Ok, there can certainly be no criticism of 'lack of information' about
Sharepoint..

The problem is, I have very basic questions and there is just too much
information to get good, simple answers.

We have an all WindowsXP/OfficeXP environment with the one (annoying)
exception of Lotus Notes.

Notes allows document sharing in a way I can't seem to get elsewhere. I
need for a dozen or more people to be able to open & edit the same
spreadsheet simultaneously and transparently. I can do this with Notes - but
that isn't enough of a reason to keep it. I want to do away with Notes and I
need some way for users to share files not normally shareable.

We could use a ton of other features, I'm sure - but this is the immediate,
demonstrable business need.

Can Sharepoint do this? I don't know sharepoint, so a ton of involved
explanation isn't going to help me much - just the facts, ma'am?

Thanks in advance..

K

Re: ...trying to sip from a firehose... by Engelbert

Engelbert
Wed Jun 07 22:55:39 CDT 2006

You can convert a spreadsheet to a SharePoint list and then many people can
open and edit the list simultaneously as they can be amending different
records.

I have no idea what you mean by "transparently" though.

Engelbert

"Kevin" <Kevin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1E8FDDD0-CDA9-484B-8DB4-A1948BEAE926@microsoft.com...
> Ok, there can certainly be no criticism of 'lack of information' about
> Sharepoint..
>
> The problem is, I have very basic questions and there is just too much
> information to get good, simple answers.
>
> We have an all WindowsXP/OfficeXP environment with the one (annoying)
> exception of Lotus Notes.
>
> Notes allows document sharing in a way I can't seem to get elsewhere. I
> need for a dozen or more people to be able to open & edit the same
> spreadsheet simultaneously and transparently. I can do this with Notes -
> but
> that isn't enough of a reason to keep it. I want to do away with Notes
> and I
> need some way for users to share files not normally shareable.
>
> We could use a ton of other features, I'm sure - but this is the
> immediate,
> demonstrable business need.
>
> Can Sharepoint do this? I don't know sharepoint, so a ton of involved
> explanation isn't going to help me much - just the facts, ma'am?
>
> Thanks in advance..
>
> K



Re: ...trying to sip from a firehose... by Kevin

Kevin
Thu Jun 08 09:02:01 CDT 2006

By transparently, I just mean that the other users don't (have to) know or
care that other users are in the file. Toss a spreadsheet (or database or
document, etc) onto a file share and the 2nd & subsequent users get locked
out, read-only or other messages about someone else using the file - just
trying to avoid that & let them all share the data.

Now, in the Sharepoint list you mentioned - does that still 'look & feel'
like the spreadsheet they thought they were using? If user C makes a change,
does that update onto user A's & user B's screens in real time (or do they
have to refresh to see changes?)?

I'm trying to get very basic information to make a decision on Sharepoint or
not and the amount & level of information actually makes that harder - there
is just so much..

Thank you for your reply and that does help - but, as you can see, it also
brings up more questions...

K


"Engelbert" wrote:

> You can convert a spreadsheet to a SharePoint list and then many people can
> open and edit the list simultaneously as they can be amending different
> records.
>
> I have no idea what you mean by "transparently" though.
>
> Engelbert
>
> "Kevin" <Kevin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1E8FDDD0-CDA9-484B-8DB4-A1948BEAE926@microsoft.com...
> > Ok, there can certainly be no criticism of 'lack of information' about
> > Sharepoint..
> >
> > The problem is, I have very basic questions and there is just too much
> > information to get good, simple answers.
> >
> > We have an all WindowsXP/OfficeXP environment with the one (annoying)
> > exception of Lotus Notes.
> >
> > Notes allows document sharing in a way I can't seem to get elsewhere. I
> > need for a dozen or more people to be able to open & edit the same
> > spreadsheet simultaneously and transparently. I can do this with Notes -
> > but
> > that isn't enough of a reason to keep it. I want to do away with Notes
> > and I
> > need some way for users to share files not normally shareable.
> >
> > We could use a ton of other features, I'm sure - but this is the
> > immediate,
> > demonstrable business need.
> >
> > Can Sharepoint do this? I don't know sharepoint, so a ton of involved
> > explanation isn't going to help me much - just the facts, ma'am?
> >
> > Thanks in advance..
> >
> > K
>
>
>

Re: ...trying to sip from a firehose... by JM

JM
Thu Jun 08 12:58:02 CDT 2006

Kevin,

It's hard to truly get a feel for how SharePoint compares without using it.
You may want to consider installing it on a test machine so you can see for
yourself how different aspects work.

