The situation: I have a PC with Windows Small Business Server 2000 on it
which has decided that it doesn't want to boot up in normal mode now (safe
mode works fine). The error I get during bootup is a BSOD which I've looked
into and primarily points towards hardware failure but some things I read
didn't discount the possibility of corrupt drivers and other software
issues. I have accepted that this machine has questionable components and
was in need of upgrading anyway, so I have set about building and installing
a new Windows SBS 2000 server which is well underway.



My question is this: How can I get all the Exchange email and public folder
information from the older server to the new one? I have tried running
ExMegre (which I have a bit of experience of) on the old server whist in
safe mode, but it doesn't work. IIRC, the time I had success with ExMerge,
the server was able to boot in normal mode, meaning that the exchange
services were all running and the two stores were mounted. Is it possible to
run ExMerge in Safe Mode?



Any help or advice gratefully appreciated



James

tgl

Re: Recovering Mail from BSOD Machine (Safe Mode works fine) by Lanwench

Lanwench
Mon Oct 18 08:36:06 CDT 2004

James Leech wrote:
> The situation: I have a PC with Windows Small Business Server 2000 on
> it which has decided that it doesn't want to boot up in normal mode
> now (safe mode works fine). The error I get during bootup is a BSOD
> which I've looked into and primarily points towards hardware failure
> but some things I read didn't discount the possibility of corrupt
> drivers and other software issues. I have accepted that this machine
> has questionable components and was in need of upgrading anyway, so I
> have set about building and installing a new Windows SBS 2000 server
> which is well underway.
>
>
>
> My question is this: How can I get all the Exchange email and public
> folder information from the older server to the new one? I have tried
> running ExMegre (which I have a bit of experience of) on the old
> server whist in safe mode, but it doesn't work. IIRC, the time I had
> success with ExMerge, the server was able to boot in normal mode,
> meaning that the exchange services were all running and the two
> stores were mounted. Is it possible to run ExMerge in Safe Mode?

I have never tried it. Do your stores mount in safe mode?
Do you have good full backups of this server?
>
>
>
> Any help or advice gratefully appreciated
>
>
>
> James
>
> tgl



Re: Recovering Mail from BSOD Machine (Safe Mode works fine) by James

James
Mon Oct 18 10:36:56 CDT 2004

Hi There

Thanks for replying. My replies are inline.

> I have never tried it. Do your stores mount in safe mode?
Unfortunately they don't. None of the exchange services are running or can
be started from safe mode.

> Do you have good full backups of this server?
No (I know, I know - I'm an idiot!). We use MS's backup utility weekly just
to deal with the transaction logs. MS Backup will open up in safe mode, but
doesn't seem to want to play with the file that we backup the c: drive to.
Even if that did work, you would have to boot into active directory restore
mode to restore the system state, and yes, you've guessed it - when I try
and boot into active directory restore mode I get the all-too-familiar BSOD!

This problem, I feel, needs some of that thinking that's done outside of the
box ;-) How about I re-install windows 2000 server on the hard drive without
reformatting, and then pop on small business server over the top too - would
this overwite/clear the MTADATA and MDBData folders et al? Could this work
or am I dreaming?

Many Thanks
James
tgl



Re: Recovering Mail from BSOD Machine (Safe Mode works fine) by Lanwench

Lanwench
Mon Oct 18 11:21:37 CDT 2004

James Leech wrote:
> Hi There
>
> Thanks for replying. My replies are inline.
>
>> I have never tried it. Do your stores mount in safe mode?
> Unfortunately they don't. None of the exchange services are running
> or can be started from safe mode.

Ah, then Exmerge ain't gonna do you any good. Stores need to be mounted for
it to run. Like I said, I have never tried this in safe mode.
>
>> Do you have good full backups of this server?
> No (I know, I know - I'm an idiot!).

Well, you learned the hard way, eh - and I guess you'll be investing in a
good nightly backup solution from now on.

