Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
problem?

Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?

Thanks

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by Michael

Michael
Mon Dec 03 00:29:54 PST 2007

Hello,

As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
work fine.

Thanks

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote:

> Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> problem?
>
> Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> Thanks
>

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
Systems Engineer
Visit http://www.mickyj.com

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by compsosinc

compsosinc
Mon Dec 03 14:13:22 PST 2007

On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
<michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> work fine.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > problem?
>
> > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> > Thanks
>
> --
> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> Systems Engineer
> Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
apply to server and not the clients.

I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by compsosinc

compsosinc
Mon Dec 03 14:19:16 PST 2007

On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
>
>
>
>
>
> <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > Hello,
>
> > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > work fine.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > problem?
>
> > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > --
> > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > Systems Engineer
> > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> apply to server and not the clients.
>
> I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by Michael

Michael
Tue Dec 04 15:10:43 PST 2007

If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
allowing every protocol outbound.

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote:

> On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> >
> > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > work fine.
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > problem?
> >
> > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
> >
> > > > Thanks
> >
> > > --
> > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > Systems Engineer
> > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > apply to server and not the clients.
> >
> > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
Systems Engineer
Visit http://www.mickyj.com

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by compsosinc

compsosinc
Tue Dec 04 15:53:25 PST 2007

On Dec 4, 6:10 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
<michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> allowing every protocol outbound.
>
>
>
>
>
> compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
>
> > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
>
> > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > work fine.
>
> > > > Thanks
>
> > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > problem?
>
> > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > --
> > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > apply to server and not the clients.
>
> > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
>
> --
> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> Systems Engineer
> Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks. I tried that already but same problem. I did double-post to
this group this week with better explanation of the steps I have
already taken - thread here:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000/browse_thread/thread/70433eb0b11ff5bf

If you can offer any advice, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again.

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by Michael

Michael
Thu Dec 06 15:13:34 PST 2007

Have you tried using Passive FTP in your client ?

Have you tried using the Microsoft command line FTP to see if it will
connect ?


Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP] wrote:

> If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> allowing every protocol outbound.
>
> compsosinc@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > >
> > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > work fine.
> > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > problem?
> > >
> > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
> > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hide quoted text -
> > >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > >
> > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > apply to server and not the clients.
> > >
> > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
> > >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
>
>

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
Systems Engineer
Visit http://www.mickyj.com

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by compsosinc

compsosinc
Thu Dec 06 15:43:27 PST 2007

On Dec 6, 6:13 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
<michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Have you tried using Passive FTP in your client ?
>
> Have you tried using the Microsoft command line FTP to see if it will
> connect ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP] wrote:
> > If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> > for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> > allowing every protocol outbound.
>
> > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
>
> > > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > > work fine.
>
> > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > > problem?
>
> > > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> > > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > > apply to server and not the clients.
>
> > > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
>
> --
> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> Systems Engineer
> Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have tried unchecking and rechecking the Passive FTP in IE on the
clients.

How do you try the Microsoft FTP command line? If you mean go to
ftp://ftp.microsft.com that has always worked. It's the authenticated
FTP sites that we cannot get to unless we pass the credentials within
the ftp URL.

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by Michael

Michael
Fri Dec 07 17:27:04 PST 2007

From a command prompt,

type in "ftp ftp.microsoft.com" and enter

It will either fail or request credentials.

You will be asked for a user name, use anonymous
You will be asked for a password, put in your email address

See if you can get that far.

Thanks

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote:

> On Dec 6, 6:13 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > Have you tried using Passive FTP in your client ?
> >
> > Have you tried using the Microsoft command line FTP to see if it will
> > connect ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP] wrote:
> > > If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> > > for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> > > allowing every protocol outbound.
> >
> > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> >
> > > > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> >
> > > > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > > > work fine.
> >
> > > > > > Thanks
> >
> > > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > > > problem?
> >
> > > > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > > > apply to server and not the clients.
> >
> > > > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > > > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
> >
> > --
> > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > Systems Engineer
> > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have tried unchecking and rechecking the Passive FTP in IE on the
> clients.
>
> How do you try the Microsoft FTP command line? If you mean go to
> ftp://ftp.microsft.com that has always worked. It's the authenticated
> FTP sites that we cannot get to unless we pass the credentials within
> the ftp URL.