We also use Lotus Notes, but I don't know what you mean by "transparently"
either. In fact, I find a major pain point in Notes is the "Save
replication" error that occurs frequently when users are trying to update the
same document at the same time. To me, it is just better document management
to use the "Check Out" feature so that users aren't overwriting others'
changes.

In SharePoint, a user can open a file read-only, or open it in Edit mode.
If they have it open for Edit, and another user tries to open it for Edit,
the second user will get a message stating that and they can then open it in
read-only mode. That's better, IMHO, than trying to merge different
versions after the fact. Secondly, if a user opens a doc that is already
open for edit by someone else, they will not automatically see the new data
real-time; they'd need to get a fresh copy.



"Kevin" wrote:

> By transparently, I just mean that the other users don't (have to) know or
> care that other users are in the file. Toss a spreadsheet (or database or
> document, etc) onto a file share and the 2nd & subsequent users get locked
> out, read-only or other messages about someone else using the file - just
> trying to avoid that & let them all share the data.
>
> Now, in the Sharepoint list you mentioned - does that still 'look & feel'
> like the spreadsheet they thought they were using? If user C makes a change,
> does that update onto user A's & user B's screens in real time (or do they
> have to refresh to see changes?)?
>
> I'm trying to get very basic information to make a decision on Sharepoint or
> not and the amount & level of information actually makes that harder - there
> is just so much..
>
> Thank you for your reply and that does help - but, as you can see, it also
> brings up more questions...
>
> K
>
>
> "Engelbert" wrote:
>
> > You can convert a spreadsheet to a SharePoint list and then many people can
> > open and edit the list simultaneously as they can be amending different
> > records.
> >
> > I have no idea what you mean by "transparently" though.
> >
> > Engelbert
> >
> > "Kevin" <Kevin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:1E8FDDD0-CDA9-484B-8DB4-A1948BEAE926@microsoft.com...
> > > Ok, there can certainly be no criticism of 'lack of information' about
> > > Sharepoint..
> > >
> > > The problem is, I have very basic questions and there is just too much
> > > information to get good, simple answers.
> > >
> > > We have an all WindowsXP/OfficeXP environment with the one (annoying)
> > > exception of Lotus Notes.
> > >
> > > Notes allows document sharing in a way I can't seem to get elsewhere. I
> > > need for a dozen or more people to be able to open & edit the same
> > > spreadsheet simultaneously and transparently. I can do this with Notes -
> > > but
> > > that isn't enough of a reason to keep it. I want to do away with Notes
> > > and I
> > > need some way for users to share files not normally shareable.
> > >
> > > We could use a ton of other features, I'm sure - but this is the
> > > immediate,
> > > demonstrable business need.
> > >
> > > Can Sharepoint do this? I don't know sharepoint, so a ton of involved
> > > explanation isn't going to help me much - just the facts, ma'am?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance..
> > >
> > > K
> >
> >
> >

Re: ...trying to sip from a firehose... by SmartbizAustralia

SmartbizAustralia
Fri Jun 09 07:04:43 CDT 2006

Ahah,

Heard a whisper about some of the new ways to share a spreadsheet in
V3!

This might be your answer.

But in terms of file sharing, you can merge changes with word
documents, so why not with excel?

The idea behind the lists working with excel, and even microsoft
access, is a solution many users love. They can edit/add their data or
even run excel pointing to the list, and only their data changes.

Just create a simple list and then click on the export to spreadsheet
option to see how you can sit in excel and edit the list items over the
web.

And everytime you refresh the list, if someonelse made chagnes, you
will get them.

Tom Bizannes
SharePoint Consultant
Sydney Australia