We use MS's backup utility
> weekly just to deal with the transaction logs.

So you selected the Exchange stores for online backup? Any backups of your
data at all?

MS Backup will open up
> in safe mode, but doesn't seem to want to play with the file that we
> backup the c: drive to. Even if that did work, you would have to boot
> into active directory restore mode to restore the system state, and
> yes, you've guessed it - when I try and boot into active directory
> restore mode I get the all-too-familiar BSOD!
>
> This problem, I feel, needs some of that thinking that's done outside
> of the box ;-) How about I re-install windows 2000 server on the hard
> drive without reformatting, and then pop on small business server
> over the top too - would this overwite/clear the MTADATA and MDBData
> folders et al? Could this work or am I dreaming?

I would be a bit frightened of doing anything on this box. Do you have
another server you can use?
One expensive but very functional option for extracting PST files from
(orphaned) .edb files is PowerControls from www.ontrack.com - with a non-SBS
server I'd be less frightened, but if I were you I'd probably call PSS for
help with this one. Will likely be a lot faster and more efficient than
hacking around or relying on newsgroup posts from strange creepy people like
myself. :-D

What's the exact BSOD error? Have you tried replacing your NIC? Unplugging
any peripherals? If you can get the server operational, you'll be in a lot
better shape to migrate to a new server....and might even want to look at
SBS 2003 while you're at it.




>
> Many Thanks
> James
> tgl



Re: Recovering Mail from BSOD Machine (Safe Mode works fine) by Malic

Malic
Mon Oct 18 14:10:43 CDT 2004

You still have a functional DC?

Would it be possible to install a new server and hook the failing server HD
up as a secondary IDE drive and pull the Data off it? Reinstall Exchange
with /disasterrecovery on this new server. You could then do a restore of
just the DATA base from that secondary IDE. Might need to do a this
database can be overwritten by a restore option.

If the data is corrupt you can try the essential and isinteg tools.

Just tossing out some ideas.

"James Leech" <james@graphics-line.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4173e1d9$0$20831$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Hi There
>
> Thanks for replying. My replies are inline.
>
>> I have never tried it. Do your stores mount in safe mode?
> Unfortunately they don't. None of the exchange services are running or can
> be started from safe mode.
>
>> Do you have good full backups of this server?
> No (I know, I know - I'm an idiot!). We use MS's backup utility weekly
> just to deal with the transaction logs. MS Backup will open up in safe
> mode, but doesn't seem to want to play with the file that we backup the c:
> drive to. Even if that did work, you would have to boot into active
> directory restore mode to restore the system state, and yes, you've
> guessed it - when I try and boot into active directory restore mode I get
> the all-too-familiar BSOD!
>
> This problem, I feel, needs some of that thinking that's done outside of
> the box ;-) How about I re-install windows 2000 server on the hard drive
> without reformatting, and then pop on small business server over the top
> too - would this overwite/clear the MTADATA and MDBData folders et al?
> Could this work or am I dreaming?
>
> Many Thanks
> James
> tgl
>



Re: Recovering Mail from BSOD Machine (Safe Mode works fine) by James

James
Tue Oct 19 10:06:40 CDT 2004

Hello

Thanks for your response again.

>> We use MS's backup utility
>> weekly just to deal with the transaction logs.
> So you selected the Exchange stores for online backup? Any backups of your
> data at all?

Only the .bfk file that MS Backup produced (which is two months old [a fact
that I haven't mentioned yet]. Damn sceduled task must have stopped working
or something. Other aspects of the server had been 'dissapearing' too; OWA
hadn't worked for months. Sould have seen the warning signs I guess.)

