publish Microsoft Exchange:
>
http://www.isaserver.org/tutorials/Using_the_Exchange_RPC_Filter_to_Publish_Microsoft_Exchange.html
>
> In SBS 2003 you can even use RPC over HTTP which is even easier to
> configure.
>
> Using Packet Filters for RPC traffic would cause a disaster.
>
> BTW, security is not something easy that can be managed by parttime
> SBS
> administrators. It requires a lot of skill to fully understand what
> you can
> do and can't do on a SBS server to improove security and still keep
> the
> system as functional as possible.
>
> Just as an example; if you have an appendicitis you can have it
> removed by
> the local butcher but I prefer something else :-)
>
> Gonna take a bath now...



Re: ISA Server 2000 SBS Deployment Kit by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Thu Nov 20 16:12:12 CST 2003

> > 1.. Installing ISA Server 2000 on SBS 2003
>
> That needs to be tightened up IMHO

Yes, I'm just about to do this in VMWare, just for practice. The actual
install is easy, configuration of ISA to allow 2K3 functions to be accessed
externally needs work. I'll be documenting what I can for my own purposes
and probably asking opinions in microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs when I
do some items where my opinion differs to a colleague's. Watch these spaces.

> > 2.. Publishing Exchange Outlook Web Access
> Check out Chad's OWA over SSL

I'm sure Chad can be persuaded to update this doco for 2K3 :-)

> > 3.. Publishing Exchange SMTP/POP3/IMAP4
> There's a wizard for Exchange and Pop [can't remember IMAP]

There's a wiz for smtp and pop packet filters, not IMAP. Publishing the
ports is different again.

NOTE: (and question, I suppose) When publishing Exch SMTP and enabling
filtering the default ISA SMTP/ESMTP command set result in a significant
percentage of remote mail servers NOT being able to complete ESMTP
transactions with Exch and NOT falling back correctly to SMTP, result mail
limbo. It's actually a failure of the remote system to fallback to SMTP
correctly but it only happens when ISA SMTP filtering is enabled.

> > 4.. Publishing a Web Site on the Internal Network
> Again, wizard opens the port

I can't see how this differs from a standard ISA setup, whether the
published server is the internal interface or a seperate internal machine.

Actually Tom, we prefer not to promote use of either and this is where our
simple NAT router in front of ISA adds functionality.

Internet
|
|
NAT router - - Webserver (available via port forwarding from the router)
|
|
ISA on SBS
|
|
LAN

Then again, remember, we're SMB's. In most cases the additional cost of
running our own webservers and maintaining their security compares badly to
having our site hosted by our ISP.

> > 5.. Creating a VPN Server

I'll ask you to expand on this one and how it may differ to a standard ISA
config.

I'm a bit of a heretic and don't do this 'the Middleton way', which I'm not
sure is the ISAServer.org way.

> > 6.. DNS Support for ISA/Small Business Servers and Configuring a Split
DNS
> We do the two nic/point to the internal DNS all the time
> > 7.. Publishing a Public DNS Server Located on the Small Business
Server
> Absolutely insane. We're too little and ISP are too robust.

ANYBODY who thinks they are both an SBS site and that it is desirable for
them to host their public DNS is a fool. I doubt you'll get much assistance
on these two.

BUT then, IMHO, even big boys should leave this to others.

> > 8.. Publishing an FTP Server on Located on the Small Business Server
> Securely is key

Again, I don't see how this differs from standard ISA.

NOTE: If the FTP server is running on SBS you do not have the option of
creating local machine accounts (it's a DC) so IIS FTP accounts must be
domain members, NO THANKS. This is probably the primary reason I suggest to
use Serv-U which has its own account database. or better yet, chuck it in
the NAT router's D