Hi

I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10 users.
What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that it's good
to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which case,
should the router be NAT or non-NAT?

Regards
Nick (UK)

Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Kevin

Kevin
Thu Jan 15 07:46:58 CST 2004

yes, best practice is two nic cards. see www.smallbizserver.net for example
configuration layouts. I'll let someone else answer the Nat -vs- Non-Nat.
-kw

"Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Hi
>
> I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10 users.
> What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that it's
good
> to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which case,
> should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
>
> Regards
> Nick (UK)
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Javier

Javier
Thu Jan 15 07:47:52 CST 2004

Hi Nick!

Use NAT.

Look at this:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCK!!! >>

"Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Hi
>
> I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10 users.
> What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that it's
good
> to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which case,
> should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
>
> Regards
> Nick (UK)
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Kevin

Kevin
Thu Jan 15 08:31:40 CST 2004

Javier - can you expand on "Nat-vs-Non-Nat" in an SBS environment? I
wouldn't even know if my router is Nat'able or not!
-kw

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:O8HNQ422DHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi Nick!
>
> Use NAT.
>
> Look at this:
>
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCK!!! >>
>
> "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
users.
> > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that it's
> good
> > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which
case,
> > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> >
> > Regards
> > Nick (UK)
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Javier

Javier
Thu Jan 15 09:27:54 CST 2004

I have a ADSL router where you can select to assign the internal computers
public IPs (5 max, because of the ISP). If you set it on that mode there is
no NAT and you don't have to do any port forwarding, ect. When you set it to
use NAT (I think the actual term is SOA in their equipment, but it is
basically the same stuff) you get private IPs and you need to do port
forwarding.

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCK!!! >>

"Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@NO_SPAM_gte.net> wrote in message
news:%23gDtLR32DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Javier - can you expand on "Nat-vs-Non-Nat" in an SBS environment? I
> wouldn't even know if my router is Nat'able or not!
> -kw
>
> "Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in
message
> news:O8HNQ422DHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Nick!
> >
> > Use NAT.
> >
> > Look at this:
> >
>
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx
> >
> > --
> > -Javier
> >
> > << SBS ROCK!!! >>
> >
> > "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> > news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
> users.
> > > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that
it's
> > good
> > > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which
> case,
> > > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Nick (UK)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Kevin

Kevin
Thu Jan 15 10:37:58 CST 2004

OK. So, since I'm using a basic Linksys DSL/Cable BEFSR11 router. The public
IP address stays on the WAN (outside), and maps to a default 192.168.1.1 on
the LAN (inside) of the router. The NIC card on the server is 192.168.1.2
(generally). So that's a NAT router - correct?

:-)
kw


"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:O0REKw32DHA.2680@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I have a ADSL router where you can select to assign the internal computers
> public IPs (5 max, because of the ISP). If you set it on that mode there
is
> no NAT and you don't have to do any port forwarding, ect. When you set it
to
> use NAT (I think the actual term is SOA in their equipment, but it is
> basically the same stuff) you get private IPs and you need to do port
> forwarding.
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCK!!! >>
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@NO_SPAM_gte.net> wrote in message
> news:%23gDtLR32DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Javier - can you expand on "Nat-vs-Non-Nat" in an SBS environment? I
> > wouldn't even know if my router is Nat'able or not!
> > -kw
> >
> > "Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:O8HNQ422DHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Nick!
> > >
> > > Use NAT.
> > >
> > > Look at this:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Javier
> > >
> > > << SBS ROCK!!! >>
> > >
> > > "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
> > users.
> > > > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that
> it's
> > > good
> > > > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which
> > case,
> > > > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nick (UK)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Javier

Javier
Thu Jan 15 11:04:58 CST 2004

Yes... that's NAT.

One comment->

>>The NIC card on the server is 192.168.1.2 (generally)

Why do you say "generally"? Are you using DHCP on the external nic?

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCK!!! >>

"Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@NO_SPAM_gte.net> wrote in message
news:%2380XwX42DHA.1704@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> OK. So, since I'm using a basic Linksys DSL/Cable BEFSR11 router. The
public
> IP address stays on the WAN (outside), and maps to a default 192.168.1.1
on
> the LAN (inside) of the router. The NIC card on the server is 192.168.1.2
> (generally). So that's a NAT router - correct?
>
> :-)
> kw
>
>
> "Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in
message
> news:O0REKw32DHA.2680@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I have a ADSL router where you can select to assign the internal
computers
> > public IPs (5 max, because of the ISP). If you set it on that mode there
> is
> > no NAT and you don't have to do any port forwarding, ect. When you set
it
> to
> > use NAT (I think the actual term is SOA in their equipment, but it is
> > basically the same stuff) you get private IPs and you need to do port
> > forwarding.
> >
> > --
> > -Javier
> >
> > << SBS ROCK!!! >>
> >
> > "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@NO_SPAM_gte.net> wrote in message
> > news:%23gDtLR32DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Javier - can you expand on "Nat-vs-Non-Nat" in an SBS environment? I
> > > wouldn't even know if my router is Nat'able or not!
> > > -kw
> > >
> > > "Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > news:O8HNQ422DHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Nick!
> > > >
> > > > Use NAT.
> > > >
> > > > Look at this:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -Javier
> > > >
> > > > << SBS ROCK!!! >>
> > > >
> > > > "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
> > > users.
> > > > > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that
> > it's
> > > > good
> > > > > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In
which
> > > case,
> > > > > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Nick (UK)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Nick

Nick
Fri Jan 30 05:10:30 CST 2004

Thanks very much Javier

Regards
Nick Hill


"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:O8HNQ422DHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi Nick!
>
> Use NAT.
>
> Look at this:
>
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCK!!! >>
>
> "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
users.
> > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that it's
> good
> > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which
case,
> > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> >
> > Regards
> > Nick (UK)
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Nick

Nick
Fri Jan 30 05:11:39 CST 2004

Thanks for the link Kevin, the site is very useful.

