We have a number of remote users that access the system via dial up account
to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the problems that have been
exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the recommended way to secure
these clients from attacks from viruses and port scanning etc..

I must point out that all the machine's have av software loaded and they
have the latest updates automatically installed. Is the only way to have
ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software loaded on the machines. What
do you guys use. I would normally expect remote users to have a hardware
firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld accounts then they are
unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?

TIA
Dave

Re: Remote User protect by David

David
Wed Aug 20 10:54:06 CDT 2003

Kevin,

Thanks for the response. I am mealy looking to protect the remote clients.
The server and the internal network is protect. I am looking suggestions
for the remote clients to stop the "messenger" spam note that come up and
any hacking attempts on only the remote machines.

Thanks
Dave

"KevinC" <kcashion@fflc.com> wrote in message
news:0e5001c3672b$a5db8e70$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >We have a number of remote users that access the system
> via dial up account
> >to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the
> problems that have been
> >exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the
> recommended way to secure
> >these clients from attacks from viruses and port
> scanning etc..
> >
> >I must point out that all the machine's have av software
> loaded and they
> >have the latest updates automatically installed. Is the
> only way to have
> >ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software loaded on
> the machines. What
> >do you guys use. I would normally expect remote users
> to have a hardware
> >firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld
> accounts then they are
> >unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?
> >
> >TIA
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >.
> >To protect the clients from future problems I would
> impose a software firewall and make sure that port 135 is
> blocked. But really, if you have applied the update from
> Microsoft then this particular worm is protected.
>
> To protect the server, assuming you have a firewall, then
> you most likely have this port blocked by default, or
> should. Also applying the Microsoft patch at the server
> give you second level protection.



Re: Remote User protect by Les

Les
Wed Aug 20 11:09:05 CDT 2003

Hi David,

I like Trend products. In fact, I really like Trend products I haven't used
the newest offering extensively yet, but I can tell you that Officescan 5.5
(for SBS2k) offers very nice protection capability for mobile and/or remote
users.

Another very good Trend product is pc-cillin. One advantage of pc-cillin for
mobile or remote users is that it has built in firewall capabilities. At
about $50 canadian bucks per box it's quite reasonably priced considering
how well it's put together.

--
Les Connor
------------------
[SBS MVP]



"David Taylor" <nospaming@t.com> wrote in message
news:evfsKNzZDHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Kevin,
>
> Thanks for the response. I am mealy looking to protect the remote
clients.
> The server and the internal network is protect. I am looking suggestions
> for the remote clients to stop the "messenger" spam note that come up and
> any hacking attempts on only the remote machines.
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
> "KevinC" <kcashion@fflc.com> wrote in message
> news:0e5001c3672b$a5db8e70$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >We have a number of remote users that access the system
> > via dial up account
> > >to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the
> > problems that have been
> > >exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the
> > recommended way to secure
> > >these clients from attacks from viruses and port
> > scanning etc..
> > >
> > >I must point out that all the machine's have av software
> > loaded and they
> > >have the latest updates automatically installed. Is the
> > only way to have
> > >ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software loaded on
> > the machines. What
> > >do you guys use. I would normally expect remote users
> > to have a hardware
> > >firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld
> > accounts then they are
> > >unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >TIA
> > >Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >To protect the clients from future problems I would
> > impose a software firewall and make sure that port 135 is
> > blocked. But really, if you have applied the update from
> > Microsoft then this particular worm is protected.
> >
> > To protect the server, assuming you have a firewall, then
> > you most likely have this port blocked by default, or
> > should. Also applying the Microsoft patch at the server
> > give you second level protection.
>
>



