Backup Solution Needed

I need a recommendation on a backup solution for SBS2K. I need to backup the
Information Store and the users files on the server daily, to an external
hard drive. The built in NT backup is very limited and cannot do what I
need.

What I need is basically for the backup software to do a full backup every
night, where each night, each full backup is given a new file name. Once the
external hard drive is full, it should start overwriting the oldest backup
first.

Is something like this possible? I know that Arcserve from CA or Veritas
software is excellent, but it may be an overkill for my customers budget.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Chris
Fri Oct 24 05:03:59 CDT 2003

Do you really want to clog up your customers hard drive
with backup files until it's full??

Suggest you speak to your client and get them to check the
real cost of total system loss/data recovery.

Most companies who have used a system for some time come
to depend on it more than they realise. Get them to write
a DRP and see how quickly they want the data back! Just
backing up to the hard drive aint gonna help in the event
of a disk failure!
Failing that,if you HAVE to backup to file, you can write
(and schedule) batch files that will backup to files on
the disk, create 5 and name them monday thru friday - as
part of the batch file, delete a file that already exists
with that name - this way, when you run monday.bat, the
first thing it does is delete last mondays backup file and
so on....
Not the best solution but should work.

Chris.



>-----Original Message-----
>I need a recommendation on a backup solution for SBS2K. I
need to backup the
>Information Store and the users files on the server
daily, to an external
>hard drive. The built in NT backup is very limited and
cannot do what I
>need.
>
>What I need is basically for the backup software to do a
full backup every
>night, where each night, each full backup is given a new
file name. Once the
>external hard drive is full, it should start overwriting
the oldest backup
>first.
>
>Is something like this possible? I know that Arcserve
from CA or Veritas
>software is excellent, but it may be an overkill for my
customers budget.
>
>Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
>
>.
>

Ric
Fri Oct 24 05:15:54 CDT 2003

Chris, how do you intend to backup the information store with a batch file?

The first question I would ask is why it is necessary to keep backups until
the hard disc is full, and then start overwriting them. This seems a
pointless reason to spend lots of money on backup software when everything
but this could be acheived using the humble NT backup utility which isn't so
bad really.

"Chris" <chris@vector-systems.co.uk> wrote in message
news:095401c39a16$25083a00$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> Do you really want to clog up your customers hard drive
> with backup files until it's full??
>
> Suggest you speak to your client and get them to check the
> real cost of total system loss/data recovery.
>
> Most companies who have used a system for some time come
> to depend on it more than they realise. Get them to write
> a DRP and see how quickly they want the data back! Just
> backing up to the hard drive aint gonna help in the event
> of a disk failure!
> Failing that,if you HAVE to backup to file, you can write
> (and schedule) batch files that will backup to files on
> the disk, create 5 and name them monday thru friday - as
> part of the batch file, delete a file that already exists
> with that name - this way, when you run monday.bat, the
> first thing it does is delete last mondays backup file and
> so on....
> Not the best solution but should work.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I need a recommendation on a backup solution for SBS2K. I
> need to backup the
> >Information Store and the users files on the server
> daily, to an external
> >hard drive. The built in NT backup is very limited and
> cannot do what I
> >need.
> >
> >What I need is basically for the backup software to do a
> full backup every
> >night, where each night, each full backup is given a new
> file name. Once the
> >external hard drive is full, it should start overwriting
> the oldest backup
> >first.
> >
> >Is something like this possible? I know that Arcserve
> from CA or Veritas
> >software is excellent, but it may be an overkill for my
> customers budget.
> >
> >Thanks for any and all suggestions.
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Attila
Fri Oct 24 05:21:20 CDT 2003

Thanks, but I tried convincing the custemer for an alternative solution, but
that's all he wants, to backup to an external HD he bought just for that.
If I choose the batch file setup, where can I get help on writing this batch
file?

"Chris" <chris@vector-systems.co.uk> wrote in message
news:095401c39a16$25083a00$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> Do you really want to clog up your customers hard drive
> with backup files until it's full??
>
> Suggest you speak to your client and get them to check the
> real cost of total system loss/data recovery.
>
> Most companies who have used a system for some time come
> to depend on it more than they realise. Get them to write
> a DRP and see how quickly they want the data back! Just
> backing up to the hard drive aint gonna help in the event
> of a disk failure!
> Failing that,if you HAVE to backup to file, you can write
> (and schedule) batch files that will backup to files on
> the disk, create 5 and name them monday thru friday - as
> part of the batch file, delete a file that already exists
> with that name - this way, when you run monday.bat, the
> first thing it does is delete last mondays backup file and
> so on....
> Not the best solution but should work.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I need a recommendation on a backup solution for SBS2K. I
> need to backup the
> >Information Store and the users files on the server
> daily, to an external
> >hard drive. The built in NT backup is very limited and
> cannot do what I
> >need.
> >
> >What I need is basically for the backup software to do a
> full backup every
> >night, where each night, each full backup is given a new
> file name. Once the
> >external hard drive is full, it should start overwriting
> the oldest backup
> >first.
> >
> >Is something like this possible? I know that Arcserve
> from CA or Veritas
> >software is excellent, but it may be an overkill for my
> customers budget.
> >
> >Thanks for any and all suggestions.
> >
> >
> >.
> >

