XP Firewall(?) problem

Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached to
SBS2000 domain.
All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating can't; eg
Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done from
the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to installing
yet.
I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed client from
list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as before.
SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
Any thoughts?

Chris Curtis

Javier
Wed Apr 14 09:18:52 CDT 2004

The XP firewall should be there, but turned off. Why do you want the XP
firewall active? You are inside a supposedly protected network (you have ISA
or other firewall on front of your network)? right?

If you start blocking ports with a firewall inside your LAN... then you will
have problems doing every day stuff. This applies to any computer inside the
LAN that has a firewall regardless of the OS.

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
news:udlU%23FiIEHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached to
> SBS2000 domain.
> All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating can't;
> eg
> Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done from
> the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to installing
> yet.
> I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed client
> from
> list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as before.
> SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
> Any thoughts?
>
> Chris Curtis
>
>

Chris
Wed Apr 14 09:56:54 CDT 2004

Javier

It is turned off!
I don't want it on!
I just thought it would be useful to know that it wasn't the culprit!

Chris

"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:O5EJntiIEHA.3060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> The XP firewall should be there, but turned off. Why do you want the XP
> firewall active? You are inside a supposedly protected network (you have
ISA
> or other firewall on front of your network)? right?
>
> If you start blocking ports with a firewall inside your LAN... then you
will
> have problems doing every day stuff. This applies to any computer inside
the
> LAN that has a firewall regardless of the OS.
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:udlU%23FiIEHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached to
> > SBS2000 domain.
> > All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating
can't;
> > eg
> > Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done
from
> > the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to installing
> > yet.
> > I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed client
> > from
> > list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as before.
> > SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Chris Curtis
> >
> >
>
>

Javier
Wed Apr 14 12:52:06 CDT 2004

I see :-)

In fact by default in Windows XP (pre-SP2) the XP firewall is turned off by
default in any installation. When XP SP2 is released the firewall will be
turned on by default... but there is some group policy setting that turns it
off (or at least partially) when is part of the domain.

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eOew7CjIEHA.2844@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Javier
>
> It is turned off!
> I don't want it on!
> I just thought it would be useful to know that it wasn't the culprit!
>
> Chris
>
> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
> message news:O5EJntiIEHA.3060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> The XP firewall should be there, but turned off. Why do you want the XP
>> firewall active? You are inside a supposedly protected network (you have
> ISA
>> or other firewall on front of your network)? right?
>>
>> If you start blocking ports with a firewall inside your LAN... then you
> will
>> have problems doing every day stuff. This applies to any computer inside
> the
>> LAN that has a firewall regardless of the OS.
>>
>> --
>> Javier [SBS MVP]
>>
>> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>>
>> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:udlU%23FiIEHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached to
>> > SBS2000 domain.
>> > All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating
> can't;
>> > eg
>> > Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done
> from
>> > the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to
>> > installing
>> > yet.
>> > I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed client
>> > from
>> > list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as before.
>> > SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Chris Curtis
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Chris
Wed Apr 14 14:48:32 CDT 2004

So any thoughts as to why only this machine has the problem.
I haven't changed any settings on the server. However, I did 'remove' the
machine from the Computer list before re-creating it. Could that have
inadvertantly caused it.

Chris

"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:OGyBwkkIEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I see :-)
>
> In fact by default in Windows XP (pre-SP2) the XP firewall is turned off
by
> default in any installation. When XP SP2 is released the firewall will be
> turned on by default... but there is some group policy setting that turns
it
> off (or at least partially) when is part of the domain.
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eOew7CjIEHA.2844@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Javier
> >
> > It is turned off!
> > I don't want it on!
> > I just thought it would be useful to know that it wasn't the culprit!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote
in
> > message news:O5EJntiIEHA.3060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> The XP firewall should be there, but turned off. Why do you want the XP
> >> firewall active? You are inside a supposedly protected network (you
have
> > ISA
> >> or other firewall on front of your network)? right?
> >>
> >> If you start blocking ports with a firewall inside your LAN... then you
> > will
> >> have problems doing every day stuff. This applies to any computer
inside
> > the
> >> LAN that has a firewall regardless of the OS.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Javier [SBS MVP]
> >>
> >> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
> >>
> >> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:udlU%23FiIEHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> > Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached to
> >> > SBS2000 domain.
> >> > All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating
> > can't;
> >> > eg
> >> > Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done
> > from
> >> > the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to
> >> > installing
> >> > yet.
> >> > I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed
client
> >> > from
> >> > list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as
before.
> >> > SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
> >> > Any thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Chris Curtis
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Chris
Wed Apr 14 14:51:28 CDT 2004

Javier

I've just noticed the ambiguity in the title of my post!
I was wondering why you were going on about the 'XP Firewall'
Its been a long day not helped by windowsupdate crawling along when trying
to patch new machine!