Regards
Nick Hill


"Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@NO_SPAM_gte.net> wrote in message
news:eplxM422DHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> yes, best practice is two nic cards. see www.smallbizserver.net for
example
> configuration layouts. I'll let someone else answer the Nat -vs- Non-Nat.
> -kw
>
> "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
users.
> > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that it's
> good
> > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which
case,
> > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> >
> > Regards
> > Nick (UK)
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Nick

Nick
Fri Jan 30 06:10:59 CST 2004

Just a question Javier

Do you know of a link explaining how I set up port forwarding?

Regards
Nick


"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:O0REKw32DHA.2680@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I have a ADSL router where you can select to assign the internal computers
> public IPs (5 max, because of the ISP). If you set it on that mode there
is
> no NAT and you don't have to do any port forwarding, ect. When you set it
to
> use NAT (I think the actual term is SOA in their equipment, but it is
> basically the same stuff) you get private IPs and you need to do port
> forwarding.
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCK!!! >>
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbac@NO_SPAM_gte.net> wrote in message
> news:%23gDtLR32DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Javier - can you expand on "Nat-vs-Non-Nat" in an SBS environment? I
> > wouldn't even know if my router is Nat'able or not!
> > -kw
> >
> > "Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:O8HNQ422DHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Nick!
> > >
> > > Use NAT.
> > >
> > > Look at this:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.smallbizserver.net/sbs2000/With_two_network_adapters_a_static_IP_address_ISA_and_a_router.aspx
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Javier
> > >
> > > << SBS ROCK!!! >>
> > >
> > > "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bu6534$cud$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I'm about to set up an ADSL connection on an SBS2000 system for 10
> > users.
> > > > What is the best practice for this please? I seem to remember that
> it's
> > > good
> > > > to install a 2nd nic & put the ADSL router on the 2nd nic. In which
> > case,
> > > > should the router be NAT or non-NAT?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nick (UK)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Javier

Javier
Fri Jan 30 06:57:13 CST 2004

> Do you know of a link explaining how I set up port forwarding?

From what device? (i.e Netgear Firewall MR314)

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Nick

Nick
Wed Feb 04 09:43:01 CST 2004

There's no router in place right now.

I must admit that I'm confused again whether I need NAT or non-NAT.

Regards
Nick


"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:u576VCz5DHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Do you know of a link explaining how I set up port forwarding?
>
> From what device? (i.e Netgear Firewall MR314)
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Javier

Javier
Wed Feb 04 20:41:53 CST 2004

Ok... I saw that you had a another thread about this (NAT vs. non-NAT). If
that's the reason why you are confused... I think is because you were asking
two different questions.

The gold rule here is that: "You want your ISP to give to a public IP
address". If they provide you with a router... you should get one that hands
out public IPs (Non-NAT). However, if you want a 2nd firewall in front of
ISA for a 2nd lever of protection (or whatever your reasons are) you would
like a NAT router/firewall.

At least... thats my take on this :-)

--
Javier [SBS MVP]

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
news:bvr3uk$t64$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> There's no router in place right now.
>
> I must admit that I'm confused again whether I need NAT or non-NAT.
>
> Regards
> Nick
>
>
> "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
> message news:u576VCz5DHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Do you know of a link explaining how I set up port forwarding?
> >
> > From what device? (i.e Netgear Firewall MR314)
> >
> > --
> > Javier [SBS MVP]
> >
> > << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Best practise for ADSL connection? by Nick

Nick
Tue Feb 17 03:15:06 CST 2004

Thank you Javier

I've always been confused about this NAT/non-NAT stuff! :-(

Regards
Nick


"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:OW3fdG56DHA.2168@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Ok... I saw that you had a another thread about this (NAT vs. non-NAT). If
> that's the reason why you are confused... I think is because you were
asking
> two different questions.
>
> The gold rule here is that: "You want your ISP to give to a public IP
> address". If they provide you with a router... you should get one that
hands
> out public IPs (Non-NAT). However, if you want a 2nd firewall in front of
> ISA for a 2nd lever of protection (or whatever your reasons are) you would
> like a NAT router/firewall.
>
> At least... thats my take on this :-)
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Nick Hill" <nick@mailboxisinvalid.net> wrote in message
> news:bvr3uk$t64$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > There's no router in place right now.
> >
> > I must admit that I'm confused again whether I need NAT or non-NAT.
> >
> > Regards
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote
in
> > message news:u576VCz5DHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Do you know of a link explaining how I set up port forwarding?
> > >
> > > From what device? (i.e Netgear Firewall MR314)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Javier [SBS MVP]
> > >
> > > << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>