Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server publishing rule
using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and external
then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port 993 never
displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to access IMAP
from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening ports in
ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.


Thanks

Eddie

Re: Quick ISA question by Marina

Marina
Tue Jan 25 11:53:26 CST 2005

Hi Eddie,

Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the router?

--
Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP
One of the Magical M&M's

"Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server publishing rule
> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and external
> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port 993 never
> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to access IMAP
> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening ports in
> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Eddie
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by Eddie

Eddie
Tue Jan 25 12:12:46 CST 2005

Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full open so
the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed a
router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type of
rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am still
stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look some
more.


Thanks for the help.

Eddie
"Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in message
news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Eddie,
>
> Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the router?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Marina
> Microsoft SBS-MVP
> One of the Magical M&M's
>
> "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server publishing
>> rule
>> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and external
>> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port 993
>> never
>> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to access
>> IMAP
>> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening ports in
>> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Eddie
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by Marina

Marina
Tue Jan 25 12:26:57 CST 2005

Hi Eddie,

Did you also start the IMAP service?

--
Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP
One of the Magical M&M's

"Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
news:uoizzlwAFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full open so
> the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed a
> router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type of
> rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am still
> stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look some
> more.
>
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Eddie
> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
message
> news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Eddie,
> >
> > Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the router?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marina
> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
> > One of the Magical M&M's
> >
> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server publishing
> >> rule
> >> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and
external
> >> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port 993
> >> never
> >> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to access
> >> IMAP
> >> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening ports
in
> >> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Eddie
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by Eddie

Eddie
Tue Jan 25 13:17:46 CST 2005

Well I figured out the problem but not sure as the solution. The firewall
service is listening on the 993 port and not allowing the IMAP service to
bind to it and I am getting a 115 error. If I close one or the other I can
get them to start successfully but turning them both on results in whichever
one is started last always dies. What is the best way to stop this. I
guess I could change the port to a dif port so they get along?

Thanks
Eddie
"Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in message
news:eo7F2twAFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi Eddie,
>
> Did you also start the IMAP service?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Marina
> Microsoft SBS-MVP
> One of the Magical M&M's
>
> "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> news:uoizzlwAFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full open
>> so
>> the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed a
>> router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type of
>> rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am still
>> stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look some
>> more.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Eddie
>> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
> message
>> news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Eddie,
>> >
>> > Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the router?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Marina
>> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
>> > One of the Magical M&M's
>> >
>> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
>> > news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server publishing
>> >> rule
>> >> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and
> external
>> >> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port 993
>> >> never
>> >> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to access
>> >> IMAP
>> >> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening ports
> in
>> >> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Eddie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by Marina

Marina
Tue Jan 25 14:19:57 CST 2005

Hi Eddie,

IMAP runs on port 143.

--
Regards,

Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP
One of the Magical M&M's

"Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
news:%2335RPKxAFHA.2428@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Well I figured out the problem but not sure as the solution. The
firewall
> service is listening on the 993 port and not allowing the IMAP service to
> bind to it and I am getting a 115 error. If I close one or the other I
can
> get them to start successfully but turning them both on results in
whichever
> one is started last always dies. What is the best way to stop this. I
> guess I could change the port to a dif port so they get along?
>
> Thanks
> Eddie
> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
message
> news:eo7F2twAFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Eddie,
> >
> > Did you also start the IMAP service?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marina
> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
> > One of the Magical M&M's
> >
> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:uoizzlwAFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full open
> >> so
> >> the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed a
> >> router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type
of
> >> rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am still
> >> stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look
some
> >> more.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help.
> >>
> >> Eddie
> >> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
> > message
> >> news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Eddie,
> >> >
> >> > Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the
router?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Marina
> >> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
> >> > One of the Magical M&M's
> >> >
> >> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> >> > news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server
publishing
> >> >> rule
> >> >> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and
> > external
> >> >> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port 993
> >> >> never
> >> >> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to
access
> >> >> IMAP
> >> >> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening
ports
> > in
> >> >> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Eddie
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by Eddie

Eddie
Tue Jan 25 15:01:08 CST 2005

True, but I thought since I am using SSL I need to enable 993 instead of
143. Do I need both?


"Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in message
news:O$CU$sxAFHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Eddie,
>
> IMAP runs on port 143.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Marina
> Microsoft SBS-MVP
> One of the Magical M&M's
>
> "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> news:%2335RPKxAFHA.2428@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Well I figured out the problem but not sure as the solution. The
> firewall
>> service is listening on the 993 port and not allowing the IMAP service to
>> bind to it and I am getting a 115 error. If I close one or the other I
> can
>> get them to start successfully but turning them both on results in
> whichever
>> one is started last always dies. What is the best way to stop this. I
>> guess I could change the port to a dif port so they get along?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Eddie
>> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
> message
>> news:eo7F2twAFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Eddie,
>> >
>> > Did you also start the IMAP service?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Marina
>> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
>> > One of the Magical M&M's
>> >
>> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
>> > news:uoizzlwAFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full
>> >> open
>> >> so
>> >> the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed
>> >> a
>> >> router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type
> of
>> >> rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am
>> >> still
>> >> stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look
> some
>> >> more.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the help.
>> >>
>> >> Eddie
>> >> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
>> > message
>> >> news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi Eddie,
>> >> >
>> >> > Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the
> router?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Marina
>> >> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
>> >> > One of the Magical M&M's
>> >> >
>> >> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
>> >> > news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server
> publishing
>> >> >> rule
>> >> >> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and
>> > external
>> >> >> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port
>> >> >> 993
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to
> access
>> >> >> IMAP
>> >> >> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening
> ports
>> > in
>> >> >> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eddie
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Tue Jan 25 15:18:12 CST 2005

yeah, he's trying secure IMAP, IMAPS.

two ways to do it

packet filter OR publish

By default, when enabled, Exchange IMAP server listens on 'all unassigned'
interfaces, port 143 for IMAP and 993 for IMAPS. In Exchange Admin check
servers/sbs/protocols/imap4/default server.

Publishing is theoretically more secure. To publish change 'all unassigned'
to your internal IP. It won't then conflict with your publishing rule.

I say publishing is _theoretically_ more secure because I can't see any IMAP
filtering in my ISA. Without protocol filtering there is little difference
between publishing it and allowing direct access to the service (in my
understanding anyway). SO, you could leave the service on 'all unassigned'
and just implement a packet filter to allow access.


"Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in message
news:O$CU$sxAFHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Eddie,
>
> IMAP runs on port 143.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Marina
> Microsoft SBS-MVP
> One of the Magical M&M's
>
> "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> news:%2335RPKxAFHA.2428@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Well I figured out the problem but not sure as the solution. The
> firewall
>> service is listening on the 993 port and not allowing the IMAP service to
>> bind to it and I am getting a 115 error. If I close one or the other I
> can
>> get them to start successfully but turning them both on results in
> whichever
>> one is started last always dies. What is the best way to stop this. I
>> guess I could change the port to a dif port so they get along?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Eddie
>> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
> message
>> news:eo7F2twAFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Eddie,
>> >
>> > Did you also start the IMAP service?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Marina
>> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
>> > One of the Magical M&M's
>> >
>> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
>> > news:uoizzlwAFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full
>> >> open
>> >> so
>> >> the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed
>> >> a
>> >> router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type
> of
>> >> rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am
>> >> still
>> >> stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look
> some
>> >> more.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the help.
>> >>
>> >> Eddie
>> >> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
>> > message
>> >> news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi Eddie,
>> >> >
>> >> > Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the
> router?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Marina
>> >> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
>> >> > One of the Magical M&M's
>> >> >
>> >> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
>> >> > news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server
> publishing
>> >> >> rule
>> >> >> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and
>> > external
>> >> >> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port
>> >> >> 993
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to
> access
>> >> >> IMAP
>> >> >> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening
> ports
>> > in
>> >> >> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eddie
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Quick ISA question by Tony

Tony
Thu Jan 27 23:23:02 CST 2005

Hi guys,
One of the main reasons Server Publishing may be preferred over Packet
Filtering is generation of reports, to be included in the standard ISA
reports.

