My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
NAT.

Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
directly to the internet without lots of thought.

We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
VPN connections.

I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
from this location.

I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
to be able to visualize it.

Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
?

Any comments are welcome.




--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes@panix.com

Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by Craig

Craig
Sun Nov 02 19:45:18 CST 2003

Hi Al,

You shouldn't need to get new ip address and the like all you need to do is
VPN into to your network, once you have done this is like you are on your
LAN. Depending on what the answers to the below are (and couple others
probably) we can determine how to set it up.

What are you using to do the NAT? (SBS, 3rd Party Firewall, both).

Is SBS setup with the recomended 2 NIC configuration?



Craig






"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
> NAT.
>
> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
>
> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
> VPN connections.
>
> I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
> routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
> over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
> the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
> and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
> necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
> from this location.
>
> I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
> adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
> this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
> to be able to visualize it.
>
> Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
> ?
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Al Dykes
> -----------
> adykes@panix.com
>



Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by Mark

Mark
Sun Nov 02 20:32:29 CST 2003

Al,
USe the 2NIC setup and since you have 2000 (hopefully you have XP
clients) you can go to the download section of mcse2000.com and read my
paper Remote Client Access with RDP so you can TS to your server and then
each user can RDP to their desktop. Much easier than a VPN and it will be
familiar to them.....much like gotoMyPC.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
> NAT.
>
> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
>
> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
> VPN connections.
>
> I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
> routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
> over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
> the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
> and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
> necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
> from this location.
>
> I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
> adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
> this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
> to be able to visualize it.
>
> Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
> ?
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Al Dykes
> -----------
> adykes@panix.com
>



Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by adykes

adykes
Sun Nov 02 20:39:22 CST 2003

In article <#GZlHxaoDHA.2592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
Craig Iedema <ciedema@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Hi Al,
>
>You shouldn't need to get new ip address and the like all you need to do is
>VPN into to your network, once you have done this is like you are on your
>LAN. Depending on what the answers to the below are (and couple others
>probably) we can determine how to set it up.
>
>What are you using to do the NAT? (SBS, 3rd Party Firewall, both).
>
>Is SBS setup with the recomended 2 NIC configuration?
>

The adsl hookup right now is a linksys box doing nat. That's going
to change as soon as I can figure out what to replace it with.

The sbs server has a single nic. I expect to put a second nic as
there's a reason to.


>
>
>
>"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
>> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
>> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
>> NAT.
>>
>> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
>> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
>> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
>> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
>> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
>>
>> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
>> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
>> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
>> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
>> VPN connections.
>>
>> I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
>> routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
>> over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
>> the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
>> and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
>> necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
>> from this location.
>>
>> I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
>> adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
>> this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
>> to be able to visualize it.
>>
>> Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
>> ?
>>
>> Any comments are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Al Dykes
>> -----------
>> adykes@panix.com
>>
>
>


--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes@panix.com


Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by Craig

Craig
Sun Nov 02 21:18:07 CST 2003

Al,

For the moment I will detail my setup for you. You may want to look at
Mark's suggestions below also.

Internet
|
ADSL Modem
|
Router (Public IP)
|
SBS (External NIC)
|
SBS LAN (Internal NIC)

At the moment the Router is a NAT for the SBS box and SBS box is a NAT for
the rest of the LAN, the router port forwards port 1723 to the SBS server
allowing anyone to VPN in, I ran the ICW to set this up. Once I have
VPN'ed in I can run any remote control software I like and/or access all
network resources.

Along with Mark I would suggest TS/RDP connections, you can even continue to
use goToMyPC. Although I would do it over a VPN rather than TS connections
from the internet (but I am paranoid).

Craig



"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bo4f4q$ja9$1@panix3.panix.com...
> In article <#GZlHxaoDHA.2592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> Craig Iedema <ciedema@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >Hi Al,
> >
> >You shouldn't need to get new ip address and the like all you need to do
is
> >VPN into to your network, once you have done this is like you are on your
> >LAN. Depending on what the answers to the below are (and couple others
> >probably) we can determine how to set it up.
> >
> >What are you using to do the NAT? (SBS, 3rd Party Firewall, both).
> >
> >Is SBS setup with the recomended 2 NIC configuration?
> >
>
> The adsl hookup right now is a linksys box doing nat. That's going
> to change as soon as I can figure out what to replace it with.
>
> The sbs server has a single nic. I expect to put a second nic as
> there's a reason to.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
> >news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
> >> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
> >> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
> >> NAT.
> >>
> >> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
> >> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
> >> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
> >> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
> >> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
> >>
> >> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
> >> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
> >> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
> >> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
> >> VPN connections.
> >>
> >> I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
> >> routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
> >> over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
> >> the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
> >> and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
> >> necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
> >> from this location.
> >>
> >> I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
> >> adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
> >> this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
> >> to be able to visualize it.
> >>
> >> Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Any comments are welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Al Dykes
> >> -----------
> >> adykes@panix.com
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Al Dykes
> -----------
> adykes@panix.com
>



Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by Mal

Mal
Sun Nov 02 21:40:19 CST 2003

For the remote controll of the workstations, it may be worth looking at an
upgrade to SBS-2003. Support for mobile users has been a focus of this
product, & straight out of the box it allows remote control of XP
workstations from the outside world.