Re: Remote User protect by KevinC

KevinC
Wed Aug 20 12:34:17 CDT 2003


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi David,
>
>I like Trend products. In fact, I really like Trend
products I haven't used
>the newest offering extensively yet, but I can tell you
that Officescan 5.5
>(for SBS2k) offers very nice protection capability for
mobile and/or remote
>users.
>
>Another very good Trend product is pc-cillin. One
advantage of pc-cillin for
>mobile or remote users is that it has built in firewall
capabilities. At
>about $50 canadian bucks per box it's quite reasonably
priced considering
>how well it's put together.
>
>--
>Les Connor
>------------------
>[SBS MVP]
>
>
>
>"David Taylor" <nospaming@t.com> wrote in message
>news:evfsKNzZDHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I am mealy looking to
protect the remote
>clients.
>> The server and the internal network is protect. I am
looking suggestions
>> for the remote clients to stop the "messenger" spam
note that come up and
>> any hacking attempts on only the remote machines.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>> "KevinC" <kcashion@fflc.com> wrote in message
>> news:0e5001c3672b$a5db8e70$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >We have a number of remote users that access the
system
>> > via dial up account
>> > >to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the
>> > problems that have been
>> > >exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the
>> > recommended way to secure
>> > >these clients from attacks from viruses and port
>> > scanning etc..
>> > >
>> > >I must point out that all the machine's have av
software
>> > loaded and they
>> > >have the latest updates automatically installed.
Is the
>> > only way to have
>> > >ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software
loaded on
>> > the machines. What
>> > >do you guys use. I would normally expect remote
users
>> > to have a hardware
>> > >firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld
>> > accounts then they are
>> > >unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?
>> > >
>> > >TIA
>> > >Dave
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >.
>> > >To protect the clients from future problems I would
>> > impose a software firewall and make sure that port
135 is
>> > blocked. But really, if you have applied the update
from
>> > Microsoft then this particular worm is protected.
>> >
>> > To protect the server, assuming you have a firewall,
then
>> > you most likely have this port blocked by default, or
>> > should. Also applying the Microsoft patch at the
server
>> > give you second level protection.
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>Me again - about that "messenger spam" on client
machines (unless you are dependant on actual messaging
from server to client) not Windows Messenger or MSN
messenger . . . got to XP remote machines, open Services,
then stop service called "Messenger", get properties on
it, and make startup type Manual. This will end that
annoying messenger spam for good.

Re: Remote User protect by Dave

Dave
Wed Aug 20 12:45:12 CDT 2003

I totally agree with Les about the Trend products. The OfficeScan client is
basically Pc-cillin built to integrate with the local server rather than the
Trend servers, but without the firewall capability. The client (if granted
permission) has options to update pattern file and scan engine directly from
Trend via the internet by switching a setting from the tray icon. Very
easy.

DS

"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" <les.connor@cfiveDEL.ca> wrote in message
news:Oeg9hVzZDHA.2668@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi David,
>
> I like Trend products. In fact, I really like Trend products I haven't
used
> the newest offering extensively yet, but I can tell you that Officescan
5.5
> (for SBS2k) offers very nice protection capability for mobile and/or
remote
> users.
>
> Another very good Trend product is pc-cillin. One advantage of pc-cillin
for
> mobile or remote users is that it has built in firewall capabilities. At
> about $50 canadian bucks per box it's quite reasonably priced considering
> how well it's put together.
>
> --
> Les Connor
> ------------------
> [SBS MVP]
>
>
>
> "David Taylor" <nospaming@t.com> wrote in message
> news:evfsKNzZDHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Kevin,
> >
> > Thanks for the response. I am mealy looking to protect the remote
> clients.
> > The server and the internal network is protect. I am looking
suggestions
> > for the remote clients to stop the "messenger" spam note that come up
and
> > any hacking attempts on only the remote machines.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> > "KevinC" <kcashion@fflc.com> wrote in message
> > news:0e5001c3672b$a5db8e70$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >We have a number of remote users that access the system
> > > via dial up account
> > > >to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the
> > > problems that have been
> > > >exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the
> > > recommended way to secure
> > > >these clients from attacks from viruses and port
> > > scanning etc..
> > > >
> > > >I must point out that all the machine's have av software
> > > loaded and they
> > > >have the latest updates automatically installed. Is the
> > > only way to have
> > > >ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software loaded on
> > > the machines. What
> > > >do you guys use. I would normally expect remote users
> > > to have a hardware
> > > >firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld
> > > accounts then they are
> > > >unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >TIA
> > > >Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >To protect the clients from future problems I would
> > > impose a software firewall and make sure that port 135 is
> > > blocked. But really, if you have applied the update from
> > > Microsoft then this particular worm is protected.
> > >
> > > To protect the server, assuming you have a firewall, then
> > > you most likely have this port blocked by default, or
> > > should. Also applying the Microsoft patch at the server
> > > give you second level protection.
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Remote User protect by Susan

