Defragmenting .stm and .edb files

Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these files?
Dismount, defrag and mount again..?

thanks in advance,

Jussi

Mark
Wed Feb 11 21:53:58 CST 2004

you mean with eseutil? Always do a backup first.

--
Sincerely,
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"Jussi" <jusu8888N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
files?
> Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Jussi
>
>

oskidoo
Wed Feb 11 23:57:51 CST 2004

Hi

Stop the exchange services and copy the *.edb and *.stm
files. After copying the files start the services,
dismount both the public and private stores. Use
ESEUTIL /d databasename to dfrag the databases.

oskidoo.1me



>-----Original Message-----
>you mean with eseutil? Always do a backup first.
>
>--
>Sincerely,
>Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I
4&2000
>www.MCSE2000.com
>www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
>"Jussi" <jusu8888N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:OaslstO8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Is there anything special I should know before trying
to defrag these
>files?
>> Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

Mariette
Thu Feb 12 00:26:59 CST 2004

In news:OaslstO8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Jussi <jusu8888N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
> files? Dismount, defrag and mount again..?

Smallbizserver.Net - FAQ > SBS 2000 > Server Issues on SBS 2000 > Do I need
to defrag the drives in my server?:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=36

--
Mariëtte Knap - MVP
http://www.smallbizserver.net

Jussi
Thu Feb 12 01:45:46 CST 2004

Mark, oskidoo.1me,

I ment a file-based defrag for the .stm & .edb files, not internal defraq
with ESEUTIL.


Jussi

"oskidoo.1me" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:edc201c3f12d$2661c5b0$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi
>
> Stop the exchange services and copy the *.edb and *.stm
> files. After copying the files start the services,
> dismount both the public and private stores. Use
> ESEUTIL /d databasename to dfrag the databases.
>
> oskidoo.1me
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >you mean with eseutil? Always do a backup first.
> >
> >--
> >Sincerely,
> >Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I
> 4&2000
> >www.MCSE2000.com
> >www.AppLauncher.com
> >
> >
> >
> >"Jussi" <jusu8888N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:OaslstO8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> Is there anything special I should know before trying
> to defrag these
> >files?
> >> Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
> >>
> >> thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Jussi
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Jussi
Thu Feb 12 01:56:38 CST 2004

Thanks for the link Mariette.

- So do you think that file based (not ESEUTIL /d) defraq is unnecessary?
- *IF* you wanted to do it with Diskeeper how would you do it?
(Has ESE some way of knowing where the datapages reside on the disk, that
could be corrupted with data file (*.edb/*.stm) defragmentation?)

Thanks,

Jussi


"Mariette Knap [SBS MVP]" <mariette@smallbizserver.local> kirjoitti
viestissä news:u$li5ET8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> In news:OaslstO8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Jussi <jusu8888N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
> > files? Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
>
> Smallbizserver.Net - FAQ > SBS 2000 > Server Issues on SBS 2000 > Do I
need
> to defrag the drives in my server?:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=36
>
> --
> Mariëtte Knap - MVP
> http://www.smallbizserver.net
>
>

Mark
Thu Feb 12 07:52:37 CST 2004

no, file based defrag IS necessary. Not so much in RAID5 based systems due
to how data is physically put ojn the drive but in all other instances it is
something that should be routine. Those of us that lived through NT4 days
saw the need for it, especially with databases. I have a client with an EMR
package that the s/w vendor highly suggests daily defrags on the data
partition. I think that's a bit much but they are the developer of that
package.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Jussi" <jusu8.N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the link Mariette.
>
> - So do you think that file based (not ESEUTIL /d) defraq is unnecessary?
> - *IF* you wanted to do it with Diskeeper how would you do it?
> (Has ESE some way of knowing where the datapages reside on the disk, that
> could be corrupted with data file (*.edb/*.stm) defragmentation?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jussi
>
>
> "Mariette Knap [SBS MVP]" <mariette@smallbizserver.local> kirjoitti
> viestissä news:u$li5ET8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > In news:OaslstO8DHA.2712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> > Jussi <jusu8888N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
> > > files? Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
> >
> > Smallbizserver.Net - FAQ > SBS 2000 > Server Issues on SBS 2000 > Do I
> need
> > to defrag the drives in my server?:
> > http://www.smallbizserver.net/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=36
> >
> > --
> > Mariëtte Knap - MVP
> > http://www.smallbizserver.net
> >
> >
>
>

danabeck
Thu Feb 12 17:38:37 CST 2004

Hello Jussi,

If you want to perform an offline defrag of your databases, then you
definitely want to run only eseutil /d on the database files. Note that
you only need to run the eseutil /d on the .edb files, as this will include
the .stm files as well.

