Backup Strategies- Suggestions

SBS2K.

Hello,

I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario (let
me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru Thursday
incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups). It
allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.

If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job each
day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule the
backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs set
up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
accordingly?

On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and a
few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system state.
The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the Exchange
store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety deposit
box). Given this, it my plan overkill?

Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they use.
and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure I'm
not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,

Chris

Javier
Wed Nov 12 13:12:28 CST 2003

I don't recall what that article says (or where it is, for that matter)...
but I personally don't like incremental backups (multiple points of
failure).

I usually use a different tape each day for a full backup (2 weeks) and 4
tapes for full backups over the weekend for offsite storage (4weeks). Also,
I keep a ghost copy of the drives (once a month or so) on an off-site
location (very important if you need to do a bare-metal restore). Having an
online imaging software would be great... but it is somewhat expensive for
my clients. Check this out:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/Disaster_Recovery.aspx

My $0.02,

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

"Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in message
news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> SBS2K.
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario
(let
> me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
Thursday
> incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups). It
> allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
>
> If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
each
> day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule the
> backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs
set
> up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> accordingly?
>
> On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and a
> few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system state.
> The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the Exchange
> store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety deposit
> box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
>
> Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they use.
> and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure I'm
> not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>

Chris
Wed Nov 12 15:24:45 CST 2003

Javier,

Thanks for the quick response. A few questions though:

1. If you use 14 tapes, does that mean that you have to set 14 different
backup jobs on the server?
2. What exactly is online imaging software? Do you mean Ghost? I do know
what that is.

Again, thanks for the help.

Chris

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:ugAPNDVqDHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I don't recall what that article says (or where it is, for that matter)...
> but I personally don't like incremental backups (multiple points of
> failure).
>
> I usually use a different tape each day for a full backup (2 weeks) and 4
> tapes for full backups over the weekend for offsite storage (4weeks).
Also,
> I keep a ghost copy of the drives (once a month or so) on an off-site
> location (very important if you need to do a bare-metal restore). Having
an
> online imaging software would be great... but it is somewhat expensive for
> my clients. Check this out:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/Disaster_Recovery.aspx
>
> My $0.02,
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
> "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
message
> news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > SBS2K.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> > Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario
> (let
> > me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> > backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> > scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
> Thursday
> > incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups).
It
> > allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
> >
> > If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
> each
> > day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule
the
> > backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> > weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs
> set
> > up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> > accordingly?
> >
> > On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and
a
> > few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system
state.
> > The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the
Exchange
> > store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety
deposit
> > box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
> >
> > Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they
use.
> > and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure
I'm
> > not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

Javier
Wed Nov 12 15:39:42 CST 2003

> Thanks for the quick response. A few questions though:

No problem.

> 1. If you use 14 tapes, does that mean that you have to set 14 different
> backup jobs on the server?

No... since all of them are full backups I just schedule them based on the
following instructions:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/How_do_I_backup_my_server.aspx
The way it is setup works that no matter what tape is there the backup will
be performed.

> 2. What exactly is online imaging software? Do you mean Ghost? I do know
> what that is.

Just like Ghost... but it is "online" in the sense that the images are being
done while the server is running and on "real time".

Check the link I gave you, for PowerQuest v2i:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/Disaster_Recovery.aspx

--
-Javier

<< SBS ROCKS !!! >>

Leythos
Wed Nov 12 16:35:20 CST 2003

In article <uJ#ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com says...
> SBS2K.
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario (let
> me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru Thursday
> incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups). It
> allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
>
> If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job each
> day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule the
> backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs set
> up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> accordingly?
>
> On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and a
> few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system state.
> The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the Exchange
> store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety deposit
> box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
>
> Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they use.
> and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure I'm
> not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,

Tapes are cheap - if you consider the cost of downtime. I only do FULL
backups of my systems/data on a daily basis. 1 set per day.

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Chris
Wed Nov 12 17:02:39 CST 2003

Thanks again for the reply. I now see that you are performing an unmanaged
backup. I have always tried to perform managed backups with a stand-alone
system. Ill look into this tomorrow and post back on how it goes.