>> MS Backup will open up
>> in safe mode, but doesn't seem to want to play with the file that we
>> backup the c: drive to. Even if that did work, you would have to boot
>> into active directory restore mode to restore the system state, and
>> yes, you've guessed it - when I try and boot into active directory
>> restore mode I get the all-too-familiar BSOD!
>>
>> This problem, I feel, needs some of that thinking that's done outside
>> of the box ;-) How about I re-install windows 2000 server on the hard
>> drive without reformatting, and then pop on small business server
>> over the top too - would this overwite/clear the MTADATA and MDBData
>> folders et al? Could this work or am I dreaming?
>
> I would be a bit frightened of doing anything on this box. Do you have
> another server you can use?

Yup. Practically finished setting it up today. It is our new production
server. The old 'troubled' server is just sitting here, turned off, waiting
for a bright spark of inspiration to extract the exchange data.

> One expensive but very functional option for extracting PST files from
> (orphaned) .edb files is PowerControls from www.ontrack.com - with a
> non-SBS
> server I'd be less frightened, but if I were you I'd probably call PSS for
> help with this one. Will likely be a lot faster and more efficient than
> hacking around or relying on newsgroup posts from strange creepy people
> like
> myself. :-D

Transcoding the exchange data to pst's would be great! We are only talking
about 2 mailboxes and the public folders here, not and organisation the size
of MS. I could just add the pst's to outlook and copy the mail over to their
respectice locations - job done. However, the edb's aren't stricly orphaned
as they are surrounded by all the rest of their transaction logs - does this
make a differance to my options? I would rather not phone PSS (at a premium
cost) only to be told 'Prevention is better than a cure', plus I am not
bothered about doing a bit of 'leg work' in the groups and I am used to
being surrounded by strange creepy people (and so are they!) ;-)

> What's the exact BSOD error? Have you tried replacing your NIC? Unplugging
> any peripherals? If you can get the server operational, you'll be in a lot
> better shape to migrate to a new server....and might even want to look at
> SBS 2003 while you're at it.

The error is

** STOP: 0x0000007F (0x00000008, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)
UNEXPECTED_KERNAL_MODE_TRAP

Tried it without the NIC - still a 'no go'. Can't really do without the 2
ide disks and the graphics card. Did try new ram modules too, also with no
success. Nothing else is plugged in and there isn't anything else to remove.
I will not be going to SBS 2003 as MS forgot to put SQL server in there!

Many Thanks
James
tgl



Re: Recovering Mail from BSOD Machine (Safe Mode works fine) by James

James
Tue Oct 19 10:47:51 CDT 2004

Hi Malc

Thanks for responding.

> You still have a functional DC?

The machine will not boot up in normal mode but will boot up in safe mode. I
don't believe that safe mode allows the pc to work as a domain controller
per se (no networking support for a start, not to mention the list of
usefull services that haven't started)

> Would it be possible to install a new server and hook the failing server
> HD up as a secondary IDE drive and pull the Data off it?

I have setup our new server, which is fully opperational and is collecting
all new mail. I have made some changes from the installation of SBS that
sits on the broken machine reflecting what I have learned about SBS over the
last couple of years - e.g. the domain is called something else
(mycompany.local instead of mycompany.co.uk). I would rather leave the new
machine alone and somehow carry out all the changes on the old machine
(which, itself, has two hard disks) then exmerge the mailboxes into pst's
which I could then transfere to the new sever.

> Reinstall Exchange with /disasterrecovery on this new server. You could
> then do a restore of just the DATA base from that secondary IDE. Might
> need to do a this database can be overwritten by a restore option.

I like the idea of this, but using the old server. I have already copied the
exchsrvr folder from the c: drive to the d: in anticipatuion that something
like this might be possible. If I reformatted the c drive and installed just
MS Windows 2000 Server, then stuck in the 2nd disk of SBS (exchange disk)
and run the setup from the cmd line with the /disasterrecovery switch do you
think I may be able to get the stores mouted so i could exmerge them? Do you
have any more advise or tips on installing with the /disasterrecover switch?

> If the data is corrupt you can try the essential and isinteg tools.

I am hoping that the data isn't corrupt.

> Just tossing out some ideas.

Thanks for sharing them.

Regards
James
tgl