Susan
Wed Aug 20 21:37:45 CDT 2003

Sorry Kevin...but man this is a really big pet peeve on my part.

That messenger spam is a symptom that you need a firewall dude.

Okay... we have a remote user...they VPN in... let's say they don't have
a firewall and have any of the 135-139 ports open... until Msblast made
everyone patch, you could have literally thrown a script [freely
available on several web sites] and gotten to a c: prompt on that system

If the remote client doesn't have it's ports in "battle ready mode" then
the minute that laptop connects via VPN, the firewall on that SBS has no
powers any more... whatever gets into that non-firewalled laptop, gets
into that server.

Don't shut off that messenger service..it is trying to tell you that
you've got holes in your remote user systems.

No laptop in my office goes out without a firewall.

KevinC wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi David,
> >
> >I like Trend products. In fact, I really like Trend
> products I haven't used
> >the newest offering extensively yet, but I can tell you
> that Officescan 5.5
> >(for SBS2k) offers very nice protection capability for
> mobile and/or remote
> >users.
> >
> >Another very good Trend product is pc-cillin. One
> advantage of pc-cillin for
> >mobile or remote users is that it has built in firewall
> capabilities. At
> >about $50 canadian bucks per box it's quite reasonably
> priced considering
> >how well it's put together.
> >
> >--
> >Les Connor
> >------------------
> >[SBS MVP]
> >
> >
> >
> >"David Taylor" <nospaming@t.com> wrote in message
> >news:evfsKNzZDHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> Kevin,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the response. I am mealy looking to
> protect the remote
> >clients.
> >> The server and the internal network is protect. I am
> looking suggestions
> >> for the remote clients to stop the "messenger" spam
> note that come up and
> >> any hacking attempts on only the remote machines.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> "KevinC" <kcashion@fflc.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0e5001c3672b$a5db8e70$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> >> >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >We have a number of remote users that access the
> system
> >> > via dial up account
> >> > >to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the
> >> > problems that have been
> >> > >exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the
> >> > recommended way to secure
> >> > >these clients from attacks from viruses and port
> >> > scanning etc..
> >> > >
> >> > >I must point out that all the machine's have av
> software
> >> > loaded and they
> >> > >have the latest updates automatically installed.
> Is the
> >> > only way to have
> >> > >ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software
> loaded on
> >> > the machines. What
> >> > >do you guys use. I would normally expect remote
> users
> >> > to have a hardware
> >> > >firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld
> >> > accounts then they are
> >> > >unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?
> >> > >
> >> > >TIA
> >> > >Dave
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >.
> >> > >To protect the clients from future problems I would
> >> > impose a software firewall and make sure that port
> 135 is
> >> > blocked. But really, if you have applied the update
> from
> >> > Microsoft then this particular worm is protected.
> >> >
> >> > To protect the server, assuming you have a firewall,
> then
> >> > you most likely have this port blocked by default, or
> >> > should. Also applying the Microsoft patch at the
> server
> >> > give you second level protection.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >Me again - about that "messenger spam" on client
> machines (unless you are dependant on actual messaging
> from server to client) not Windows Messenger or MSN
> messenger . . . got to XP remote machines, open Services,
> then stop service called "Messenger", get properties on
> it, and make startup type Manual. This will end that
> annoying messenger spam for good.

--
"Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your
patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
to use it properly and effectively."
~Rain Forest Puppy
http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt



Re: Remote User protect by David

David
Thu Aug 21 09:57:55 CDT 2003

Susan,

What Firewall product do you use on the clients?