Assuming a default installation of Exchange, the command, run from the
\Exchsrvr\Bin folder would be:

eseutil /d "c:\ program files\exchsrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb" (and then
pub1.edb as well)

The other utilities mentioned will not be aware of the internal structure
of the Exchange jet database files, and is not recommended to directly run
utilities on those databses. Let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,

Dana Becker
Microsoft Small Business Server Support

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


| Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
files?
| Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
|
| thanks in advance,
|
| Jussi
|
|
|

Jussi
Fri Feb 13 05:55:43 CST 2004

Thanks for your reply Dana,

I have two questions:
1) Does ESEUTIL /d do a "file-based" defragmentation (arrange .edb/.stm file
data to continuous allocation units on the physical disk) OR does it just do
*internal* arrangement of data pages *inside* ESE database, leaving the
physical file fragmented?

2) Is "file-based" defragmentation necessary for .edb/.stm files?

Thanks,
Jussi

"Dana Becker [MSFT]" <danabeck@online.microsoft.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Hello Jussi,
>
> If you want to perform an offline defrag of your databases, then you
> definitely want to run only eseutil /d on the database files. Note that
> you only need to run the eseutil /d on the .edb files, as this will
include
> the .stm files as well.
>
> Assuming a default installation of Exchange, the command, run from the
> \Exchsrvr\Bin folder would be:
>
> eseutil /d "c:\ program files\exchsrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb" (and then
> pub1.edb as well)
>
> The other utilities mentioned will not be aware of the internal structure
> of the Exchange jet database files, and is not recommended to directly run
> utilities on those databses. Let us know if you have any further
questions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dana Becker
> Microsoft Small Business Server Support
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
>
>
> | Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
> files?
> | Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
> |
> | thanks in advance,
> |
> | Jussi
> |
> |
> |
>

Jim
Fri Feb 13 07:30:34 CST 2004

If you want to defrag the files use the hard drive defrag utility you
would have to stop the Exchange services. Some folks install the
Exchange edb and stm on the C: partition. You could defrag the files
on your D: partiton and then move the Exchange files to the D:
partition. If your hard drive is a fragmented mess and your Exchange
databases have grown then hard drive defrag utilites may be of use.
That is one reason why some foks dedicate a partition just for the
Exchange database.

"Jussi" <jusu8.N.O.S.P.A.M@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks for your reply Dana,
>
>I have two questions:
>1) Does ESEUTIL /d do a "file-based" defragmentation (arrange .edb/.stm file
>data to continuous allocation units on the physical disk) OR does it just do
>*internal* arrangement of data pages *inside* ESE database, leaving the
>physical file fragmented?
>
>2) Is "file-based" defragmentation necessary for .edb/.stm files?
>
>Thanks,
>Jussi
>
>"Dana Becker [MSFT]" <danabeck@online.microsoft.com> kirjoitti viestissä
>news:vhVtfFc8DHA.3472@cpmsftngxa07.phx.gbl...
>> Hello Jussi,
>>
>> If you want to perform an offline defrag of your databases, then you
>> definitely want to run only eseutil /d on the database files. Note that
>> you only need to run the eseutil /d on the .edb files, as this will
>include
>> the .stm files as well.
>>
>> Assuming a default installation of Exchange, the command, run from the
>> \Exchsrvr\Bin folder would be:
>>
>> eseutil /d "c:\ program files\exchsrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb" (and then
>> pub1.edb as well)
>>
>> The other utilities mentioned will not be aware of the internal structure
>> of the Exchange jet database files, and is not recommended to directly run
>> utilities on those databses. Let us know if you have any further
>questions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dana Becker
>> Microsoft Small Business Server Support
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>rights.
>>
>>
>> | Is there anything special I should know before trying to defrag these
>> files?
>> | Dismount, defrag and mount again..?
>> |
>> | thanks in advance,
>> |
>> | Jussi
>> |
>> |
>> |
>>
>

Jim B. SBS MVP
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