Pat
Tue Sep 28 23:15:21 CDT 2004
Wow. That's impressive. Does that include deleted email as well?
Thanks for the info Kevin. I appreciate it.
Pat
"Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbacMVP@gte.net> wrote in message
news:%23ULAwRYpEHA.1160@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> As far as backups to recover a particular file, keep in mind that SBS2003
> implements Volume Shadow Copu Services which essentially does this for you
> real time. If someone accidentally deletes a file from the server drive,
you
> can go thru VSS and restore a previous copy of that file - without using
any
> tape or disk backup!
>
> --
> Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
> "The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
>
>
>
> "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> news:uVEt6yVpEHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks Bill for the extensive feedback.
> >
> > What I had in mind was just using the backup utilities that come with
SBS
> to
> > mainly back up Exchange and Data. I plan to upgrade to SBS03 soon, and
I
> > believe SBS03 has resolved much of the LFN vs SFN issues and improved
the
> > ease of restorations. (At least, I thought I read that somewhere).
> >
> > Our main need is a means to recover critical data in case of catastropic
> > failure (i.e. both the RAID1 drives to become corrupted or damaged for
> some
> > reason). If it takes a day to restore, that would not be the end of the
> > world in our case. So I was really just looking for the simplest and
> lowest
> > maintenance approach. Also, if space permits, I was thinking keeping
> > several backups from successives days in case someone needs to recover a
> > deleted file or email, or one of the backups gets corrupted.
> >
> > Thanks again for the help, and any other advice/suggestions are very
much
> > welcomed.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > (Sorry for the delay in responding and hope you see this).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bill Swan" <bill@nospamfirstresponseit.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:ePL3AxOnEHA.3396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Pat sorry not replying sooner as been away.
> > >
> > > Firstly though, apologies for Henry and SG prior comments. Henry
states
> a
> > > good question and SG talking to him he forgot to offer any
suggestions,
> > > Henry was probably waiting for your response...LOL
> > >
> > > Anyhow, backing upto another hard drive poses many questions.
> > >
> > > Using backup software to disk will create a large backup file so needs
> the
> > > new server reinstalled to have the backup software to access the data.
> > What
> > > you have mentioned so far another 120 gb would be fine.
> > >
> > > To have a quicker recovery option you would want to consider '
> replication
> > '
> > > software. This option would hopefully make a complete duplicate of
your
> > > original hard drive. To use this hard drive though would require an
> almost
> > > if not identical server hardware wise. Same motherboard, raid card,
> video
> > > card, nics etc. Some items you could get away with , nics and video
> cards
> > > but some tweaking maybe required when the server came backup,
definately
> > > with the nics. This new server must also have any cards in the correct
> > slots
> > > as the original. This option hopefully is just a matter of removing
hard
> > > drive from pc and putting in server that was standing idle somewhere.
> > >
> > > Either option will put a load on the network and time taken over a
> network
> > > is very long. With regards to the replication software, searching
google
> > > there are many DATA replication programs and you must ensure it caters
> for
> > > operating system and exchange. In addition it can't be done in '
> parallel
> > '
> > > environment i.e server running live on the network because you cannot
> have
> > 2
> > > small business servers running together on the same network.
> > >
> > > Backing up a ' full ' sbs system has its problems. Just search this NG
> in
> > > google for LFN and SFN...long and short file names. There has been
much
> > > discussion on this topic. Me personally I have found it quicker to
> backup
> > > just exchange and data. Compared to restoring a full server and just
> > > exchange and data the latter was always quicker and less problems. Be
> > aware
> > > though there are certain steps restoring from your backup, domain and
> > > exchange names must be the same on a new installation.
> > >
> > > Sorry if this has given you a headache and prompted more questions,
> don't
> > > hesitate to ask.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > www.smallbizserver.net (2000 and 2003)
> > >
> > > microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000 (2000 NG)
> > >
> > > microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs (2003 NG)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> > >
> > >
http://www.sbslinks.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > > news:epVFhSZmEHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > Ya, it's always a judgement call as to which contingencies to plan
> for.
> > > >
> > > > In my location I think the most likely catastropies are a lightening
> > > > strike,
> > > > RAID card failure, or possibly some virsus (or hacker) infiltration,
> > > > although I have systems in place to minimize the chances of these (
> UPS
> > > > with
> > > > surge suppression, A/V software, ISA). I'm willing to put myself at
> the
> > > > mercy of God for the rest (and try to live a good life!, :^).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, -Pat
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Henry Craven" <IUnknown@Dot.Nyet> wrote in message
> > > > news:OJPfihUmEHA.2588@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > >> How does:
> > > >> " Building burnt down and no offsite backup "
> > > >> rate on the "Catastrophic Failure" Scale ?
> > > >>
> > > >> ...Or
> > > >> "vandals broke in and Stole/Trashed the computers" ?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
> > > >> Melbourne Australia
> > > >>
> > > >> "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:uLL$wsSmEHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > >> > Hi Bill,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks for the response. The plan is to installed a new hard
disk
> in
> > > >> one of
> > > >> > our workstations and back up the server to it over the network.
> > This
> > > >> is
> > > >> > for a very small business though, (4 employess) and there really
> > isn't
> > > >> a
> > > >> > whole lot of data. The current disk setup uses a pair of 120GB
ide
> > > >> drives
> > > >> > in a RAID1 (mirror) arrangement, and there are three partitions
> (10GB
> > > >> "C:"
> > > >> > for the OS, 15GB "D" for the Exhange, and the remaining "S:" for
> > > >> data).
> > > >> > Currently only 35GB is being used in total.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The main intent for the backup is to enable us to restore the
> system
> > > >> in case
> > > >> > of catastrophic failure. A 120GB drive seems like it should be
> > > >> sufficient
> > > >> > for this (it's the largest our workstations will handle without a
> new
> > > >> > controller), but I wanted to run this past the newsgroup in case
> > there
> > > >> was
> > > >> > other aspects to this that would dictate something larger. What
do
> > > >> you
> > > >> > think?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks again for the help.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Pat
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "Bill Swan" <bill@nospamfirstresponseit.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > >> > news:OK8Gi%23PmEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > >> > > Hi Pat
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I would ask why ? Is this a removable hard drive ?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > At a minimum it would need to be the same size. Are you wanting
> to
> > > >> backup
> > > >> > > all of it ?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > You must backup any way to clear the exchange logs otherwise
this
> > > >> will
> > > >> > fill
> > > >> > > up the drive the logs are on. ( I usually split my hard drive
for
> > > >> the OS,
> > > >> > > Exchange and then Data.)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Also you may want to bak up the exchange store and individual
> > > >> mailboxes so
> > > >> > > as this is being backed up twice you would need a bigger hard
> drive
> > > >> than
> > > >> > > currrent.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > What redundancy do you have at the moment ? Mirroring, Raid 5,
> > > >> backup to
> > > >> > > tape ?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Hope it gives you some ideas.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Bill
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > > >> > > news:Oui1RQPmEHA.2880@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > >> > > > Hi all,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I would like to backup my SBS server to a fixed hard disk.
How
> > do
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > > estimate how much capacity I need for this (i.e how large a
> hard
> > > >> disk)?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks for any advice.
> > > >> > > >
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