I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run on SQL
Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application pool.
What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the admin
site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a workgroup
prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain. How
will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint automatically get
installed as the default site?

Re: Application Pols by Richard

Richard
Fri Jan 06 09:12:25 CST 2006

I would join the server to the domani before installing SPS, etc.,
especially if your SQL is on a different machine. Ideally you'll have a
domain user account that SPS will use to talk to SQL. If everything's on
one machine, you might still want to use a domain user. Otherwise, if you
move everything to a new server, or split your servers, you'll have to re-do
the Db access.

You choose which virtual site you want to extend. The default is to extend
the default web site, but you can make other virtual sites before the SP
installation and choose them instead. I have 5 portals running on the same
box (4 divisions plus parent compant), none of which use default web site.
If you choose to use other virtual sites, you'll need your network admins to
add a NetBIOS/DNS pointer for that site name, and have it point to your SP
server.

Application Pools are new in Win2K3/IIS6. In IIS 5, all the installed sites
ran as a single application. If one site bit the dust, they'd all go down.
In IIS 6, each site can run in its own app pool. If that site bites the
dust, the others keep running. It's a very nice feature. Besides
stability, this helps with security. Each application pool can have its own
identity (which needs to be a domain account, another reason to join the
sever before installation), and you can assign access to network resources
to the different app pool identities.

If I remember correctly, during SP setup, you'll be asked for an admin app
pool ID, and a default app pool ID, which should be two different domain
user accounts (and not any real user--create new users, like 'SPAdmin' and
'SPUser' or something like that). The setup will configure your Central
Admin to use the admin app pool, and place the portals into the default app
pool. I would guess this is usually good enough for most installations (I
haven't done many, so I say that with little conviction), especially at the
beginning. You can change the app pool identity later, but you'll need to
be ready to fix some permissions in different places (like in the DBs and on
content directories if you have any). Worry about changing the app pool
later--right now just get the thing running under the default and see how
that works.

I don't recommend trying to install SPS without having the Resource Kit
handy (by Bill English), and at least having read and understood the
chapters on installation. For my first portal, it was helpful to run
through the installation once, make some mistakes, see how it worked, then
completely format the server and do it again for real. Fortunately, I have
a very patient boss.

"George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
news:60756ADA-DC8C-4FF6-9520-6C0CE1E76EA1@microsoft.com...
> I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run on
SQL
> Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application pool.
> What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the admin
> site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a workgroup
> prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain. How
> will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint automatically
get
> installed as the default site?



Re: Application Pols by georgedschneider

georgedschneider
Tue Jan 10 10:47:02 CST 2006

The reason for having sharepoint in a workgroup first is because we need to
build the new sharepoint site first and then trnasfer some of the SQL
databases to this new server. After which we need to rename the old
sharepoint server and then rename the new sharpoint server to the same name
as the old server. Is building sharepoint sites in a workgroup going to
cause an issue?

"Richard Dudley" wrote:

> I would join the server to the domani before installing SPS, etc.,
> especially if your SQL is on a different machine. Ideally you'll have a
> domain user account that SPS will use to talk to SQL. If everything's on
> one machine, you might still want to use a domain user. Otherwise, if you
> move everything to a new server, or split your servers, you'll have to re-do
> the Db access.
>
> You choose which virtual site you want to extend. The default is to extend
> the default web site, but you can make other virtual sites before the SP
> installation and choose them instead. I have 5 portals running on the same
> box (4 divisions plus parent compant), none of which use default web site.
> If you choose to use other virtual sites, you'll need your network admins to
> add a NetBIOS/DNS pointer for that site name, and have it point to your SP
> server.
>
> Application Pools are new in Win2K3/IIS6. In IIS 5, all the installed sites
> ran as a single application. If one site bit the dust, they'd all go down.
> In IIS 6, each site can run in its own app pool. If that site bites the
> dust, the others keep running. It's a very nice feature. Besides
> stability, this helps with security. Each application pool can have its own
> identity (which needs to be a domain account, another reason to join the
> sever before installation), and you can assign access to network resources
> to the different app pool identities.
>
> If I remember correctly, during SP setup, you'll be asked for an admin app
> pool ID, and a default app pool ID, which should be two different domain
> user accounts (and not any real user--create new users, like 'SPAdmin' and
> 'SPUser' or something like that). The setup will configure your Central
> Admin to use the admin app pool, and place the portals into the default app
> pool. I would guess this is usually good enough for most installations (I
> haven't done many, so I say that with little conviction), especially at the
> beginning. You can change the app pool identity later, but you'll need to
> be ready to fix some permissions in different places (like in the DBs and on
> content directories if you have any). Worry about changing the app pool
> later--right now just get the thing running under the default and see how
> that works.
>
> I don't recommend trying to install SPS without having the Resource Kit
> handy (by Bill English), and at least having read and understood the
> chapters on installation. For my first portal, it was helpful to run
> through the installation once, make some mistakes, see how it worked, then
> completely format the server and do it again for real. Fortunately, I have
> a very patient boss.
>
> "George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
> news:60756ADA-DC8C-4FF6-9520-6C0CE1E76EA1@microsoft.com...
> > I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run on
> SQL
> > Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application pool.
> > What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the admin
> > site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a workgroup
> > prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain. How
> > will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint automatically
> get
> > installed as the default site?
>
>
>