Chris


"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:OGyBwkkIEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I see :-)
>
> In fact by default in Windows XP (pre-SP2) the XP firewall is turned off
by
> default in any installation. When XP SP2 is released the firewall will be
> turned on by default... but there is some group policy setting that turns
it
> off (or at least partially) when is part of the domain.
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eOew7CjIEHA.2844@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Javier
> >
> > It is turned off!
> > I don't want it on!
> > I just thought it would be useful to know that it wasn't the culprit!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote
in
> > message news:O5EJntiIEHA.3060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> The XP firewall should be there, but turned off. Why do you want the XP
> >> firewall active? You are inside a supposedly protected network (you
have
> > ISA
> >> or other firewall on front of your network)? right?
> >>
> >> If you start blocking ports with a firewall inside your LAN... then you
> > will
> >> have problems doing every day stuff. This applies to any computer
inside
> > the
> >> LAN that has a firewall regardless of the OS.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Javier [SBS MVP]
> >>
> >> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
> >>
> >> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:udlU%23FiIEHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> > Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached to
> >> > SBS2000 domain.
> >> > All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating
> > can't;
> >> > eg
> >> > Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done
> > from
> >> > the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to
> >> > installing
> >> > yet.
> >> > I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed
client
> >> > from
> >> > list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as
before.
> >> > SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
> >> > Any thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Chris Curtis
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Javier
Wed Apr 14 15:30:44 CDT 2004

Hi Chris!

You really have me confused now :-)

I don't undestand what are we talking about. Would you mind rephrasing your
question? I see that in your other post you say that there is one machine
which has the problem, but I don't see what the problem is (I probably need
my afternoon coffee).

Sorry about that.

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Chris Curtis" <ccurtis@no_spam.nildram.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OxnzdnlIEHA.3220@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Javier
>
> I've just noticed the ambiguity in the title of my post!
> I was wondering why you were going on about the 'XP Firewall'
> Its been a long day not helped by windowsupdate crawling along when trying
> to patch new machine!
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
> message news:OGyBwkkIEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> I see :-)
>>
>> In fact by default in Windows XP (pre-SP2) the XP firewall is turned off
> by
>> default in any installation. When XP SP2 is released the firewall will be
>> turned on by default... but there is some group policy setting that turns
> it
>> off (or at least partially) when is part of the domain.
>>
>> --
>> Javier [SBS MVP]
>>
>> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>>
>> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:eOew7CjIEHA.2844@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Javier
>> >
>> > It is turned off!
>> > I don't want it on!
>> > I just thought it would be useful to know that it wasn't the culprit!
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote
> in
>> > message news:O5EJntiIEHA.3060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> The XP firewall should be there, but turned off. Why do you want the
>> >> XP
>> >> firewall active? You are inside a supposedly protected network (you
> have
>> > ISA
>> >> or other firewall on front of your network)? right?
>> >>
>> >> If you start blocking ports with a firewall inside your LAN... then
>> >> you
>> > will
>> >> have problems doing every day stuff. This applies to any computer
> inside
>> > the
>> >> LAN that has a firewall regardless of the OS.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Javier [SBS MVP]
>> >>
>> >> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>> >>
>> >> "Chris Curtis" <support@no_spam_nil-dram.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:udlU%23FiIEHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Have upgraded a client from W98 to XP (clean install) and attached
>> >> > to
>> >> > SBS2000 domain.
>> >> > All seems well except some programs on the client needing updating
>> > can't;
>> >> > eg
>> >> > Ad-aware Reference file; McAfees AutoUpdate (though this can be done
>> > from
>> >> > the server) and I dare say some others I haven't got round to
>> >> > installing
>> >> > yet.
>> >> > I used a floppy to attach client to domain, having first removed
> client
>> >> > from
>> >> > list of computers and then re-created it using the same name as
> before.
>> >> > SBS Firewall Client is installed; XP Firewall is not!
>> >> > Any thoughts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris Curtis
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Javier
Wed Apr 14 15:38:15 CDT 2004

