We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is very
important. But - the version history gives the wrong information about wich
user made a change or when the change was done.

Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history says
confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she or he
wasn't even logged in.

The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but not at
that time.

I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The users
are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.

Any suggestions?

Re: Version history - wrong info! by Engelbert

Engelbert
Tue Feb 21 08:57:00 CST 2006

The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not only
when the document is saved back to the site.

This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.

Engelbert

"Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
> We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is very
> important. But - the version history gives the wrong information about
> wich
> user made a change or when the change was done.
>
> Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history says
> confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she or he
> wasn't even logged in.
>
> The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but not
> at
> that time.
>
> I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The users
> are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
>
> Any suggestions?



Re: Version history - wrong info! by Fundinan

Fundinan
Tue Feb 21 09:15:27 CST 2006

That was a thought I had and was happy to have found the problem, but no, its
more complicated than that.

"Engelbert" wrote:

> The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not only
> when the document is saved back to the site.
>
> This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.
>
> Engelbert
>
> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
> > We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is very
> > important. But - the version history gives the wrong information about
> > wich
> > user made a change or when the change was done.
> >
> > Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history says
> > confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she or he
> > wasn't even logged in.
> >
> > The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but not
> > at
> > that time.
> >
> > I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The users
> > are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
>
>

Re: Version history - wrong info! by Fundinan

Fundinan
Tue Feb 21 09:21:27 CST 2006

Sorry, to quick to post last message :)

Example:
User x has not even logged in to WSS a certain date, say thursday, but still
the version history sets user x to have made a change to the document at
thursday. So the fact that the version changes at checkout does not explain
the problem. :(


"Engelbert" wrote:

> The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not only
> when the document is saved back to the site.
>
> This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.
>
> Engelbert
>
> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
> > We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is very
> > important. But - the version history gives the wrong information about
> > wich
> > user made a change or when the change was done.
> >
> > Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history says
> > confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she or he
> > wasn't even logged in.
> >
> > The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but not
> > at
> > that time.
> >
> > I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The users
> > are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
>
>

Re: Version history - wrong info! by Engelbert

Engelbert
Tue Feb 21 23:42:08 CST 2006

Yes I saw that - that's why I added the "may be" !

Another thing you could look at is whether the server time is the same as
the time on the user machine. Items saved in WSS will be set to the server
time so if the server time is out then the user could quite easily be making
changes that seem to be when he wasn't working.

Engelbert

"Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5A806F96-988F-4CE0-B42B-CC2AEC586481@microsoft.com...
> Sorry, to quick to post last message :)
>
> Example:
> User x has not even logged in to WSS a certain date, say thursday, but
> still
> the version history sets user x to have made a change to the document at
> thursday. So the fact that the version changes at checkout does not
> explain
> the problem. :(
>
>
> "Engelbert" wrote:
>
>> The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not only
>> when the document is saved back to the site.
>>
>> This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.
>>
>> Engelbert
>>
>> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
>> > We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is
>> > very
>> > important. But - the version history gives the wrong information about
>> > wich
>> > user made a change or when the change was done.
>> >
>> > Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history says
>> > confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she or
>> > he
>> > wasn't even logged in.
>> >
>> > The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but
>> > not
>> > at
>> > that time.
>> >
>> > I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The
>> > users
>> > are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>



Re: Version history - wrong info! by Fundinan

Fundinan
Wed Feb 22 02:19:28 CST 2006

I wish! :)
That was one of the first things I checked out, but the time is right both
on server- and client side.

I must say I'm very thankful for all your suggestions though, so swift and
interested!

"Engelbert" wrote:

> Yes I saw that - that's why I added the "may be" !
>
> Another thing you could look at is whether the server time is the same as
> the time on the user machine. Items saved in WSS will be set to the server
> time so if the server time is out then the user could quite easily be making
> changes that seem to be when he wasn't working.
>
> Engelbert
>
> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5A806F96-988F-4CE0-B42B-CC2AEC586481@microsoft.com...
> > Sorry, to quick to post last message :)
> >
> > Example:
> > User x has not even logged in to WSS a certain date, say thursday, but
> > still
> > the version history sets user x to have made a change to the document at
> > thursday. So the fact that the version changes at checkout does not
> > explain
> > the problem. :(
> >
> >
> > "Engelbert" wrote:
> >
> >> The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not only
> >> when the document is saved back to the site.
> >>
> >> This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.
> >>
> >> Engelbert
> >>
> >> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
> >> > We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is
> >> > very
> >> > important. But - the version history gives the wrong information about
> >> > wich
> >> > user made a change or when the change was done.
> >> >
> >> > Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history says
> >> > confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she or
> >> > he
> >> > wasn't even logged in.
> >> >
> >> > The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but
> >> > not
> >> > at
> >> > that time.
> >> >
> >> > I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The
> >> > users
> >> > are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: Version history - wrong info! by Engelbert

Engelbert
Wed Feb 22 03:52:30 CST 2006

I'm afraid all I have left is a user logging in to a PC as someone else ...
(It could happen if user 1 had visited user 2 and used their own (user1)
login to show them something without then logging out when they went home, I
suppose, but it hardly seems likely for all your cases)

WSS isn't in the habit of assigning one user's access rights to someone else
even if that first user has only partially been deleted.