Re: Application Pols by georgedschneider

georgedschneider
Tue Jan 10 13:35:03 CST 2006

How do I make other virtual sites?

"Richard Dudley" wrote:

> I would join the server to the domani before installing SPS, etc.,
> especially if your SQL is on a different machine. Ideally you'll have a
> domain user account that SPS will use to talk to SQL. If everything's on
> one machine, you might still want to use a domain user. Otherwise, if you
> move everything to a new server, or split your servers, you'll have to re-do
> the Db access.
>
> You choose which virtual site you want to extend. The default is to extend
> the default web site, but you can make other virtual sites before the SP
> installation and choose them instead. I have 5 portals running on the same
> box (4 divisions plus parent compant), none of which use default web site.
> If you choose to use other virtual sites, you'll need your network admins to
> add a NetBIOS/DNS pointer for that site name, and have it point to your SP
> server.
>
> Application Pools are new in Win2K3/IIS6. In IIS 5, all the installed sites
> ran as a single application. If one site bit the dust, they'd all go down.
> In IIS 6, each site can run in its own app pool. If that site bites the
> dust, the others keep running. It's a very nice feature. Besides
> stability, this helps with security. Each application pool can have its own
> identity (which needs to be a domain account, another reason to join the
> sever before installation), and you can assign access to network resources
> to the different app pool identities.
>
> If I remember correctly, during SP setup, you'll be asked for an admin app
> pool ID, and a default app pool ID, which should be two different domain
> user accounts (and not any real user--create new users, like 'SPAdmin' and
> 'SPUser' or something like that). The setup will configure your Central
> Admin to use the admin app pool, and place the portals into the default app
> pool. I would guess this is usually good enough for most installations (I
> haven't done many, so I say that with little conviction), especially at the
> beginning. You can change the app pool identity later, but you'll need to
> be ready to fix some permissions in different places (like in the DBs and on
> content directories if you have any). Worry about changing the app pool
> later--right now just get the thing running under the default and see how
> that works.
>
> I don't recommend trying to install SPS without having the Resource Kit
> handy (by Bill English), and at least having read and understood the
> chapters on installation. For my first portal, it was helpful to run
> through the installation once, make some mistakes, see how it worked, then
> completely format the server and do it again for real. Fortunately, I have
> a very patient boss.
>
> "George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
> news:60756ADA-DC8C-4FF6-9520-6C0CE1E76EA1@microsoft.com...
> > I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run on
> SQL
> > Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application pool.
> > What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the admin
> > site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a workgroup
> > prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain. How
> > will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint automatically
> get
> > installed as the default site?
>
>
>

RE: Application Pols by georgedschneider

georgedschneider
Tue Jan 10 15:11:03 CST 2006

what type of security configuration should use?

"George Schneider" wrote:

> I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run on SQL
> Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application pool.
> What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the admin
> site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a workgroup
> prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain. How
> will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint automatically get
> installed as the default site?