Chris

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
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> > Thanks for the quick response. A few questions though:
>
> No problem.
>
> > 1. If you use 14 tapes, does that mean that you have to set 14 different
> > backup jobs on the server?
>
> No... since all of them are full backups I just schedule them based on the
> following instructions:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/How_do_I_backup_my_server.aspx
> The way it is setup works that no matter what tape is there the backup
will
> be performed.
>
> > 2. What exactly is online imaging software? Do you mean Ghost? I do know
> > what that is.
>
> Just like Ghost... but it is "online" in the sense that the images are
being
> done while the server is running and on "real time".
>
> Check the link I gave you, for PowerQuest v2i:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/Disaster_Recovery.aspx
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
>

Mark
Wed Nov 12 20:08:45 CST 2003

screw incremental/differential!! Full backups daily, weekly, monthly, and
yearly....a 23 tape rotation. Backups are never overkill, loss of data is
costly!

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in message
news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> SBS2K.
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario
(let
> me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
Thursday
> incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups). It
> allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
>
> If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
each
> day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule the
> backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs
set
> up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> accordingly?
>
> On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and a
> few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system state.
> The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the Exchange
> store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety deposit
> box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
>
> Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they use.
> and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure I'm
> not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>

Kevin
Wed Nov 12 20:19:29 CST 2003

Chris, most SBS'ers follow the same thing that Mark recommended - do full
backups every day, and forget about differential and incremental backups.
Why?

1. Because in most SBS environments you'll be lucky to convince your
customer to remember to put in a tape every day
2. If or when you need to access a file from a backup tape, you just get the
last backup tape and go for it.
3. If you try to introduce differential or incremental backups, you now have
multiple backup tapes that you must track, handle, and manage.

-kw

"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:uhn%23PsYqDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> screw incremental/differential!! Full backups daily, weekly, monthly, and
> yearly....a 23 tape rotation. Backups are never overkill, loss of data is
> costly!
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
message
> news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > SBS2K.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> > Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario
> (let
> > me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> > backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> > scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
> Thursday
> > incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups).
It
> > allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
> >
> > If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
> each
> > day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule
the
> > backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> > weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs
> set
> > up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> > accordingly?
> >
> > On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and
a
> > few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system
state.
> > The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the
Exchange
> > store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety
deposit
> > box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
> >
> > Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they
use.
> > and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure
I'm
> > not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

Chris
Thu Nov 13 01:34:44 CST 2003

Mark,

Thanks for the thought. Actually, I never planned on doing Incremental or
Differential. I like normal backups every night. I guess I was mostly asking
about the tape rotations. I like the 23 idea you mentioned. Thanks again.

Chris

"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:uhn%23PsYqDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> screw incremental/differential!! Full backups daily, weekly, monthly, and
> yearly....a 23 tape rotation. Backups are never overkill, loss of data is
> costly!
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
message
> news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > SBS2K.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> > Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario
> (let
> > me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> > backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> > scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
> Thursday
> > incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups).
It
> > allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
> >
> > If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
> each
> > day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule
the
> > backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> > weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs
> set
> > up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> > accordingly?
> >
> > On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and
a
> > few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system
state.
> > The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the
Exchange
> > store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety
deposit
> > box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
> >
> > Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they
use.
> > and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure
I'm
> > not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

Chris
Thu Nov 13 01:35:27 CST 2003

Javier,

Thanks again for the link. I got the .bat file working like a champ. Only
took a little tweaking.

