Does anyone know how to script this red screen of death when a user does
not have the right security patch or anti-virus software on their systems. I
want to enable this at a login script, but cannot find any information on
how to implement this.

thanks in advance.

Re: red screen of death by Ray

Ray
Thu Jul 15 18:30:08 CDT 2004

What is a red screen of death? I think we've all heard of the blue screen
of death, but not red! If you're trying to purposely blue screen someone's
computer, that sure sounds a bit harsh... You could try this with send-keys
or something...

http://www.jsiinc.com/sube/tip2100/rh2103.htm

Ray at home

"richierich" <rsr2564@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eO49HlqaEHA.2816@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> Does anyone know how to script this red screen of death when a user does
> not have the right security patch or anti-virus software on their systems.
I
> want to enable this at a login script, but cannot find any information on
> how to implement this.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
>



Re: red screen of death by Auric__

Auric__
Thu Jul 15 22:37:18 CDT 2004

>"richierich" <rsr2564@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:eO49HlqaEHA.2816@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Does anyone know how to script this red screen of death when a user does
>> not have the right security patch or anti-virus software on their systems.
>I
>> want to enable this at a login script, but cannot find any information on
>> how to implement this.
>>
>> thanks in advance.

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:30:08 -0400, "Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP]" wrote:

>What is a red screen of death? I think we've all heard of the blue screen
>of death, but not red! If you're trying to purposely blue screen someone's
>computer, that sure sounds a bit harsh... You could try this with send-keys
>or something...
>
>http://www.jsiinc.com/sube/tip2100/rh2103.htm

I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though I
could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank] when
I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the big
nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they did
it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it in a
regular program...)
--
auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
*****
The goal of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other
bastard die for his.

Re: red screen of death by Ray

Ray
Fri Jul 16 06:50:15 CDT 2004

Interesting. I kinda like the idea of a red screen of death. The color
seems a bit more appropriate than tranquil blue.

Ray at home

"Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote in message
news:f3jef0hqis636s9tmcs5t67hpi52iqkhc4@4ax.com...
> >"
>
> I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though I
> could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank] when
> I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
> computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the big
> nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they did
> it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it in a
> regular program...)
> --
> auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
> *****
> The goal of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other
> bastard die for his.



Re: red screen of death by Alexander

Alexander
Fri Jul 16 07:08:28 CDT 2004

Well, B is default background color of SOD. You can change bgcolor and text
color by editing system.ini
================
[386enh]
MessageBackColor=X
MessageTextColor=Y
================

Where X, Y are as follows:
0 = black
1 = blue
2 = green
3 = cyan
4 = red
5 = magenta
6 = yellow/brown
7 = white
8 = gray
9 = bright blue
A = bright green
B = bright cyan
C = bright red
D = bright magenta
E = bright yellow
F = bright white


Al.

"Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote in message
news:f3jef0hqis636s9tmcs5t67hpi52iqkhc4@4ax.com...
> >"richierich" <rsr2564@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:eO49HlqaEHA.2816@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to script this red screen of death when a user
does
> >> not have the right security patch or anti-virus software on their
systems.
> >I
> >> want to enable this at a login script, but cannot find any information
on
> >> how to implement this.
> >>
> >> thanks in advance.
>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:30:08 -0400, "Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP]" wrote:
>
> >What is a red screen of death? I think we've all heard of the blue
screen
> >of death, but not red! If you're trying to purposely blue screen
someone's
> >computer, that sure sounds a bit harsh... You could try this with
send-keys
> >or something...
> >
> >http://www.jsiinc.com/sube/tip2100/rh2103.htm
>
> I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though I
> could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank] when
> I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
> computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the big
> nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they did
> it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it in a
> regular program...)
> --
> auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
> *****
> The goal of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other
> bastard die for his.





Re: red screen of death by Justin

Justin
Fri Jul 16 09:00:18 CDT 2004

Auric__ wrote:
>>"richierich" <rsr2564@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:eO49HlqaEHA.2816@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Does anyone know how to script this red screen of death when a user does
>>>not have the right security patch or anti-virus software on their systems.
>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:30:08 -0400, "Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP]" wrote:
>>What is a red screen of death?
>
> I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though I
> could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank] when
> I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
> computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the big
> nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they did
> it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it in a
> regular program...)

Ah, that certainly makes things clearer. There is Internet Explorer's
theater mode, which could show a red warning screen. Of course, nothing
would stop users from closing, minimizing or otherwise dismissing the
warning.

I have included a code fragment that represents the bare minimum script
that suits the requirements. The function, "UpdatesRequired" can be
customized to suit the situation. Also, you could greatly improve the
utility of the warning by replacing the loop with code which
automatically installs the missing software.