Re: Application Pols by Richard

Richard
Wed Jan 11 14:44:49 CST 2006

Why not just give the new server a second name, build in your domain, and
then rename the servers again? Since you're using domain users, you
shouldn't have a problem. I think you may have issues because domain users
aren't accessible in a workgroup. Workgroups isolate security from the
domain.

To make new virtual sites, use the IIS manager. Right-click on My Computer
and choose Manage. Then drill down Services >> Internet Information
Services, then add a new site. If you're not familiar with this, you might
be getting in over your head with the SPS installation. I'd recommend
holding on for a little bit and familiarizing yourself with IIS 6. I don't
want to come across and a jerk, but a good knowledge of how IIS works is
essential.

You should use Windows Authentication.

"George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
news:95AA96EC-3377-412D-B39E-01559547A932@microsoft.com...
> The reason for having sharepoint in a workgroup first is because we need
to
> build the new sharepoint site first and then trnasfer some of the SQL
> databases to this new server. After which we need to rename the old
> sharepoint server and then rename the new sharpoint server to the same
name
> as the old server. Is building sharepoint sites in a workgroup going to
> cause an issue?
>
> "Richard Dudley" wrote:
>
> > I would join the server to the domani before installing SPS, etc.,
> > especially if your SQL is on a different machine. Ideally you'll have a
> > domain user account that SPS will use to talk to SQL. If everything's
on
> > one machine, you might still want to use a domain user. Otherwise, if
you
> > move everything to a new server, or split your servers, you'll have to
re-do
> > the Db access.
> >
> > You choose which virtual site you want to extend. The default is to
extend
> > the default web site, but you can make other virtual sites before the SP
> > installation and choose them instead. I have 5 portals running on the
same
> > box (4 divisions plus parent compant), none of which use default web
site.
> > If you choose to use other virtual sites, you'll need your network
admins to
> > add a NetBIOS/DNS pointer for that site name, and have it point to your
SP
> > server.
> >
> > Application Pools are new in Win2K3/IIS6. In IIS 5, all the installed
sites
> > ran as a single application. If one site bit the dust, they'd all go
down.
> > In IIS 6, each site can run in its own app pool. If that site bites the
> > dust, the others keep running. It's a very nice feature. Besides
> > stability, this helps with security. Each application pool can have its
own
> > identity (which needs to be a domain account, another reason to join the
> > sever before installation), and you can assign access to network
resources
> > to the different app pool identities.
> >
> > If I remember correctly, during SP setup, you'll be asked for an admin
app
> > pool ID, and a default app pool ID, which should be two different domain
> > user accounts (and not any real user--create new users, like 'SPAdmin'
and
> > 'SPUser' or something like that). The setup will configure your Central
> > Admin to use the admin app pool, and place the portals into the default
app
> > pool. I would guess this is usually good enough for most installations
(I
> > haven't done many, so I say that with little conviction), especially at
the
> > beginning. You can change the app pool identity later, but you'll need
to
> > be ready to fix some permissions in different places (like in the DBs
and on
> > content directories if you have any). Worry about changing the app pool
> > later--right now just get the thing running under the default and see
how
> > that works.
> >
> > I don't recommend trying to install SPS without having the Resource Kit
> > handy (by Bill English), and at least having read and understood the
> > chapters on installation. For my first portal, it was helpful to run
> > through the installation once, make some mistakes, see how it worked,
then
> > completely format the server and do it again for real. Fortunately, I
have
> > a very patient boss.
> >
> > "George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
> > news:60756ADA-DC8C-4FF6-9520-6C0CE1E76EA1@microsoft.com...
> > > I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run
on
> > SQL
> > > Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application
pool.
> > > What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the
admin
> > > site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a
workgroup
> > > prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain.
How
> > > will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint
automatically
> > get
> > > installed as the default site?
> >
> >
> >



Re: Application Pols by georgedschneider

georgedschneider
Thu Jan 12 07:31:03 CST 2006

Thansk for the advice. I misunderstod something you said. Thanks for the
clarifiaction. You didn't come across a jerk at all. I appreciate the
advice.