Good hunting!

Engelbert


"Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D020EB26-3C37-495D-92EA-297A84BA6887@microsoft.com...
>I wish! :)
> That was one of the first things I checked out, but the time is right both
> on server- and client side.
>
> I must say I'm very thankful for all your suggestions though, so swift and
> interested!
>
> "Engelbert" wrote:
>
>> Yes I saw that - that's why I added the "may be" !
>>
>> Another thing you could look at is whether the server time is the same as
>> the time on the user machine. Items saved in WSS will be set to the
>> server
>> time so if the server time is out then the user could quite easily be
>> making
>> changes that seem to be when he wasn't working.
>>
>> Engelbert
>>
>> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:5A806F96-988F-4CE0-B42B-CC2AEC586481@microsoft.com...
>> > Sorry, to quick to post last message :)
>> >
>> > Example:
>> > User x has not even logged in to WSS a certain date, say thursday, but
>> > still
>> > the version history sets user x to have made a change to the document
>> > at
>> > thursday. So the fact that the version changes at checkout does not
>> > explain
>> > the problem. :(
>> >
>> >
>> > "Engelbert" wrote:
>> >
>> >> The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not
>> >> only
>> >> when the document is saved back to the site.
>> >>
>> >> This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.
>> >>
>> >> Engelbert
>> >>
>> >> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
>> >> > We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is
>> >> > very
>> >> > important. But - the version history gives the wrong information
>> >> > about
>> >> > wich
>> >> > user made a change or when the change was done.
>> >> >
>> >> > Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history
>> >> > says
>> >> > confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she
>> >> > or
>> >> > he
>> >> > wasn't even logged in.
>> >> >
>> >> > The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but
>> >> > not
>> >> > at
>> >> > that time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The
>> >> > users
>> >> > are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any suggestions?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>



Re: Version history - wrong info! by Richth

Richth
Thu Mar 02 10:27:07 CST 2006

> WSS isn't in the habit of assigning one user's access rights to someone else
> even if that first user has only partially been deleted.

Actually, this bears further study! We've got a site where this definately
appears to be happening, and it has been verified no other user logged in at
that time, yet the "Created by" metadata is being assigned to another user,
thereby allowing them to see the original users posted document. (Users are
not able to see others documents as this is a school setting.) Both
"Document Versions" and "Content Approval" is enabled.

Could anyone point us in the right direction to start tracking this down?

"Engelbert" wrote:

> I'm afraid all I have left is a user logging in to a PC as someone else ...
> (It could happen if user 1 had visited user 2 and used their own (user1)
> login to show them something without then logging out when they went home, I
> suppose, but it hardly seems likely for all your cases)
>

>
> Good hunting!
>
> Engelbert
>
>
> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D020EB26-3C37-495D-92EA-297A84BA6887@microsoft.com...
> >I wish! :)
> > That was one of the first things I checked out, but the time is right both
> > on server- and client side.
> >
> > I must say I'm very thankful for all your suggestions though, so swift and
> > interested!
> >
> > "Engelbert" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes I saw that - that's why I added the "may be" !
> >>
> >> Another thing you could look at is whether the server time is the same as
> >> the time on the user machine. Items saved in WSS will be set to the
> >> server
> >> time so if the server time is out then the user could quite easily be
> >> making
> >> changes that seem to be when he wasn't working.
> >>
> >> Engelbert
> >>
> >> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5A806F96-988F-4CE0-B42B-CC2AEC586481@microsoft.com...
> >> > Sorry, to quick to post last message :)
> >> >
> >> > Example:
> >> > User x has not even logged in to WSS a certain date, say thursday, but
> >> > still
> >> > the version history sets user x to have made a change to the document
> >> > at
> >> > thursday. So the fact that the version changes at checkout does not
> >> > explain
> >> > the problem. :(
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Engelbert" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The version and the date is changed at checkout of the document. Not
> >> >> only
> >> >> when the document is saved back to the site.
> >> >>
> >> >> This may be an explanation for what you are seeing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Engelbert
> >> >>
> >> >> "Fundinan" <Fundinan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:6E9FB9DE-CFD3-4B0A-B59E-1B49018542AB@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > We are using WSS and in some of our projects the version history is
> >> >> > very
> >> >> > important. But - the version history gives the wrong information
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > wich
> >> >> > user made a change or when the change was done.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Digging in to the logs and comparing with what the version history
> >> >> > says
> >> >> > confirms this - a user can be shown to have made a change when she
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > wasn't even logged in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The users shown are always users that DO work with the document, but
> >> >> > not
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > that time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have search and searched for a solution for this, but no luck. The
> >> >> > users
> >> >> > are getting quite irritated, and are thinking of abandon WSS :(.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>