Ahhh... I just reread the whole thread and I think I understand now. For
some weird reason I thought you were asking why the XP firewall wasn't
working. I really need to pay more attention to what I'm posting. :-)

Could you check the ISA client on that machine and make sure is not set to
autodiscover? Also, does everything else work well on the computer (i.e.
Access to websites, other programs using the internet)?

I apologize for what I said previously... you should have thought that I was
going crazy!

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:elErZ9lIEHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi Chris!
>
> You really have me confused now :-)
>
> I don't undestand what are we talking about. Would you mind rephrasing
> your question? I see that in your other post you say that there is one
> machine which has the problem, but I don't see what the problem is (I
> probably need my afternoon coffee).
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>

Chris
Wed Apr 14 16:00:53 CDT 2004

LOL
As I said I don't think the title of my posting helped!
I'll check the setting at work tomorrow; I think it is set to Autodiscover
though it did 'refresh' OK when tested.
There's been no problem with web access.
I could ignore the problem on this particular machine but I intend to
upgrade the others over the next few weeks and some of those do need to
connect out.

Chris

"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:OetnmBmIEHA.2972@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Ahhh... I just reread the whole thread and I think I understand now. For
> some weird reason I thought you were asking why the XP firewall wasn't
> working. I really need to pay more attention to what I'm posting. :-)
>
> Could you check the ISA client on that machine and make sure is not set to
> autodiscover? Also, does everything else work well on the computer (i.e.
> Access to websites, other programs using the internet)?
>
> I apologize for what I said previously... you should have thought that I
was
> going crazy!
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
> message news:elErZ9lIEHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Chris!
> >
> > You really have me confused now :-)
> >
> > I don't undestand what are we talking about. Would you mind rephrasing
> > your question? I see that in your other post you say that there is one
> > machine which has the problem, but I don't see what the problem is (I
> > probably need my afternoon coffee).
> >
> > Sorry about that.
> >
> > --
> > Javier [SBS MVP]
> >
> > << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
>

Chris
Thu Apr 15 04:06:05 CDT 2004

Firewall Client is not set to autodiscover.
Have just installed Spamcop and that can't 'get out' to update either.
I had this same problem on all the clients after a SBS installation and was
advised to untick 'ask unauthenticated users for identification' under
Outgoing Web Requests in ISA which solved the problem!

Chris

"Chris Curtis" <ccurtis@no_spam.nildram.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OQocQOmIEHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> LOL
> As I said I don't think the title of my posting helped!
> I'll check the setting at work tomorrow; I think it is set to Autodiscover
> though it did 'refresh' OK when tested.
> There's been no problem with web access.
> I could ignore the problem on this particular machine but I intend to
> upgrade the others over the next few weeks and some of those do need to
> connect out.
>
> Chris
>
> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
> message news:OetnmBmIEHA.2972@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Ahhh... I just reread the whole thread and I think I understand now. For
> > some weird reason I thought you were asking why the XP firewall wasn't
> > working. I really need to pay more attention to what I'm posting. :-)
> >
> > Could you check the ISA client on that machine and make sure is not set
to
> > autodiscover? Also, does everything else work well on the computer (i.e.
> > Access to websites, other programs using the internet)?
> >
> > I apologize for what I said previously... you should have thought that I
> was
> > going crazy!
> >
> > --
> > Javier [SBS MVP]
> >
> > << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
> >
> > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote
in
> > message news:elErZ9lIEHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Chris!
> > >
> > > You really have me confused now :-)
> > >
> > > I don't undestand what are we talking about. Would you mind rephrasing
> > > your question? I see that in your other post you say that there is one
> > > machine which has the problem, but I don't see what the problem is (I
> > > probably need my afternoon coffee).
> > >
> > > Sorry about that.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Javier [SBS MVP]
> > >
> > > << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
> >
> >
>
>