The Msft KB article does not make this clear (and there seems to be some
confusion generally on this)

What role do you have to give Domain Users on the XP Pro clients, if any?

i.e. Power User, Restricted user (and is this as Domain users, or as Local
users)
And finally... if as Domain users, can you just add them to a Group and put
that Group in the Client list

Sorry, bit vague on the terminology here
TIA

Re: XP Pro Clients - what User 'role'? by John

John
Wed Sep 10 21:29:23 CDT 2003

Is this something you can set in Group Policy on the server rather than
having to add the user on the workstation?

John King

"Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]" <crishanna@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%23LIG0qAeDHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Domain Users is fine, but they must be part of the local (not domain)
administrators group

--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Please DO NOT email me directly but respond only in the newsgroup so that
all can benefit.
"jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:%23zugk0$dDHA.1828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
The Msft KB article does not make this clear (and there seems to be some
confusion generally on this)

What role do you have to give Domain Users on the XP Pro clients, if any?

i.e. Power User, Restricted user (and is this as Domain users, or as Local
users)
And finally... if as Domain users, can you just add them to a Group and put
that Group in the Client list

Sorry, bit vague on the terminology here
TIA



Re: XP Pro Clients - what User 'role'? by Rick

Rick
Wed Sep 10 22:32:42 CDT 2003

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workstation (not the server). If you can run your users in restricted =
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no idea why Cris is saying that they MUST be part of the local admin =
group, that is not true.

Rick in the Midwest

"Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]" <crishanna@mindspring.com> wrote in message =
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Domain Users is fine, but they must be part of the local (not domain) =
administrators group

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some
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What role do you have to give Domain Users on the XP Pro clients, if =
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i.e. Power User, Restricted user (and is this as Domain users, or as =
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And finally... if as Domain users, can you just add them to a Group =
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TIA


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Re: XP Pro Clients - what User 'role'? by Susan

Susan
Wed Sep 10 23:03:34 CDT 2003

He's trying to ensure that people understand there are two sort of
confusing concepts....

Local administrators on the box

Domain administrators on the domain.

Don't make a user a domain admin and "think it's the same" as "local
administrator on the workstation"



Rick in the Midwest wrote:

> By default on Windows 2K/XP, domain users are added to the local Users
> group on the workstation when you join it to the domain. This
> automatically gives all domain users, "Restricted User" to the
> workstation. Basically they can use any XP designed applications without
> any problems. They can not add software or make changes to the OS. Only
> an administrator can install software. This is the preferred role in a
> domain, that is why it is done like this by default. If you want to give
> your users unrestricted access to their local workstation, then you have
> to add the Domain Users group to the local administrators group on the
> workstation. Then any user that logs on will have admin rights to the
> workstation (not the server). If you can run your users in restricted
> mode, then try that. But it is your call to increase the rights. I have
> no idea why Cris is saying that they MUST be part of the local admin
> group, that is not true.
>
> Rick in the Midwest
>
> "Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]" <crishanna@mindspring.com
> <mailto:crishanna@mindspring.com>> wrote in message
> news:%23LIG0qAeDHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
> Domain Users is fine, but they must be part of the local (not
> domain) administrators group
>
> --
> Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
> Please DO NOT email me directly but respond only in the newsgroup so
> that all can benefit.
>
> "jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com <mailto:jann@dial.pipex.com>> wrote
> in message news:%23zugk0$dDHA.1828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> The Msft KB article does not make this clear (and there seems to
> be some
> confusion generally on this)
>
> What role do you have to give Domain Users on the XP Pro
> clients, if any?
>
> i.e. Power User, Restricted user (and is this as Domain users,
> or as Local
> users)
> And finally... if as Domain users, can you just add them to a
> Group and put
> that Group in the Client list
>
> Sorry, bit vague on the terminology here
> TIA
>


Re: XP Pro Clients - what User 'role'? by Rick

Rick
Wed Sep 10 23:44:48 CDT 2003

Luke asked "What role do you have to give Domain Users on the XP Pro
clients, if any?
And Cris replied: "Domain Users is fine, but they must be part of the local
(not domain) administrators group"

Sorry but that reply is confusing.....
But I understand exactly what you are saying that Cris is trying to get
across.

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz SBS Rocks [MVP] on highspeed in Charlotte"
<sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> He's trying to ensure that people understand there are two sort of
> confusing concepts....
>
> Local administrators on the box
>
> Domain administrators on the domain.
>
> Don't make a user a domain admin and "think it's the same" as "local
> administrator on the workstation"
>
>
>
> Rick in the Midwest wrote:
>
> > By default on Windows 2K/XP, domain users are added to the local Users
> > group on the workstation when you join it to the domain. This
> > automatically gives all domain users, "Restricted User" to the
> > workstation. Basically they can use any XP designed applications without
> > any problems. They can not add software or make changes to the OS. Only
> > an administrator can install software. This is the preferred role in a
> > domain, that is why it is done like this by default. If you want to give
> > your users unrestricted access to their local workstation, then you have
> > to add the Domain Users group to the local administrators group on the
> > workstation. Then any user that logs on will have admin rights to the
> > workstation (not the server). If you can run your users in restricted
> > mode, then try that. But it is your call to increase the rights. I have
> > no idea why Cris is saying that they MUST be part of the local admin
> > group, that is not true.
> >
> > Rick in the Midwest
> >
> > "Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]" <crishanna@mindspring.com
> > <mailto:crishanna@mindspring.com>> wrote in message
> > news:%23LIG0qAeDHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Domain Users is fine, but they must be part of the local (not
> > domain) administrators group
> >
> > --
> > Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
> > Please DO NOT email me directly but respond only in the newsgroup so
> > that all can benefit.
> >
> > "jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com <mailto:jann@dial.pipex.com>> wrote
> > in message news:%23zugk0$dDHA.1828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > The Msft KB article does not make this clear (and there seems to
> > be some
> > confusion generally on this)
> >
> > What role do you have to give Domain Users on the XP Pro
> > clients, if any?
> >
> > i.e. Power User, Restricted user (and is this as Domain users,
> > or as Local
> > users)
> > And finally... if as Domain users, can you just add them to a
> > Group and put
> > that Group in the Client list
> >
> > Sorry, bit vague on the terminology here
> > TIA
> >
>



Re: XP Pro Clients - what User 'role'? by Dennis

Dennis
Thu Sep 11 00:36:18 CDT 2003

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Re: XP Pro Clients - what User 'role'? by jann

jann
Thu Sep 11 19:20:34 CDT 2003

Thanks folks,.