Chris

"Javier Gomez" <javier_gomez@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
news:O7DChVWqDHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks for the quick response. A few questions though:
>
> No problem.
>
> > 1. If you use 14 tapes, does that mean that you have to set 14 different
> > backup jobs on the server?
>
> No... since all of them are full backups I just schedule them based on the
> following instructions:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/How_do_I_backup_my_server.aspx
> The way it is setup works that no matter what tape is there the backup
will
> be performed.
>
> > 2. What exactly is online imaging software? Do you mean Ghost? I do know
> > what that is.
>
> Just like Ghost... but it is "online" in the sense that the images are
being
> done while the server is running and on "real time".
>
> Check the link I gave you, for PowerQuest v2i:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/SBS2000/Disaster_Recovery.aspx
>
> --
> -Javier
>
> << SBS ROCKS !!! >>
>
>

Chris
Thu Nov 13 12:18:34 CST 2003

Mark,

I was thinking about the 23 tape rotation. Are you meaning nine daily tapes
(Mon-Thurs) to cover 2 weeks, two weekly tapes (run on Fridays), 12 monthly
tapes (run Saturdays), and an annual tape (probably run on a Sunday)? This
is what I came up with. Thanks,

Chris

"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:uhn%23PsYqDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> screw incremental/differential!! Full backups daily, weekly, monthly, and
> yearly....a 23 tape rotation. Backups are never overkill, loss of data is
> costly!
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
message
> news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > SBS2K.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small Business
> > Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup scenario
> (let
> > me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few different
> > backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> > scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
> Thursday
> > incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups).
It
> > allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
> >
> > If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
> each
> > day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule
the
> > backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every two
> > weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two jobs
> set
> > up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> > accordingly?
> >
> > On a given day the only things that change here are users documents and
a
> > few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system
state.
> > The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the
Exchange
> > store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety
deposit
> > box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
> >
> > Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they
use.
> > and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure
I'm
> > not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

Mark
Thu Nov 13 19:01:06 CST 2003

Chris,
The 23 tape rotation is based upon Sat being your weekly backups and M-F
being daily but if no one is there Sat then I would do a M-Th and pull Fri
as your weekly and the 30th or 31st as your monthly if you cannot do another
backup. Some companies have to do a regular backup say on the 30th and then
a monthly immediately thereafter. Most SBS, this isn't an issue. My acct
clients just pull Fri as their weekly and the end of month as their monthly.
During tax season, they are there on Sat! Backups are tough as they work
late and start early! But daily, weekly, monthly, annual is really the best
bet.
FYI, I've seen many doctor's office getting ripped off by employee theft
and since many just do daily, we couldn't restore backups and recreate the
paper trail. One DC got taken for about $100,000 b/c his "computer guy" had
daily backups overrighting each other...and they were TR5!!! As I have said
before DLT on ebay!!!! 15/30, 20/40 are under $100!!!!!! These drives have
MTBF of a like a million hours.

--
Sincerely,
Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
www.MCSE2000.com
www.AppLauncher.com



"Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in message
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> Mark,
>
> I was thinking about the 23 tape rotation. Are you meaning nine daily
tapes
> (Mon-Thurs) to cover 2 weeks, two weekly tapes (run on Fridays), 12
monthly
> tapes (run Saturdays), and an annual tape (probably run on a Sunday)? This
> is what I came up with. Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> "Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
> news:uhn%23PsYqDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > screw incremental/differential!! Full backups daily, weekly, monthly,
and
> > yearly....a 23 tape rotation. Backups are never overkill, loss of data
is
> > costly!
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> > www.MCSE2000.com
> > www.AppLauncher.com
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > SBS2K.
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small
Business
> > > Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup
scenario
> > (let
> > > me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few
different
> > > backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might user
> > > scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
> > Thursday
> > > incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full backups).
> It
> > > allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
> > >
> > > If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup job
> > each
> > > day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you schedule
> the
> > > backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every
two
> > > weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two
jobs
> > set
> > > up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the tapes
> > > accordingly?
> > >
> > > On a given day the only things that change here are users documents
and
> a
> > > few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system
> state.
> > > The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the
> Exchange
> > > store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety
> deposit
> > > box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
> > >
> > > Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they
> use.
> > > and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm sure
> I'm
> > > not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Chris
Mon Nov 17 10:07:43 CST 2003

Mark,

Okay, I'm going to buy a DLT drive. Need a little help though. I am looking
at the following three drives:

