c++ certification?

Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are useful to
have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or freelancing etc)

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Best regards
Mark

Klueless
Thu Nov 24 18:04:41 CST 2005

"Mark" <swozz_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23svDG5U8FHA.1292@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are useful to have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or
> freelancing etc)

Two Visual C++ exams:

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-015.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-016.asp

Igor
Thu Nov 24 21:26:10 CST 2005

"Klueless" <klueless@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> "Mark" <swozz_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23svDG5U8FHA.1292@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are
>> useful to have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or
>> freelancing etc)
>
> Two Visual C++ exams:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-015.asp
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-016.asp

Both of these exams were discontinued in June 2004. There are no MS
certifications in C++ at this time. Nor do I know of one from any other
vendor. Except for http://brainbench.com/ - but I don't believe anybody
takes this one seriously.

I've been both hiring and job hunting fairly recently - in my experience
there is now no C++ certification any employer cares about. An MCP
certificate may actually hurt your chances in some quarters rather than
helping them.
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With best wishes,
Igor Tandetnik

With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not
necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to
land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly
overhead. -- RFC 1925

ama
Fri Nov 25 06:51:21 CST 2005


"Mark"
> Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are useful to
> have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or freelancing etc)

> Best regards
> Mark

Here's a link you may like :

http://www.selftestsoftware.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=1000

Scherbina
Sun Nov 27 14:08:38 CST 2005

IIRC there're a lot of companies (in Russia) that're hiring employers using
tests from http://brainbench.com/.
IMHO one of them is Kasperksy Lab. Am I wrong ? ;)

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Scherbina Vladimir

"Igor Tandetnik" <itandetnik@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> "Klueless" <klueless@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:tyshf.89094$qk4.7928@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> "Mark" <swozz_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23svDG5U8FHA.1292@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are useful
>>> to have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or freelancing etc)
>>
>> Two Visual C++ exams:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-015.asp
>> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-016.asp
>
> Both of these exams were discontinued in June 2004. There are no MS
> certifications in C++ at this time. Nor do I know of one from any other
> vendor. Except for http://brainbench.com/ - but I don't believe anybody
> takes this one seriously.
>
> I've been both hiring and job hunting fairly recently - in my experience
> there is now no C++ certification any employer cares about. An MCP
> certificate may actually hurt your chances in some quarters rather than
> helping them.
> --
> With best wishes,
> Igor Tandetnik
>
> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not
> necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to
> land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly
> overhead. -- RFC 1925
>

Igor
Sun Nov 27 14:29:29 CST 2005

"Scherbina Vladimir" <vladimir.scherbina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23B6Uc548FHA.1484@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl
> IIRC there're a lot of companies (in Russia) that're hiring employers
> using tests from http://brainbench.com/.
> IMHO one of them is Kasperksy Lab. Am I wrong ? ;)

I don't know. I haven't been to Russia since 1999, and I have not job
hunted in Russia since 1993. Back then, nobody heard of Brainbench as
far as I could tell (I'm not sure they even existed). Here in the US,
nobody seems to know or care about them now, again as far as I can tell.
--
With best wishes,
Igor Tandetnik

With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not
necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to
land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly
overhead. -- RFC 1925

Mark
Sun Nov 27 14:32:01 CST 2005

Brainbench test's are a joke. For one job I was forced to take the C++ test
and now that it is on my CV no one takes it seriously -- even though their
tests are harder than the MS tests. Employers are sure to tech you before
they hire you.

Cheers,
Mark

"ama" wrote:

>
> "Mark"
> > Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are useful to
> > have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or freelancing etc)
>
> > Best regards
> > Mark
>
> Here's a link you may like :
>
> http://www.selftestsoftware.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=1000
>
>
>

Mark
Sun Nov 27 23:50:01 CST 2005

> An MCP certificate may actually hurt your chances in some quarters rather
than
> helping them.

Why do you say this?

Mark

"Igor Tandetnik" wrote:

> "Klueless" <klueless@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:tyshf.89094$qk4.7928@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > "Mark" <swozz_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23svDG5U8FHA.1292@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> Does anyone know of any certificates in C++ programming that are
> >> useful to have in the industry? (In terms of getting a job or
> >> freelancing etc)
> >
> > Two Visual C++ exams:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-015.asp
> > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-016.asp
>
> Both of these exams were discontinued in June 2004. There are no MS
> certifications in C++ at this time. Nor do I know of one from any other
> vendor. Except for http://brainbench.com/ - but I don't believe anybody
> takes this one seriously.
>
> I've been both hiring and job hunting fairly recently - in my experience
> there is now no C++ certification any employer cares about. An MCP
> certificate may actually hurt your chances in some quarters rather than
> helping them.
> --
> With best wishes,
> Igor Tandetnik
>
> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not
> necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to
> land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly
> overhead. -- RFC 1925
>
>
>

Igor
Mon Nov 28 09:38:59 CST 2005

Mark <Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> An MCP certificate may actually hurt your chances in some quarters
>> rather than helping them.
>
> Why do you say this?

Some people feel that MCP exams test the wrong skills. They believe that
there are so many "paper MCPs" that it completely devalues the brand.
Search newsgroup archives for the term "paper MCP" to see what I mean.
E.g.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.certification.mcse/msg/5931181673c5ad7b

--
With best wishes,
Igor Tandetnik

With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not
necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to
land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly
overhead. -- RFC 1925

Alexander
Mon Nov 28 10:20:39 CST 2005

I've got a feeling that those exams test how well you can memorize those
things you don't have to remember (what are arguments of CreateSomething
function and all the flags passed to it?). The kind of things I'd rather
look up in the doc.

"Igor Tandetnik" <itandetnik@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:e9KAbHD9FHA.1028@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Mark <Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> An MCP certificate may actually hurt your chances in some quarters
>>> rather than helping them.
>>
>> Why do you say this?
>
> Some people feel that MCP exams test the wrong skills. They believe that
> there are so many "paper MCPs" that it completely devalues the brand.
> Search newsgroup archives for the term "paper MCP" to see what I mean.
> E.g.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.certification.mcse/msg/5931181673c5ad7b
>
> --
> With best wishes,
> Igor Tandetnik
>
> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not
> necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to
> land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly
> overhead. -- RFC 1925
>
>

Scherbina
Mon Nov 28 16:41:35 CST 2005

"Alexander Grigoriev" <alegr@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I've got a feeling that those exams test how well you can memorize those
> things you don't have to remember (what are arguments of CreateSomething
> function and all the flags passed to it?). The kind of things I'd rather
> look up in the doc.

AFAIR the same type of c++ tests were (and probably are) on
http://brainbench.com/...

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Scherbina Vladimir