As for Eddie's question about IMAPS, my question would be how you think
you've configured it because not only is it highly unusual (and therefor
limited documentation/references), it's not generally mentioned in the same
breath as OWA.

Typically people deploy IMAP on port 143.
Yes, IMAPS is port 993. You also need to configure your Exchange IMAP
virtual server with the appropriate certificate (You may be able to configure
with the same certificate you're using for OWA, but see next comment/warning).

Be aware that unless the User is using a laptop which is already a member of
the SBS Domain or you're configured with a commercial certificate, otherwise
you will run into certificate trust issues.

Lastly, I recommend using Telnet on the specific port instead of a port
scanner to determine whether a service is listening on the port.

HTH,
Tony




"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:

> yeah, he's trying secure IMAP, IMAPS.
>
> two ways to do it
>
> packet filter OR publish
>
> By default, when enabled, Exchange IMAP server listens on 'all unassigned'
> interfaces, port 143 for IMAP and 993 for IMAPS. In Exchange Admin check
> servers/sbs/protocols/imap4/default server.
>
> Publishing is theoretically more secure. To publish change 'all unassigned'
> to your internal IP. It won't then conflict with your publishing rule.
>
> I say publishing is _theoretically_ more secure because I can't see any IMAP
> filtering in my ISA. Without protocol filtering there is little difference
> between publishing it and allowing direct access to the service (in my
> understanding anyway). SO, you could leave the service on 'all unassigned'
> and just implement a packet filter to allow access.
>
>
> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in message
> news:O$CU$sxAFHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Eddie,
> >
> > IMAP runs on port 143.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marina
> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
> > One of the Magical M&M's
> >
> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:%2335RPKxAFHA.2428@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Well I figured out the problem but not sure as the solution. The
> > firewall
> >> service is listening on the 993 port and not allowing the IMAP service to
> >> bind to it and I am getting a 115 error. If I close one or the other I
> > can
> >> get them to start successfully but turning them both on results in
> > whichever
> >> one is started last always dies. What is the best way to stop this. I
> >> guess I could change the port to a dif port so they get along?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Eddie
> >> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
> > message
> >> news:eo7F2twAFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Eddie,
> >> >
> >> > Did you also start the IMAP service?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Marina
> >> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
> >> > One of the Magical M&M's
> >> >
> >> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> >> > news:uoizzlwAFHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Well I checked with our isp and there router is configured as full
> >> >> open
> >> >> so
> >> >> the problem seems to be with the ISA server here. I havent installed
> >> >> a
> >> >> router inbetween theirs and our sbs box yet. I am using the same type
> > of
> >> >> rule for our OWA SSL connection and it seems to work fine so I am
> >> >> still
> >> >> stumped on why ISA will not open the connection. I am going to look
> > some
> >> >> more.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the help.
> >> >>
> >> >> Eddie
> >> >> "Marina Roos [SBS-MVP]" <marina@roos.nodontwantspam.nl.com> wrote in
> >> > message
> >> >> news:uOZnHbwAFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Hi Eddie,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Did you also forward port 993 to your external nic IP from the
> > router?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Marina
> >> >> > Microsoft SBS-MVP
> >> >> > One of the Magical M&M's
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Eddie Allen" <eddie.allen@united.com> schreef in bericht
> >> >> > news:%23SqfGNwAFHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> Running SBS2000 with ISa(dual nic). I have added a server
> > publishing
> >> >> >> rule
> >> >> >> using the predifined IMAPS. I speficed my internal address and
> >> > external
> >> >> >> then I restarted ISA but no matter what port scanner I used port
> >> >> >> 993
> >> >> >> never
> >> >> >> displays as open. I am trying to get some users configured to
> > access
> >> >> >> IMAP
> >> >> >> from a couple of PDA phones. I have never had a problem opening
> > ports
> >> > in
> >> >> >> ISA and am kinda confused as to what the desl with it is.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Eddie
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>