TIA
Dave

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
wrote in message news:3F443079.F92B9D0@pacbell.net...
> Sorry Kevin...but man this is a really big pet peeve on my part.
>
> That messenger spam is a symptom that you need a firewall dude.
>
> Okay... we have a remote user...they VPN in... let's say they don't have
> a firewall and have any of the 135-139 ports open... until Msblast made
> everyone patch, you could have literally thrown a script [freely
> available on several web sites] and gotten to a c: prompt on that system
>
> If the remote client doesn't have it's ports in "battle ready mode" then
> the minute that laptop connects via VPN, the firewall on that SBS has no
> powers any more... whatever gets into that non-firewalled laptop, gets
> into that server.
>
> Don't shut off that messenger service..it is trying to tell you that
> you've got holes in your remote user systems.
>
> No laptop in my office goes out without a firewall.
>
> KevinC wrote:
>
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Hi David,
> > >
> > >I like Trend products. In fact, I really like Trend
> > products I haven't used
> > >the newest offering extensively yet, but I can tell you
> > that Officescan 5.5
> > >(for SBS2k) offers very nice protection capability for
> > mobile and/or remote
> > >users.
> > >
> > >Another very good Trend product is pc-cillin. One
> > advantage of pc-cillin for
> > >mobile or remote users is that it has built in firewall
> > capabilities. At
> > >about $50 canadian bucks per box it's quite reasonably
> > priced considering
> > >how well it's put together.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Les Connor
> > >------------------
> > >[SBS MVP]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"David Taylor" <nospaming@t.com> wrote in message
> > >news:evfsKNzZDHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > >> Kevin,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the response. I am mealy looking to
> > protect the remote
> > >clients.
> > >> The server and the internal network is protect. I am
> > looking suggestions
> > >> for the remote clients to stop the "messenger" spam
> > note that come up and
> > >> any hacking attempts on only the remote machines.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> "KevinC" <kcashion@fflc.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:0e5001c3672b$a5db8e70$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> > >> >
> > >> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >> > >We have a number of remote users that access the
> > system
> > >> > via dial up account
> > >> > >to isp's and then vpn into the system. With the
> > >> > problems that have been
> > >> > >exposed via Blaster worm etc.. what would be the
> > >> > recommended way to secure
> > >> > >these clients from attacks from viruses and port
> > >> > scanning etc..
> > >> > >
> > >> > >I must point out that all the machine's have av
> > software
> > >> > loaded and they
> > >> > >have the latest updates automatically installed.
> > Is the
> > >> > only way to have
> > >> > >ZoneAlarm or other personal firewall software
> > loaded on
> > >> > the machines. What
> > >> > >do you guys use. I would normally expect remote
> > users
> > >> > to have a hardware
> > >> > >firewall but as they are accessing via BT OpenWorld
> > >> > accounts then they are
> > >> > >unable to have multiple IP's. Any suggestions?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >TIA
> > >> > >Dave
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >.
> > >> > >To protect the clients from future problems I would
> > >> > impose a software firewall and make sure that port
> > 135 is
> > >> > blocked. But really, if you have applied the update
> > from
> > >> > Microsoft then this particular worm is protected.
> > >> >
> > >> > To protect the server, assuming you have a firewall,
> > then
> > >> > you most likely have this port blocked by default, or
> > >> > should. Also applying the Microsoft patch at the
> > server
> > >> > give you second level protection.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >Me again - about that "messenger spam" on client
> > machines (unless you are dependant on actual messaging
> > from server to client) not Windows Messenger or MSN
> > messenger . . . got to XP remote machines, open Services,
> > then stop service called "Messenger", get properties on
> > it, and make startup type Manual. This will end that
> > annoying messenger spam for good.
>
> --
> "Don't lose sight of security. Security is a state of being,
> not a state of budget. He with the most firewalls still does
> not win. Put down that honeypot and keep up to date on your
> patches. Demand better security from vendors and hold them
> responsible. Use what you have, and make sure you know how
> to use it properly and effectively."
> ~Rain Forest Puppy
> http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
>
>