Cris
Sun Mar 30 12:34:44 CDT 2008
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When Vista was released, there was no support for it with SBS 2003.you =
could get there with manual configurations but even ISA was an issue..it =
wasn't until almost 6 months later that Microsoft released updates to =
provide compatibility for Vista with the SBS 2003 wizards.
And Fax is still a manual configuration. But they did not (and will not =
be) releasing similar patches for SBS 2000. All efforts now are =
concentrated on SBS 2008 which is expected to be out in the next 6 =
months.
I'm not convinced that MS is required to "put a warning on Vista". In =
fact they've been very proactive with Vista SP1 regarding the handful of =
drivers that could be an issue for Vista SP1. As a Microsoft Partner =
myself, I don't expect anything to work with anything else. So I test =
it before any of my customers get their hands on it. And none of my =
customers are on 2000 any more. While you may have waited until 2002 to =
install, that doesn't change Microsoft's published times for support. =
My rule with my customers is 5 years. Desktops and servers. With the =
way technology is changing...longer than that is just not reasonable. =
And with the licensing options available from MS, spreading the payments =
out over 3 years, and the prices for hardware dropping all the time...it =
shouldn't be too tough for most customers to stick to that schedule.
--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message =
news:DC8D5AA0-7F93-45FD-8CDD-AE3004CCE7FD@microsoft.com...
Good point but as a Microsoft reseller, We tried Vista at its release =
on SBS=20
2000 and to this day I have seen no official warning from Microsoft =
that SBS=20
2000 fax does not work with Vista. XP will soon go the way of the Dodo =
and=20
yet I find it hard to believe that a future SBS product's fax solution =
wont=20
work with it.=20
We installed SBS2000 in 2002 - so it really isnt a hard stretch to =
think=20
that a major feature like shared fax support would be written out of =
the=20
replacement operation system to XP - and certainly not in such a small =
amount=20
of time.
If there was some warning that came with Vista - of the features that =
were=20
not supported on earlier servers - at least the public would be =
forwarned.=20
Instead countless hours and days of testing for nothing - this is =
simply=20
unacceptable. Microsoft knew they were dropping the support of Shared =
fax on=20
SBS 2000 - they should have documented it !
I might add that Shared fax is the only feature in SBS 2000 that I =
have=20
found does not work with Vista.
Anyway, thats my 5c worth
I hope that Micosoft does read these groups sometimes ; )
Neil
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> Perhaps the smart choice would have been to investigate whether or =
not to purchase machines with Vista would be compatible with all the =
features you need
> There are still plenty of options for purchasing machines with XP.
>=20
> And no, microsoft does not read these (well very rarely anyway)
> I can tell you with 99.9% certainty, that there will be no more =
changes, updates, upgrades for SBS 2000
> --=20
> Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft
> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
> "Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message =
news:577BA603-D2EF-4E77-BE1C-C0CB399771D4@microsoft.com...
> Ah yes but I thought SBS 2000 was a server product that worked =
with ALL=20
> Microsoft clients - silly me - I forgot that MS want to force =
people to=20
> upgrade.
> The fix would be simple and clearly is a design plan to hurt their =
loyal=20
> server base.
> I would imagine a few lines of code would allow for the support.
> Come on Microsoft - some of us are waiting for SBS 2008 before we =
upgrade.....
>=20
> ISA client was written to support ISA 2000 - surely the same could =
be done=20
> for the Fax client support.
> If MS is reading this post - please understand that all you are =
doing is=20
> allowing others to discover 3rd part fax solutions - all for the =
sake of a=20
> tiny amount of recoding. I hope a futher patch of Vista SP1 will =
make us all=20
> happy : )
>=20
> Neil
>=20
> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>=20
> > SBS 2000 is out of mainstream support in accordance with =
Microsoft published lifecycle support...
> > You don't see a lot of support/new functionality for Windows =
2000 pro either...
> >=20
> > Actually the firewall client is pretty independent of the =
version of ISA because the same firewall client works with ISA 2006
> >=20
> > --=20
> > Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft
> > Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
> > "Neil" <Neil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message =
news:1E3759F8-B149-4321-B77B-8EBA3C3D2B38@microsoft.com...