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
Systems Engineer
Visit http://www.mickyj.com

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by compsosinc

compsosinc
Mon Dec 10 05:25:11 PST 2007

On Dec 7, 8:27 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
<michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> From a command prompt,
>
> type in "ftp ftp.microsoft.com" and enter
>
> It will either fail or request credentials.
>
> You will be asked for a user name, use anonymous
> You will be asked for a password, put in your email address
>
> See if you can get that far.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 6, 6:13 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > Have you tried using Passive FTP in your client ?
>
> > > Have you tried using the Microsoft command line FTP to see if it will
> > > connect ?
>
> > > Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP] wrote:
> > > > If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> > > > for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> > > > allowing every protocol outbound.
>
> > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
>
> > > > > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > > > > work fine.
>
> > > > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > > > > problem?
>
> > > > > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequotedtext -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > > > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > > > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > > > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > > > > apply to server and not the clients.
>
> > > > > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > > > > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
>
> > > --
> > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > Systems Engineer
> > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have tried unchecking and rechecking the Passive FTP in IE on the
> > clients.
>
> > How do you try the Microsoft FTP command line? If you mean go to
> >ftp://ftp.microsft.comthat has always worked. It's the authenticated
> > FTP sites that we cannot get to unless we pass the credentials within
> > the ftp URL.
>
> --
> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> Systems Engineer
> Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, that worked. I received the "230 User anoymous logged in".

I have Firewall Client enabled and Proxy server set to point to the
ISA Server at port 8080 in the IE settings.

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by Michael

Michael
Tue Dec 11 13:41:08 PST 2007

It sounds to me like ISA is working correctly.

Something in IE must be set wrong. Are all machines on the network
having the same results ? I.E command prompt works but IE does not ?

Consider downloading a trial of an FTP program like SmartFTP and see if
it is just IE.

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote:

> On Dec 7, 8:27 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > From a command prompt,
> >
> > type in "ftp ftp.microsoft.com" and enter
> >
> > It will either fail or request credentials.
> >
> > You will be asked for a user name, use anonymous
> > You will be asked for a password, put in your email address
> >
> > See if you can get that far.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Dec 6, 6:13 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > Have you tried using Passive FTP in your client ?
> >
> > > > Have you tried using the Microsoft command line FTP to see if it will
> > > > connect ?
> >
> > > > Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP] wrote:
> > > > > If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> > > > > for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> > > > > allowing every protocol outbound.
> >
> > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> >
> > > > > > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> >
> > > > > > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > > > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > > > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > > > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > > > > > work fine.
> >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> >
> > > > > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > > > > > problem?
> >
> > > > > > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
> >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > > > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > > > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequotedtext -
> >
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > > > > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > > > > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > > > > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > > > > > apply to server and not the clients.
> >
> > > > > > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > > > > > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > I have tried unchecking and rechecking the Passive FTP in IE on the
> > > clients.
> >
> > > How do you try the Microsoft FTP command line? If you mean go to
> > >ftp://ftp.microsft.comthat has always worked. It's the authenticated
> > > FTP sites that we cannot get to unless we pass the credentials within
> > > the ftp URL.
> >
> > --
> > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > Systems Engineer
> > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes, that worked. I received the "230 User anoymous logged in".
>
> I have Firewall Client enabled and Proxy server set to point to the
> ISA Server at port 8080 in the IE settings.

--
Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
Systems Engineer
Visit http://www.mickyj.com