jimbehningmvp
Fri Oct 24 18:32:27 CDT 2003

Look to www.smallbizserver.net for the backup article for a starting
point.

"Attila Csokai" <acsokai@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Thanks, but I tried convincing the custemer for an alternative solution, but
>that's all he wants, to backup to an external HD he bought just for that.
>If I choose the batch file setup, where can I get help on writing this batch
>file?
>
>"Chris" <chris@vector-systems.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:095401c39a16$25083a00$a301280a@phx.gbl...
>> Do you really want to clog up your customers hard drive
>> with backup files until it's full??
>>
>> Suggest you speak to your client and get them to check the
>> real cost of total system loss/data recovery.
>>
>> Most companies who have used a system for some time come
>> to depend on it more than they realise. Get them to write
>> a DRP and see how quickly they want the data back! Just
>> backing up to the hard drive aint gonna help in the event
>> of a disk failure!
>> Failing that,if you HAVE to backup to file, you can write
>> (and schedule) batch files that will backup to files on
>> the disk, create 5 and name them monday thru friday - as
>> part of the batch file, delete a file that already exists
>> with that name - this way, when you run monday.bat, the
>> first thing it does is delete last mondays backup file and
>> so on....
>> Not the best solution but should work.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I need a recommendation on a backup solution for SBS2K. I
>> need to backup the
>> >Information Store and the users files on the server
>> daily, to an external
>> >hard drive. The built in NT backup is very limited and
>> cannot do what I
>> >need.
>> >
>> >What I need is basically for the backup software to do a
>> full backup every
>> >night, where each night, each full backup is given a new
>> file name. Once the
>> >external hard drive is full, it should start overwriting
>> the oldest backup
>> >first.
>> >
>> >Is something like this possible? I know that Arcserve
>> from CA or Veritas
>> >software is excellent, but it may be an overkill for my
>> customers budget.
>> >
>> >Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>

Jim B. SBS MVP
remove the mvp to send email

Chris
Sat Oct 25 18:02:48 CDT 2003


>-----Original Message-----
>Chris, how do you intend to backup the information store
with a batch file?
>
>The first question I would ask is why it is necessary to
keep backups until
>the hard disc is full, and then start overwriting them.
This seems a
>pointless reason to spend lots of money on backup
software when everything
>but this could be acheived using the humble NT backup
utility which isn't so
>bad really.
>
>"Chris" <chris@vector-systems.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:095401c39a16$25083a00$a301280a@phx.gbl...
>> Do you really want to clog up your customers hard drive
>> with backup files until it's full??
>>
>> Suggest you speak to your client and get them to check
the
>> real cost of total system loss/data recovery.
>>
>> Most companies who have used a system for some time come
>> to depend on it more than they realise. Get them to
write
>> a DRP and see how quickly they want the data back! Just
>> backing up to the hard drive aint gonna help in the
event
>> of a disk failure!
>> Failing that,if you HAVE to backup to file, you can
write
>> (and schedule) batch files that will backup to files on
>> the disk, create 5 and name them monday thru friday - as
>> part of the batch file, delete a file that already
exists
>> with that name - this way, when you run monday.bat, the
>> first thing it does is delete last mondays backup file
and
>> so on....
>> Not the best solution but should work.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I need a recommendation on a backup solution for
SBS2K. I
>> need to backup the
>> >Information Store and the users files on the server
>> daily, to an external
>> >hard drive. The built in NT backup is very limited and
>> cannot do what I
>> >need.
>> >
>> >What I need is basically for the backup software to do
a
>> full backup every
>> >night, where each night, each full backup is given a
new
>> file name. Once the
>> >external hard drive is full, it should start
overwriting
>> the oldest backup
>> >first.
>> >
>> >Is something like this possible? I know that Arcserve
>> from CA or Veritas
>> >software is excellent, but it may be an overkill for my
>> customers budget.
>> >
>> >Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

Chris
Sat Oct 25 18:04:46 CDT 2003

I was going to use NTBACKUP from the command line with
the /IS switch (and others)

>-----Original Message-----
>Chris, how do you intend to backup the information store
with a batch file?
>