Compaq DLT 4000 20/40
Compaq DLT 3306 20/40 (340775-01)
HP SureStore DLT 4000 20/40 (C1579A)

I found all three for reasonable prices. The question I have is what type of
tapes do I buy to be compatible? When I look online I find two attributes on
the different tapes: cartridge type and recording standard. I guess what I
need is a little buying advice on the media. I would like to know what's
what before I get the drive. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,

Chris

"Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
news:u9kBHrkqDHA.2848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Chris,
> The 23 tape rotation is based upon Sat being your weekly backups and
M-F
> being daily but if no one is there Sat then I would do a M-Th and pull Fri
> as your weekly and the 30th or 31st as your monthly if you cannot do
another
> backup. Some companies have to do a regular backup say on the 30th and
then
> a monthly immediately thereafter. Most SBS, this isn't an issue. My acct
> clients just pull Fri as their weekly and the end of month as their
monthly.
> During tax season, they are there on Sat! Backups are tough as they work
> late and start early! But daily, weekly, monthly, annual is really the
best
> bet.
> FYI, I've seen many doctor's office getting ripped off by employee
theft
> and since many just do daily, we couldn't restore backups and recreate the
> paper trail. One DC got taken for about $100,000 b/c his "computer guy"
had
> daily backups overrighting each other...and they were TR5!!! As I have
said
> before DLT on ebay!!!! 15/30, 20/40 are under $100!!!!!! These drives
have
> MTBF of a like a million hours.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> www.MCSE2000.com
> www.AppLauncher.com
>
>
>
> "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
message
> news:%23GlKOKhqDHA.2776@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Mark,
> >
> > I was thinking about the 23 tape rotation. Are you meaning nine daily
> tapes
> > (Mon-Thurs) to cover 2 weeks, two weekly tapes (run on Fridays), 12
> monthly
> > tapes (run Saturdays), and an annual tape (probably run on a Sunday)?
This
> > is what I came up with. Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "Mark Mancini" <info@NOSPAMmcse2000.com> wrote in message
> > news:uhn%23PsYqDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > screw incremental/differential!! Full backups daily, weekly, monthly,
> and
> > > yearly....a 23 tape rotation. Backups are never overkill, loss of
data
> is
> > > costly!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Mark Mancini, CCA, CCNA, Master CIW&CI, CNE 4&5, MCSE+I 4&2000
> > > www.MCSE2000.com
> > > www.AppLauncher.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Chris Guimbellot" <cguimbellot@FORGETSPAM.hifranchise.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > news:uJ%23ci3UqDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > SBS2K.
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I have been reading the document "Backup and Recovery for Small
> Business
> > > > Server" which I think is a great insight into the whole backup
> scenario
> > > (let
> > > > me know if there is a better one). Anyway, it describes a few
> different
> > > > backup schedules. After reading this, I am thinking that I might
user
> > > > scenario 2. It uses 11 tapes (8 tapes for two weeks of Monday thru
> > > Thursday
> > > > incremental backups, and 3 tapes for consecutive Friday full
backups).
> > It
> > > > allows three weeks of protection using 11 tapes.
> > > >
> > > > If I user this scenario, would I have to set up a different backup
job
> > > each
> > > > day (because the user of a different tape)? Also, how can you
schedule
> > the
> > > > backup when you have the Monday thru Thursday tapes being used every
> two
> > > > weeks and the Friday tapes every three weeks? Can you just have two
> jobs
> > > set
> > > > up, one for the weekdays and one for Fridays and just switch the
tapes
> > > > accordingly?
> > > >
> > > > On a given day the only things that change here are users documents
> and
> > a
> > > > few changes to the SQL database and sometimes changes to the system
> > state.
> > > > The main thing that may differ vastly from the day before is the
> > Exchange
> > > > store. I need to store tapes off premises (we are getting a safety
> > deposit
> > > > box). Given this, it my plan overkill?
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I am asking if anyone can share a few scenarios that they
> > use.
> > > > and maybe some general pointers as to how to implement them. I'm
sure
> > I'm
> > > > not making much sense, but I'd appreciate any help on this. Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>