Mal Osborne
MCSE MVP Mensa

"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
> NAT.
>
> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
>
> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
> VPN connections.
>
> I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
> routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
> over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
> the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
> and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
> necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
> from this location.
>
> I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
> adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
> this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
> to be able to visualize it.
>
> Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
> ?
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Al Dykes
> -----------
> adykes@panix.com
>



Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by adykes

adykes
Mon Nov 03 07:51:11 CST 2003

In article <edk##kboDHA.372@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>,
Craig Iedema <ciedema@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Al,
>
>For the moment I will detail my setup for you. You may want to look at
>Mark's suggestions below also.
>
>Internet
> |
>ADSL Modem
> |
>Router (Public IP)
> |
>SBS (External NIC)
> |
>SBS LAN (Internal NIC)
>
>At the moment the Router is a NAT for the SBS box and SBS box is a NAT for
>the rest of the LAN, the router port forwards port 1723 to the SBS server
>allowing anyone to VPN in, I ran the ICW to set this up. Once I have
>VPN'ed in I can run any remote control software I like and/or access all
>network resources.
>

Does this work from a PC at home that's behind a NAT box ?

Thanks



>
>Craig
>
>
>
>"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:bo4f4q$ja9$1@panix3.panix.com...
>> In article <#GZlHxaoDHA.2592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
>> Craig Iedema <ciedema@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >Hi Al,
>> >
>> >You shouldn't need to get new ip address and the like all you need to do
>is
>> >VPN into to your network, once you have done this is like you are on your
>> >LAN. Depending on what the answers to the below are (and couple others
>> >probably) we can determine how to set it up.
>> >
>> >What are you using to do the NAT? (SBS, 3rd Party Firewall, both).
>> >
>> >Is SBS setup with the recomended 2 NIC configuration?
>> >
>>
>> The adsl hookup right now is a linksys box doing nat. That's going
>> to change as soon as I can figure out what to replace it with.
>>
>> The sbs server has a single nic. I expect to put a second nic as
>> there's a reason to.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
>> >> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT router
>> >> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it behind
>> >> NAT.
>> >>
>> >> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
>> >> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc which
>> >> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
>> >> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
>> >> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
>> >>
>> >> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
>> >> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
>> >> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
>> >> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
>> >> VPN connections.
>> >>
>> >> I know that basic NAT is VPN show-stopper. Several of us have NAT
>> >> routers at home and NAT-NAT connections are even harder to do VPN
>> >> over. Users are non-technical and I don't see VPN tunnels as part of
>> >> the company-wide solution, partly because these are not company-issued
>> >> and probably no two are alike. I'm willing to buy the hardware
>> >> necessary to make this work. We have no plan to run public web servers
>> >> from this location.
>> >>
>> >> I can imagine, with the right equipment, getting a second IP (static)
>> >> adddress from our ISP and using it for incomming connections, but, if
>> >> this is really possible I need recommendations for specific equipment
>> >> to be able to visualize it.
>> >>
>> >> Is the answer to switch to the entire company to routable IP addresses
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> Any comments are welcome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Al Dykes
>> >> -----------
>> >> adykes@panix.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Al Dykes
>> -----------
>> adykes@panix.com
>>
>
>


--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes@panix.com


Re: Connecting a SBS server LAN to the Internet - NAT or IP Block ? by Craig

Craig
Mon Nov 03 15:54:35 CST 2003

Yes I can and do VPN into our work network from NATed networks and run
TS/RDP Radmin sessions. When I VPN there I can access all network
resources.

Craig


"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bo5mgf$op5$1@panix3.panix.com...
> In article <edk##kboDHA.372@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>,
> Craig Iedema <ciedema@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >Al,
> >
> >For the moment I will detail my setup for you. You may want to look at
> >Mark's suggestions below also.
> >
> >Internet
> > |
> >ADSL Modem
> > |
> >Router (Public IP)
> > |
> >SBS (External NIC)
> > |
> >SBS LAN (Internal NIC)
> >
> >At the moment the Router is a NAT for the SBS box and SBS box is a NAT
for
> >the rest of the LAN, the router port forwards port 1723 to the SBS
server
> >allowing anyone to VPN in, I ran the ICW to set this up. Once I have
> >VPN'ed in I can run any remote control software I like and/or access all
> >network resources.
> >
>
> Does this work from a PC at home that's behind a NAT box ?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
> >news:bo4f4q$ja9$1@panix3.panix.com...
> >> In article <#GZlHxaoDHA.2592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> >> Craig Iedema <ciedema@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >Hi Al,
> >> >
> >> >You shouldn't need to get new ip address and the like all you need to
do
> >is
> >> >VPN into to your network, once you have done this is like you are on
your
> >> >LAN. Depending on what the answers to the below are (and couple
others
> >> >probably) we can determine how to set it up.
> >> >
> >> >What are you using to do the NAT? (SBS, 3rd Party Firewall, both).
> >> >
> >> >Is SBS setup with the recomended 2 NIC configuration?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The adsl hookup right now is a linksys box doing nat. That's going
> >> to change as soon as I can figure out what to replace it with.
> >>
> >> The sbs server has a single nic. I expect to put a second nic as
> >> there's a reason to.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:bo4a8c$d0m$1@panix3.panix.com...
> >> >> My company (50 PC users) has a adsl internet hookup with a NAT
router
> >> >> and we recently got an SBS2k server and we are happily using it
behind
> >> >> NAT.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now we want to start buying laptops and implement some form of
> >> >> mobility for some of our people. We've started by using go2mypc
which
> >> >> works fine, but will be expensive for the long run. We use outlook,
> >> >> office and access some propriatery applications that we can't expose
> >> >> directly to the internet without lots of thought.
> >> >>
> >> >> We probably need some sort of VPN solution and I have a bunch of
> >> >> questions; The first one is, do we need to get an ISP to supply us
> >> >> with an IP block large enough for the entire company of is there a
> >> >> router/firewall product that can use NAT but still allows incomming
> >> >> VPN connections.
> >> >>
> >>