"Richard Dudley" wrote:

> Why not just give the new server a second name, build in your domain, and
> then rename the servers again? Since you're using domain users, you
> shouldn't have a problem. I think you may have issues because domain users
> aren't accessible in a workgroup. Workgroups isolate security from the
> domain.
>
> To make new virtual sites, use the IIS manager. Right-click on My Computer
> and choose Manage. Then drill down Services >> Internet Information
> Services, then add a new site. If you're not familiar with this, you might
> be getting in over your head with the SPS installation. I'd recommend
> holding on for a little bit and familiarizing yourself with IIS 6. I don't
> want to come across and a jerk, but a good knowledge of how IIS works is
> essential.
>
> You should use Windows Authentication.
>
> "George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
> news:95AA96EC-3377-412D-B39E-01559547A932@microsoft.com...
> > The reason for having sharepoint in a workgroup first is because we need
> to
> > build the new sharepoint site first and then trnasfer some of the SQL
> > databases to this new server. After which we need to rename the old
> > sharepoint server and then rename the new sharpoint server to the same
> name
> > as the old server. Is building sharepoint sites in a workgroup going to
> > cause an issue?
> >
> > "Richard Dudley" wrote:
> >
> > > I would join the server to the domani before installing SPS, etc.,
> > > especially if your SQL is on a different machine. Ideally you'll have a
> > > domain user account that SPS will use to talk to SQL. If everything's
> on
> > > one machine, you might still want to use a domain user. Otherwise, if
> you
> > > move everything to a new server, or split your servers, you'll have to
> re-do
> > > the Db access.
> > >
> > > You choose which virtual site you want to extend. The default is to
> extend
> > > the default web site, but you can make other virtual sites before the SP
> > > installation and choose them instead. I have 5 portals running on the
> same
> > > box (4 divisions plus parent compant), none of which use default web
> site.
> > > If you choose to use other virtual sites, you'll need your network
> admins to
> > > add a NetBIOS/DNS pointer for that site name, and have it point to your
> SP
> > > server.
> > >
> > > Application Pools are new in Win2K3/IIS6. In IIS 5, all the installed
> sites
> > > ran as a single application. If one site bit the dust, they'd all go
> down.
> > > In IIS 6, each site can run in its own app pool. If that site bites the
> > > dust, the others keep running. It's a very nice feature. Besides
> > > stability, this helps with security. Each application pool can have its
> own
> > > identity (which needs to be a domain account, another reason to join the
> > > sever before installation), and you can assign access to network
> resources
> > > to the different app pool identities.
> > >
> > > If I remember correctly, during SP setup, you'll be asked for an admin
> app
> > > pool ID, and a default app pool ID, which should be two different domain
> > > user accounts (and not any real user--create new users, like 'SPAdmin'
> and
> > > 'SPUser' or something like that). The setup will configure your Central
> > > Admin to use the admin app pool, and place the portals into the default
> app
> > > pool. I would guess this is usually good enough for most installations
> (I
> > > haven't done many, so I say that with little conviction), especially at
> the
> > > beginning. You can change the app pool identity later, but you'll need
> to
> > > be ready to fix some permissions in different places (like in the DBs
> and on
> > > content directories if you have any). Worry about changing the app pool
> > > later--right now just get the thing running under the default and see
> how
> > > that works.
> > >
> > > I don't recommend trying to install SPS without having the Resource Kit
> > > handy (by Bill English), and at least having read and understood the
> > > chapters on installation. For my first portal, it was helpful to run
> > > through the installation once, make some mistakes, see how it worked,
> then
> > > completely format the server and do it again for real. Fortunately, I
> have
> > > a very patient boss.
> > >
> > > "George Schneider" <georgedschneider@news.postalias> wrote in message
> > > news:60756ADA-DC8C-4FF6-9520-6C0CE1E76EA1@microsoft.com...
> > > > I am going to Install our Sharepoitn Server which we are going to run
> on
> > > SQL
> > > > Server 2000. During the setup process it asks for an application
> pool.
> > > > What is a Application pool and do I need to define a new one for the
> admin
> > > > site as well as the regualr site? Also I'm instaling this in a
> workgroup
> > > > prior to deployment. Eventual I will join the server to the domain.
> How
> > > > will this effect the Sharepoint site. Also does sharepoint
> automatically
> > > get
> > > > installed as the default site?
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>