> > I too have had the same issue and find it increadible that =
Microsoft thinks=20
> > that everyone as upgraded to SBS2003 - as clearly this is not =
the case.
> > Microsoft updated the ISA2000 client to work with Vista so =
there seems to be=20
> > no reason why they shouldnt update the fax client on SBS 2000 =
to work with=20
> > Vista.
> >=20
> > Come on Microsoft - it really cant be that hard to do
> >=20
> > Neil
> >=20
> > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >=20
> > > compatibility patches were released for Vista to run with =
SBS 2003, but even there...it requires some manual configuration
> > > don't think you'll have any luck with this on 2000
> > > --=20
> > > Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > Microsoft MVPs
> > > Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
> > > Real World Answers
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
> > >=20
> > > "Andy M" <support@millennium-systems.co.uk> wrote in =
message news:06954D33-A757-4858-8A91-F9B4EDEED130@microsoft.com...
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >=20
> > > Are you able to help? We have a customer running SBS2000 =
and have recently=20
> > > updated some of the client PC's to Vista Business and =
Ultimate. All was=20
> > > working well until they needed to use the Shared Fax on =
the server. The setup=20
> > > wizard can't find the server, no matter what is put in the =
field? Is there a=20
> > > soultion to this problem or is Vista not compatible with =
eariler Microsoft=20
> > > products?
> > >=20
> > > Many Thanks
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Andy
> > > Millennium Business Systems
> > >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When Vista was released, there was no =
support for=20
it with SBS 2003.you could get there with manual configurations but even =
ISA was=20
an issue..it wasn't until almost 6 months later that Microsoft released =
updates=20
to provide compatibility for Vista with the SBS 2003 =
wizards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And Fax is still a manual =
configuration. But=20
they did not (and will not be) releasing similar patches for SBS=20
2000. All efforts now are concentrated on SBS 2008 =
which is=20
expected to be out in the next 6 months.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not convinced that MS is required =
to "put a=20
warning on Vista". In fact they've been very proactive with =
Vista=20
SP1 regarding the handful of drivers that could be an issue for Vista =
SP1. =20
As a Microsoft Partner myself, I don't expect anything to work with =
anything=20
else. So I test it before any of my customers get their =
hands on=20
it. And none of my customers are on 2000 any more. =
While you=20
may have waited until 2002 to install, that doesn't change Microsoft's =
published=20
times for support. My rule with my customers is 5 =
years. =20
Desktops and servers. With the way technology is =
changing...longer=20
than that is just not reasonable. And with the licensing options =
available=20
from MS, spreading the payments out over 3 years, and the prices for =
hardware=20
dropping all the time...it shouldn't be too tough for most customers to =
stick to=20
that schedule.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna [SBS -=20
MVP]<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>MV=
Ps Do=20
Not Work for Microsoft<BR>Please do not contact me directly regarding=20
issues</DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Neil" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Neil@discussions.microsoft.com">Neil@discussions.microsoft=
.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:DC8D5AA0-7F93-45FD-8CDD-AE3004CCE7FD@microsoft.com">news:DC8=
D5AA0-7F93-45FD-8CDD-AE3004CCE7FD@microsoft.com</A>...</DIV>Good=20
point but as a Microsoft reseller, We tried Vista at its release on =
SBS=20
<BR>2000 and to this day I have seen no official warning from =
Microsoft that=20
SBS <BR>2000 fax does not work with Vista. XP will soon go the way of =
the Dodo=20
and <BR>yet I find it hard to believe that a future SBS product's fax =
solution=20
wont <BR>work with it. <BR>We installed SBS2000 in 2002 - so it really =
isnt a=20
hard stretch to think <BR>that a major feature like shared fax support =
would=20
be written out of the <BR>replacement operation system to XP - and =
certainly=20
not in such a small amount <BR>of time.<BR>If there was some warning =
