(hows that for being honest up front!)

I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the Sql
server portion.

We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated Unix
server to Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server. So, their
proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals @$146 each.

Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do I need
the cals? We've got either 15 or 20 SBS cals, as I recall--the
sub-operation that will use this software is probably 6 users max, which is
why the spec.

Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql licensing
welcome. As I recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use the SBS
SQL Server as a backing to a Web site. This issue will come up, but we are
presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue to do that.
--

Re: Really naive licensing question which I haven't researched yet by Cris

Cris
Tue Mar 01 21:46:29 CST 2005

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You have SQL Standard Edition and you have enough CALS no need to =
purchase from them

--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
Small Business Server Specialist
The Trinity Companies - Microsoft Gold Partner
St. Louis, MO
www.trinitycos.com
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"Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message =
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(hows that for being honest up front!)

I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the Sql =

server portion.

We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated =
Unix=20
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their=20
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Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do I =
need=20
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Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql =
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lugh.org</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
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Re: Really naive licensing question which I haven't researched yet by Kevin

Kevin
Tue Mar 01 21:57:37 CST 2005

If you already have SBS2000 and the required number of user cals, there is
no additional cost. You're ready to rollm as soon as you install SQL -
although you may wish to review/increase memory for your server.

You are ocrrect that the licensing of SQL on SBS2000 does NOT permit you to
backend a web site on your server for public access. However, SBS2003 does
allow you to do this!

--
Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
"The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"


"Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
news:%23bLcbltHFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> (hows that for being honest up front!)
>
> I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the Sql
> server portion.
>
> We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated Unix
> server to Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server. So, their
> proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals @$146
> each.
>
> Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do I need
> the cals? We've got either 15 or 20 SBS cals, as I recall--the
> sub-operation that will use this software is probably 6 users max, which
> is why the spec.
>
> Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql licensing
> welcome. As I recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use the
> SBS SQL Server as a backing to a Web site. This issue will come up, but
> we are presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue to do that.
> --
>
>
>



Re: Really naive licensing question which I haven't researched yet by Bill

Bill
Wed Mar 02 06:55:11 CST 2005

Thanks very much for that tidbit. We are a nonprofit and will be applying
for foundation funding for the purchase. One thought that I have is to put
the SQL money towards an OS upgrade I think I could write that up in a
pursuasive way.

--

"Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" <kweilbacMVP@gte.net> wrote in message
news:OcTvqvtHFHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> If you already have SBS2000 and the required number of user cals, there is
> no additional cost. You're ready to rollm as soon as you install SQL -
> although you may wish to review/increase memory for your server.
>
> You are ocrrect that the licensing of SQL on SBS2000 does NOT permit you
> to backend a web site on your server for public access. However, SBS2003
> does allow you to do this!
>
> --
> Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
> "The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
>
>
> "Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
> news:%23bLcbltHFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> (hows that for being honest up front!)
>>
>> I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the Sql
>> server portion.
>>
>> We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated Unix
>> server to Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server. So, their
>> proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals @$146
>> each.
>>
>> Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do I
>> need the cals? We've got either 15 or 20 SBS cals, as I recall--the
>> sub-operation that will use this software is probably 6 users max, which
>> is why the spec.
>>
>> Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql licensing
>> welcome. As I recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use the
>> SBS SQL Server as a backing to a Web site. This issue will come up, but
>> we are presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue to do
>> that.
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Really naive licensing question which I haven't researched yet by Bill

Bill
Wed Mar 02 06:55:27 CST 2005

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Thanks!

--=20
=20
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" =
<crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote in message =
news:Oy3LHqtHFHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
You have SQL Standard Edition and you have enough CALS no need to =
purchase from them

--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
Small Business Server Specialist
The Trinity Companies - Microsoft Gold Partner
St. Louis, MO
www.trinitycos.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Please only respond in the newsgoup and not to me directly so that all =
can benefit from the information
SBS 2003 - microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
SBS 2000 - microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000
SBS 4.5 - microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz
"Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message =
news:%23bLcbltHFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
(hows that for being honest up front!)

I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the =
Sql=20
server portion.

We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated =
Unix=20
server to Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server. So, =
their=20
proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals =
@$146 each.

Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do =
I need=20
the cals? We've got either 15 or 20 SBS cals, as I recall--the=20
sub-operation that will use this software is probably 6 users max, =
which is=20
why the spec.

Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql =
licensing=20
welcome. As I recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use =
the SBS=20
SQL Server as a backing to a Web site. This issue will come up, but =
we are=20
presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue to do that.
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=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net">crisnosp=
amhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:Oy3LHqtHFHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl">news:Oy3LHqtHFHA.2456=
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You have SQL Standard Edition and you =
have enough=20
CALS&nbsp; no need to purchase from them</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]<BR>Small Business Server=20
Specialist<BR>The Trinity Companies - Microsoft Gold Partner<BR>St. =
Louis,=20
MO<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.trinitycos.com">www.trinitycos.com</A><BR>------------=
------------------------------------------------------<BR>Please=20
only respond in the newsgoup and not to me directly so that all can =
benefit=20
from the information<BR>SBS 2003&nbsp; -&nbsp;=20
microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs<BR>SBS 2000&nbsp; -&nbsp;=20
microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000<BR>SBS =
4.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
-&nbsp; microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Bill Sanderson" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org">Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.p=
lugh.org</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:%23bLcbltHFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl">news:%23bLcbltHFHA.=
2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>(hows=20
that for being honest up front!)<BR><BR>I've got an SBS-2000 =
installation=20
which is not presently using the Sql <BR>server =
portion.<BR><BR>We've had a=20
proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated Unix =
<BR>server to=20
Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server.&nbsp; So, their=20
<BR>proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals =
@$146=20
each.<BR><BR>Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can =
I=20
save?&nbsp; Do I need <BR>the cals?&nbsp; We've got either 15 or 20 =
SBS=20
cals, as I recall--the <BR>sub-operation that will use this software =
is=20
probably 6 users max, which is <BR>why the spec.<BR><BR>Pointers =
about where=20
to read to understand limitations of Sql licensing =
<BR>welcome.&nbsp; As I=20
recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use the SBS =
<BR>SQL Server=20
as a backing to a Web site.&nbsp; This issue will come up, but we =
are=20
<BR>presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue to do=20
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Re: Really naive licensing question which I haven't researched yet by Javier

Javier
Wed Mar 02 07:11:24 CST 2005

Hey Bill!

Not sure if you have seen this... but since you work for a non profit you
should check www.techsoup.com. If you qualify you will get MS (and others)
stuff at unbelivable low prices (I mean *really* low).

--
Javier [SBS MVP]
www.msmvps.com/javier
<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
news:OmPbRcyHFHA.3244@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thanks very much for that tidbit. We are a nonprofit and will be applying
> for foundation funding for the purchase. One thought that I have is to
> put the SQL money towards an OS upgrade I think I could write that up in
> a pursuasive way.
>
> --
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" <kweilbacMVP@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:OcTvqvtHFHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> If you already have SBS2000 and the required number of user cals, there
>> is no additional cost. You're ready to rollm as soon as you install SQL -
>> although you may wish to review/increase memory for your server.
>>
>> You are ocrrect that the licensing of SQL on SBS2000 does NOT permit you
>> to backend a web site on your server for public access. However, SBS2003
>> does allow you to do this!
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
>> "The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
>>
>>
>> "Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23bLcbltHFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> (hows that for being honest up front!)
>>>
>>> I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the Sql
>>> server portion.
>>>
>>> We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated Unix
>>> server to Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server. So, their
>>> proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals @$146
>>> each.
>>>
>>> Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do I
>>> need the cals? We've got either 15 or 20 SBS cals, as I recall--the
>>> sub-operation that will use this software is probably 6 users max, which
>>> is why the spec.
>>>
>>> Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql licensing
>>> welcome. As I recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use the
>>> SBS SQL Server as a backing to a Web site. This issue will come up, but
>>> we are presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue to do
>>> that.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Really naive licensing question which I haven't researched yet by Bill

Bill
Wed Mar 02 20:10:18 CST 2005

Thanks for the reminder--I've been meaning to get to looking in a real way
at that site and haven't done it yet. I've managed to get a couple
non-profit clients up to running all XP via the company store over the last
few years, but I need to do more--Office, and server OS upgrades.
--

"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:u74PRlyHFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hey Bill!
>
> Not sure if you have seen this... but since you work for a non profit you
> should check www.techsoup.com. If you qualify you will get MS (and others)
> stuff at unbelivable low prices (I mean *really* low).
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
> www.msmvps.com/javier
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
> news:OmPbRcyHFHA.3244@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks very much for that tidbit. We are a nonprofit and will be
>> applying for foundation funding for the purchase. One thought that I
>> have is to put the SQL money towards an OS upgrade I think I could write
>> that up in a pursuasive way.
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" <kweilbacMVP@gte.net> wrote in message
>> news:OcTvqvtHFHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> If you already have SBS2000 and the required number of user cals, there
>>> is no additional cost. You're ready to rollm as soon as you install
>>> SQL - although you may wish to review/increase memory for your server.
>>>
>>> You are ocrrect that the licensing of SQL on SBS2000 does NOT permit you
>>> to backend a web site on your server for public access. However, SBS2003
>>> does allow you to do this!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
>>> "The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
>>> news:%23bLcbltHFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> (hows that for being honest up front!)
>>>>
>>>> I've got an SBS-2000 installation which is not presently using the Sql
>>>> server portion.
>>>>
>>>> We've had a proposal from a vendor to move an app from a dedicated Unix
>>>> server to Windows, and the Windows piece runs on SQL Server. So, their
>>>> proposal includes SQL Server @ $666, and 6 Sql Server User cals @$146
>>>> each.
>>>>
>>>> Since I've already got Sql Server, how much of this can I save? Do I
>>>> need the cals? We've got either 15 or 20 SBS cals, as I recall--the
>>>> sub-operation that will use this software is probably 6 users max,
>>>> which is why the spec.
>>>>
>>>> Pointers about where to read to understand limitations of Sql licensing
>>>> welcome. As I recall from previous research, I'm not allowed to use
>>>> the SBS SQL Server as a backing to a Web site. This issue will come
>>>> up, but we are presently solving that via MySql, and may well continue
>>>> to do that.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>