Re: Allowing FTP access for clients by compsosinc

compsosinc
Tue Dec 11 15:08:29 PST 2007

On Dec 11, 4:41 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
<michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> It sounds to me like ISA is working correctly.
>
> Something in IE must be set wrong. Are all machines on the network
> having the same results ? I.E command prompt works but IE does not ?
>
> Consider downloading a trial of an FTP program like SmartFTP and see if
> it is just IE.
>
>
>
>
>
> compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 8:27 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > From a command prompt,
>
> > > type in "ftp ftp.microsoft.com" and enter
>
> > > It will either fail or request credentials.
>
> > > You will be asked for a user name, use anonymous
> > > You will be asked for a password, put in your email address
>
> > > See if you can get that far.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Dec 6, 6:13 pm, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
> > > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > > Have you tried using Passive FTP in your client ?
>
> > > > > Have you tried using the Microsoft command line FTP to see if it will
> > > > > connect ?
>
> > > > > Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP] wrote:
> > > > > > If you have the ftp protocol definitions then when you check the rule
> > > > > > for your users, make sure the ftp protocol is selected or that you are
> > > > > > allowing every protocol outbound.
>
> > > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 3, 5:13 pm, compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 3:29 am, "Michael Jenkin [SBS-MVP]"
>
> > > > > > > > <michael.jen...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > > > > As long as the users/groups (members of the group SBS internet users) or
> > > > > > > > > IP ranges for the machines (Client address sets) are allowed on a
> > > > > > > > > protocol rule (port 21 outbound) for FTP (There is a prtocol simply
> > > > > > > > > called ftp already in ISA 2000) and you elect use Passive FTP, it should
> > > > > > > > > work fine.
>
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > > > > > compsos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Using SBS2000. Currently, all client PCs have the Firewall Client
> > > > > > > > > > software installed and the "use proxy" is checked in Internet options.
> > > > > > > > > > No clients can access any FTP sites but the server can. In order to
> > > > > > > > > > get the server to access an FTP site we added a Packet Filter to Allow
> > > > > > > > > > TCP on 20 Inbound and 21 Outbound. As we understand, we need a
> > > > > > > > > > Protocol Rule to allow the clients access, so we added one to Allow -
> > > > > > > > > > FTP-Any request. This did not work. What is a solution to this
> > > > > > > > > > problem?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Secondly, we have another SBS2000 set in another office without this
> > > > > > > > > > problem. In its ISA server config, there is not an FTP Protocol Rule.
> > > > > > > > > > However, in addtion to the "Allow FTP" packet filter, there are a
> > > > > > > > > > total of (4) Custom Filters "BackOffice FTP 20 In/Out" and BackOffice
> > > > > > > > > > FTP 21 In/Out" listed. What would be the difference?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > > > > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > > > > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequotedtext-
>
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks - I do not have that FTP Protocol Rule in ISA 2000. I have a
> > > > > > > > test SBS2000 Server also, and it is not in that one either -- I must
> > > > > > > > have to add it manually??? Both setups do have the FTP IP Packet
> > > > > > > > Filters (Port 20 & Port21); however, I believe packet filters only
> > > > > > > > apply to server and not the clients.
>
> > > > > > > > I will create a Protocol Rule for outbound FTP for the clients. thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Just to clarify, I do have Protocol Definitions for FTP, FTP Server,
> > > > > > > FTP Download and FTP Download Only listed, but no Protocol Rules.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > > > Systems Engineer
> > > > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I have tried unchecking and rechecking the Passive FTP in IE on the
> > > > clients.
>
> > > > How do you try the Microsoft FTP command line? If you mean go to
> > > >ftp://ftp.microsft.comthathas always worked. It's the authenticated
> > > > FTP sites that we cannot get to unless we pass the credentials within
> > > > the ftp URL.
>
> > > --
> > > Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> > > Systems Engineer
> > > Visithttp://www.mickyj.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yes, that worked. I received the "230 User anoymous logged in".
>
> > I have Firewall Client enabled and Proxy server set to point to the
> > ISA Server at port 8080 in the IE settings.
>
> --
> Michael J. Jenkin MVP - SBS, MCP, Small Business Specialist, Senior
> Systems Engineer
> Visithttp://www.mickyj.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for replying and hanging in there...Yes, all systems behave the
same way - all 15. All are using IE7 except the Server has IE6 and the
Server can connect to authenticated FTP sites -get the Username/
password box. I have (2) identical networks like this above and the
second network does the same thing. Note that if in IE7, if we add the
username/password credentials to the FTP URL, it goes to the FTP site.
Also, if we use Windows Explorer in the clients to access the FTP
site, we get the username/password prompt like would would expect in
IE7.

Will look at SmartFTP.Thanks again.