that came=20
with Vista - of the features that were <BR>not supported on earlier =
servers -=20
at least the public would be forwarned. <BR>Instead countless hours =
and days=20
of testing for nothing - this is simply <BR>unacceptable. Microsoft =
knew they=20
were dropping the support of Shared fax on <BR>SBS 2000 - they should =
have=20
documented it !<BR>I might add that Shared fax is the only feature in =
SBS 2000=20
that I have <BR>found does not work with Vista.<BR>Anyway, thats my 5c =
worth<BR>I hope that Micosoft does read these groups sometimes ;=20
)<BR><BR>Neil<BR><BR>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:<BR><BR>> Perhaps =
the=20
smart choice would have been to investigate whether or not to purchase =
machines with Vista would be compatible with all the features you =
need<BR>>=20
There are still plenty of options for purchasing machines with =
XP.<BR>>=20
<BR>> And no, microsoft does not read these (well very rarely=20
anyway)<BR>> I can tell you with 99.9% certainty, that there will =
be no=20
more changes, updates, upgrades for SBS 2000<BR>> -- <BR>> Cris =
Hanna=20
[SBS - MVP]<BR>>=20
-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>> =
MVPs Do=20
Not Work for Microsoft<BR>> Please do not contact me directly =
regarding=20
issues<BR>> "Neil" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Neil@discussions.microsoft.com">Neil@discussions.microsoft=
.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:577BA603-D2EF-4E77-BE1C-C0CB399771D4@microsoft.com">news:577=
BA603-D2EF-4E77-BE1C-C0CB399771D4@microsoft.com</A>...<BR>>  =
;=20
Ah yes but I thought SBS 2000 was a server product that worked with =
ALL=20
<BR>> Microsoft clients - silly me - I forgot that MS =
want to=20
force people to <BR>> upgrade.<BR>> The =
fix=20
would be simple and clearly is a design plan to hurt their loyal=20
<BR>> server base.<BR>> I would imagine =
a few=20
lines of code would allow for the support.<BR>> Come on =
Microsoft - some of us are waiting for SBS 2008 before we =
upgrade.....<BR>>=20
<BR>> ISA client was written to support ISA 2000 - =
surely the=20
same could be done <BR>> for the Fax client=20
support.<BR>> If MS is reading this post - please =
understand=20
that all you are doing is <BR>> allowing others to =
discover 3rd=20
part fax solutions - all for the sake of a <BR>> tiny =
amount of=20
recoding. I hope a futher patch of Vista SP1 will make us all=20
<BR>> happy : )<BR>> <BR>> =
Neil<BR>>=20
<BR>> "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>> > SBS 2000 is out of mainstream support in =
accordance=20
with Microsoft published lifecycle support...<BR>> > =
You=20
don't see a lot of support/new functionality for Windows 2000 pro=20
either...<BR>> > <BR>> > Actually =
the=20
firewall client is pretty independent of the version of ISA because =
the same=20
firewall client works with ISA 2006<BR>> >=20
<BR>> > -- <BR>> > Cris Hanna [SBS =
-=20
MVP]<BR>> >=20
=
-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>> =
=20
> MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft<BR>> > Please do =
not=20
contact me directly regarding issues<BR>> =
> =20
"Neil" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Neil@discussions.microsoft.com">Neil@discussions.microsoft=
.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:1E3759F8-B149-4321-B77B-8EBA3C3D2B38@microsoft.com">news:1E3=
759F8-B149-4321-B77B-8EBA3C3D2B38@microsoft.com</A>...<BR>>  =
;=20
> I too have had the same issue and find it increadible =
that=20
Microsoft thinks <BR>> > that everyone =
as=20
upgraded to SBS2003 - as clearly this is not the =
case.<BR>> =20
> Microsoft updated the ISA2000 client to work with =
Vista so=20
there seems to be <BR>> > no reason why =
they=20
shouldnt update the fax client on SBS 2000 to work with =
<BR>> =20
> Vista.<BR>> > <BR>> =20
> Come on Microsoft - it really cant be that hard to=20
do<BR>> > <BR>> > =20
Neil<BR>> > <BR>> > =
"Cris=20
Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> =20
> > compatibility patches were released for Vista to =
run=20
with SBS 2003, but even there...it requires some manual=20
configuration<BR>> > > don't think =
you'll=20
have any luck with this on 2000<BR>> > =
> --=20
<BR>> > > Cris Hanna=20
[SBS-MVP]<BR>> > >=20
-------------------------------------------------<BR>> =20
> > Microsoft MVPs<BR>> =
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