Dim browser, windowClosed
If UpdatesRequired() Then
Set browser = WScript.CreateObject( _
"InternetExplorer.Application", _
"Browser_")
browser.TheaterMode = True
browser.Visible = True
browser.Navigate2 "http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/"

windowClosed = False
Do Until windowClosed
' If there is any processing you want to do while the window
' is open, this would be a suitable place for it.
WScript.Sleep 100
Wend
End If

' Function: UpdatesRequired
' Determine if any software or security patches are missing.
'
' Returns:
' False if all required software was found, True otherwise.
Function UpdatesRequired()
' Scan for missing security patches, software, etc.
UpdatesRequired = True
End Function

' Event handlers
Sub Browser_OnQuit()
windowClosed = True
End Sub

--
Justin Piper
Bizco Technologies
http://www.bizco.com/

Re: red screen of death by Al

Al
Fri Jul 16 13:47:42 CDT 2004


"Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP]" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in
message news:%23s3zdryaEHA.2812@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Interesting. I kinda like the idea of a red screen of death. The color
> seems a bit more appropriate than tranquil blue.

I agree, especially seeing that the official name of the bsod is a "stop
screen", and red is almost universally accepted as the colour that means
"stop".

Perhaps the theme could be expanded to cover error conditions that are
somewhat less death-like in their effect, such as:

- the mauve screen of impending failure;
- the taupe screen of unending blandness and boredom;
- the fuchsia screen of extreme embarrassment;

/Al

> Ray at home
>
> "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote in message
> news:f3jef0hqis636s9tmcs5t67hpi52iqkhc4@4ax.com...
> > >"
> >
> > I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though I
> > could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank] when
> > I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
> > computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the big
> > nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they did
> > it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it in a
> > regular program...)
> > --
> > auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
> > *****
> > The goal of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other
> > bastard die for his.
>
>



Re: red screen of death by Alexander

Alexander
Fri Jul 16 15:41:44 CDT 2004

Can't say I completely agree that red is more appropriate color for (B)SOD.
This screen informs user that system encountered some errors and stop
operations to prevent data loss plus some info on errors. It is obviously
informational post-factum window. STOP sign says "You, Stop Right Here or
Else!" while stop window says "The system has stopped all operatons because
of [some info]".


Al.




"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-drub-spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uRnJkV2aEHA.2812@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP]" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in
> message news:%23s3zdryaEHA.2812@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Interesting. I kinda like the idea of a red screen of death. The color
> > seems a bit more appropriate than tranquil blue.
>
> I agree, especially seeing that the official name of the bsod is a "stop
> screen", and red is almost universally accepted as the colour that means
> "stop".
>
> Perhaps the theme could be expanded to cover error conditions that are
> somewhat less death-like in their effect, such as:
>
> - the mauve screen of impending failure;
> - the taupe screen of unending blandness and boredom;
> - the fuchsia screen of extreme embarrassment;
>
> /Al
>
> > Ray at home
> >
> > "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote in message
> > news:f3jef0hqis636s9tmcs5t67hpi52iqkhc4@4ax.com...
> > > >"
> > >
> > > I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though I
> > > could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank]
when
> > > I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
> > > computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the
big
> > > nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they did
> > > it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it in
a
> > > regular program...)
> > > --
> > > auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
> > > *****
> > > The goal of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the other
> > > bastard die for his.
> >
> >
>
>



Re: red screen of death by Al

Al
Fri Jul 16 17:43:35 CDT 2004


"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9DeRV3aEHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Can't say I completely agree that red is more appropriate color for
(B)SOD.
> This screen informs user that system encountered some errors and stop
> operations to prevent data loss plus some info on errors. It is obviously
> informational post-factum window. STOP sign says "You, Stop Right Here or
> Else!" while stop window says "The system has stopped all operatons
because
> of [some info]".

That is a cogent explanation of the fallacy of the argument I put forward
for changing the colour of (B)SOD's from blue to red. But I'll bet you do
not have any similar logic that explains why blue is an intrinsically better
colour for this function.

