SBS2k CALs cover Win2003 server???

Since Win2k3 came out many of us (including me) have been saying that SBS
CALs do not cover additional Win2k3 servers... maybe we are wrong.

I have stumbled across this today... and I would like your comments on this:

http://www.microsoft.com/australia/partner/productsinfo/technologyupdate/archive/whyaddwinserver2003.asp
"The SBS 2000 CAL covers you for additional Windows 2000 servers, but here's
something you probably didn't know - it also covers you for Windows Server
2003 servers. As far as I know, this hasn't been officially documented
anywhere, but you print this out and keep it in safe place for future
reference. Don't just bookmark it - I can come back and edit this out later,
then deny all knowledge of it."

I mean... it's from MS right??? Enough legal support?

-Javier

Steve
Tue Aug 12 04:55:34 CDT 2003

Javier Gomez wrote:

> Since Win2k3 came out many of us (including me) have been saying that
> SBS CALs do not cover additional Win2k3 servers... maybe we are wrong.
>
> I have stumbled across this today... and I would like your comments
> on this:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/australia/partner/productsinfo/technologyupda
> te/archive/whyaddwinserver2003.asp "The SBS 2000 CAL covers you for
> additional Windows 2000 servers, but here's something you probably
> didn't know - it also covers you for Windows Server 2003 servers. As
> far as I know, this hasn't been officially documented anywhere, but
> you print this out and keep it in safe place for future reference.
> Don't just bookmark it - I can come back and edit this out later,
> then deny all knowledge of it."
>
> I mean... it's from MS right??? Enough legal support?
>
> -Javier

While Mark O'Shea is a pretty darn reliable source (since he does work
for MS!), he hasn't backed up his words with any evidence. Indeed, the
comment about saving the page is telling!

We have other postings from MS personnel indicating that it is not
covered.

I know I'm not prepared to roll out any Win2003 servers in SBS2000
environments without purchasing CALs.

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John
Tue Aug 12 06:15:34 CDT 2003

Out of interest, does anyone know how many member servers SBS Cals cover?

I thought it was just the one? I am hoping to add a Win2k3 server as an app
/ filestore server soon in addition to our existing Win2k server.

John

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:eyC3HIGYDHA.652@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Since Win2k3 came out many of us (including me) have been saying that SBS
> CALs do not cover additional Win2k3 servers... maybe we are wrong.
>
> I have stumbled across this today... and I would like your comments on
this:
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/australia/partner/productsinfo/technologyupdate/archive/whyaddwinserver2003.asp
> "The SBS 2000 CAL covers you for additional Windows 2000 servers, but
here's
> something you probably didn't know - it also covers you for Windows Server
> 2003 servers. As far as I know, this hasn't been officially documented
> anywhere, but you print this out and keep it in safe place for future
> reference. Don't just bookmark it - I can come back and edit this out
later,
> then deny all knowledge of it."
>
> I mean... it's from MS right??? Enough legal support?
>
> -Javier
>
>

Javier
Tue Aug 12 06:30:57 CDT 2003

> Out of interest, does anyone know how many member servers SBS Cals cover?

You can add all the member severs that you want... as long you have SBS CALs
for them (so the maximum will be 49 servers + 1 workstations... using the
max 50 CALs).

Javier
Tue Aug 12 06:38:50 CDT 2003

I feel the same way... but it makes you wonder.

MS spends millions in making OS that are more user-friendly.... why on earth
Licensing has to be so darn difficult (and different with each new
version)???

-JG

> While Mark O'Shea is a pretty darn reliable source (since he does work
> for MS!), he hasn't backed up his words with any evidence. Indeed, the
> comment about saving the page is telling!
>
> We have other postings from MS personnel indicating that it is not
> covered.
>
> I know I'm not prepared to roll out any Win2003 servers in SBS2000
> environments without purchasing CALs.
>
> --
> Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
> ---------------------------------------
> MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.

John
Tue Aug 12 07:06:44 CDT 2003

I C, I agree with your Licencing comments, surely they must be able to
inplement a better, clearer way of managing licences in SBS now.

John

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove-this-bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:%23%23%23d%23UMYDHA.2136@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Out of interest, does anyone know how many member servers SBS Cals
cover?
>
> You can add all the member severs that you want... as long you have SBS
CALs
> for them (so the maximum will be 49 servers + 1 workstations... using the
> max 50 CALs).
>
>

Steve
Tue Aug 12 08:01:21 CDT 2003

Javier Gomez wrote:

> I feel the same way... but it makes you wonder.
>
> MS spends millions in making OS that are more user-friendly.... why
> on earth Licensing has to be so darn difficult (and different with
> each new version)???
>

Because Lawyers are involved. Anything to do with lawyers immediately
becomes 10 times more complicated than it needs to be, 10 times more
expensive than it need to be and is described with mumbo-jumbo legalese
jargon that no-one but lawyers can understand (meaning yet more people
have to use 'em).


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