In fact, I suspect that Ray and I have both been treating this aspect of the
thread in a somewhat humourous vein, which seems to have been lost on at
least one of the other readers here ;-)

/Al

> Al.
>
>
>
>
> "Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-drub-spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uRnJkV2aEHA.2812@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP]" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in
> > message news:%23s3zdryaEHA.2812@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Interesting. I kinda like the idea of a red screen of death. The
color
> > > seems a bit more appropriate than tranquil blue.
> >
> > I agree, especially seeing that the official name of the bsod is a "stop
> > screen", and red is almost universally accepted as the colour that means
> > "stop".
> >
> > Perhaps the theme could be expanded to cover error conditions that are
> > somewhat less death-like in their effect, such as:
> >
> > - the mauve screen of impending failure;
> > - the taupe screen of unending blandness and boredom;
> > - the fuchsia screen of extreme embarrassment;
> >
> > /Al
> >
> > > Ray at home
> > >
> > > "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote in message
> > > news:f3jef0hqis636s9tmcs5t67hpi52iqkhc4@4ax.com...
> > > > >"
> > > >
> > > > I've seen it before - I *think* it was done by Symantec A/V, though
I
> > > > could be remembering wrong... it was at [large international bank]
> when
> > > > I was contracted (along with ~100 other people) to upgrade every
> > > > computer owned by [bank] in town - right in the middle of one of the
> big
> > > > nasty worm floods last year. Unfortunately, I don't know how they
did
> > > > it, and I don't know how to do it via a script. (I could imitate it
in
> a
> > > > regular program...)
> > > > --
> > > > auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
> > > > *****
> > > > The goal of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the
other
> > > > bastard die for his.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: red screen of death by Alexander

Alexander
Fri Jul 16 18:10:15 CDT 2004


"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-drub-spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OSu1XZ4aEHA.556@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e9DeRV3aEHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Can't say I completely agree that red is more appropriate color for
> (B)SOD.
> > This screen informs user that system encountered some errors and stop
> > operations to prevent data loss plus some info on errors. It is
obviously
> > informational post-factum window. STOP sign says "You, Stop Right Here
or
> > Else!" while stop window says "The system has stopped all operatons
> because
> > of [some info]".
>
> That is a cogent explanation of the fallacy of the argument I put forward
> for changing the colour of (B)SOD's from blue to red. But I'll bet you do
> not have any similar logic that explains why blue is an intrinsically
better
> colour for this function.

You bet :)
Did you see *any* red-grounded/based UI elements (excluding icons or
non-default themes which obviously not the case) in MS OSes?
Ask MS's (or any) GUI usability team for this. Or marketing :))

>
> In fact, I suspect that Ray and I have both been treating this aspect of
the
> thread in a somewhat humourous vein, which seems to have been lost on at
> least one of the other readers here ;-)

Uh..."Sence of humor"? Where's my dictionary?.. Ah, yes I have a sence of
some humor in this thread :))

>
> /Al
[snip]


Al



Re: red screen of death by Rob

Rob
Sat Jul 17 05:17:15 CDT 2004

Ray at <%=sLocation%> [MVP] wrote:
> What is a red screen of death? I think we've all heard of the blue screen
> of death, but not red! If you're trying to purposely blue screen someone's
> computer, that sure sounds a bit harsh... You could try this with send-keys
> or something...
>
> http://www.jsiinc.com/sube/tip2100/rh2103.htm
>
> Ray at home
>
> "richierich" <rsr2564@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eO49HlqaEHA.2816@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>>Does anyone know how to script this red screen of death when a user does
>>not have the right security patch or anti-virus software on their systems.
>
> I
>
>>want to enable this at a login script, but cannot find any information on
>>how to implement this.
>>
>>thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>
>
>
In Windows 95 (!! 95 !!) you could set some Registry entries to
manipulate the color of your Blue Screen Of Death. Turn it into a Red SOD.
I've tried it in newer Win version without result.
Forgot the Registry entries but know I found them by googleling
newsgroups and skipping lots of questions I had back them.

Hope MSFT puts it back in.

Greetings earthlings,
Rob

Re: red screen of death by Al

Al
Sun Jul 18 11:36:23 CDT 2004


"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OC2jQo4aEHA.2812@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-drub-spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OSu1XZ4aEHA.556@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e9DeRV3aEHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Can't say I completely agree that red is more appropriate color for
> > (B)SOD.
> > > This screen informs user that system encountered some errors and stop
> > > operations to prevent data loss plus some info on errors. It is
> obviously
> > > informational post-factum window. STOP sign says "You, Stop Right Here
> or
> > > Else!" while stop window says "The system has stopped all operatons
> > because
> > > of [some info]".
> >
> > That is a cogent explanation of the fallacy of the argument I put
forward
> > for changing the colour of (B)SOD's from blue to red. But I'll bet you
do
> > not have any similar logic that explains why blue is an intrinsically
> better
> > colour for this function.
>
> You bet :)
> Did you see *any* red-grounded/based UI elements (excluding icons or
> non-default themes which obviously not the case) in MS OSes?

No, but then, a stop-screen is supposed to be something somewhat different
in nature from a dialog box - in fact it *must* be as it usually means the
o/s is not fully functional, and likely no longer capable of displaying a
GUI dialog box.

> Ask MS's (or any) GUI usability team for this. Or marketing :))

Actually, I was looking for a more absolute answer, or one based on what is
most effective for the user, rather than just what MS thinks. You have come
dangerously close to saying that what they have done is the best because
that is what they have done. ;-)

Regarding usability issues in general, since stop-screens should not be
displayed that often, I do not think that they necessarily need the same
usability standards as those screens we work with day in and day out. In
fact, they already aren't, as they contain none of the other common GUI
elements, cannot be re-sized, cannot be cut-and-pasted into a file for later
reference, etc.

The main issue is to alert the user that there is an exceptional problem and
explain what should be done about it.

I will admit that RED might not indeed be the best background colour, but I
am not convinced that BLUE is therefore the best. What about green or cyan?

> >
> > In fact, I suspect that Ray and I have both been treating this aspect of
> the
> > thread in a somewhat humourous vein, which seems to have been lost on at
> > least one of the other readers here ;-)
>
> Uh..."Sence of humor"? Where's my dictionary?.. Ah, yes I have a sence of
> some humor in this thread :))

Whew! that's a relief!.

/Al



Re: red screen of death by Alexander

Alexander
Mon Jul 19 03:27:10 CDT 2004

Well, this is already gone too far from my area of experience :). I can see
your points and agree with most of them.



> You have come dangerously close to

> saying that what they have done is the

> best because that is what they have done. ;-)



Not at all. I'm saying that what they have done is the best because I *feel*
so. I can try and put some theoretical backgrounds to this but it would look
ridiculous since I'm not proficient in this area (psychology in general and
usability in particular). However, from user point of view, I *feel* that
blue is ok for this screen. For me it is a best argument. Isn't usability
all (well, almost) about that user feels ok with (G)UI? :)



As for colors, here's my color-emotion chart. Think it's quite standard.



Status OK/operation completed OK - Green

Information - Blue

Warning - Yellow

Error - Red



Another thing that must be taken in consideration is that we are talking
about background of UI element. It does not have to comply with chart above
for whole UI element to give correct emotion feeling. Background is more
static part of UI than other elements.



Al.



P.S. Did I forget to <grin>?





"Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-drub-spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ubAceVObEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>

> "Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OC2jQo4aEHA.2812@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> >

> > "Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]" <alan-no-drub-spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > news:OSu1XZ4aEHA.556@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > >

> > > "Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > > news:e9DeRV3aEHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> > > > Can't say I completely agree that red is more appropriate color for

> > > (B)SOD.

> > > > This screen informs user that system encountered some errors and
stop

> > > > operations to prevent data loss plus some info on errors. It is

> > obviously

> > > > informational post-factum window. STOP sign says "You, Stop Right
Here

> > or

> > > > Else!" while stop window says "The system has stopped all operatons

> > > because

> > > > of [some info]".

> > >

> > > That is a cogent explanation of the fallacy of the argument I put

> forward

> > > for changing the colour of (B)SOD's from blue to red. But I'll bet you

> do

> > > not have any similar logic that explains why blue is an intrinsically

> > better

> > > colour for this function.

> >

> > You bet :)

> > Did you see *any* red-grounded/based UI elements (excluding icons or

> > non-default themes which obviously not the case) in MS OSes?

>

> No, but then, a stop-screen is supposed to be something somewhat different

> in nature from a dialog box - in fact it *must* be as it usually means the

> o/s is not fully functional, and likely no longer capable of displaying a

> GUI dialog box.

>

> > Ask MS's (or any) GUI usability team for this. Or marketing :))

>

> Actually, I was looking for a more absolute answer, or one based on what
is

> most effective for the user, rather than just what MS thinks. You have
come

> dangerously close to saying that what they have done is the best because

> that is what they have done. ;-)



>

> Regarding usability issues in general, since stop-screens should not be

> displayed that often, I do not think that they necessarily need the same

> usability standards as those screens we work with day in and day out. In

> fact, they already aren't, as they contain none of the other common GUI

> elements, cannot be re-sized, cannot be cut-and-pasted into a file for
later

> reference, etc.

>

> The main issue is to alert the user that there is an exceptional problem
and

> explain what should be done about it.

>

> I will admit that RED might not indeed be the best background colour, but
I

> am not convinced that BLUE is therefore the best. What about green or
cyan?

>

> > >

> > > In fact, I suspect that Ray and I have both been treating this aspect
of

> > the

> > > thread in a somewhat humourous vein, which seems to have been lost on
at

> > > least one of the other readers here ;-)

> >

> > Uh..."Sence of humor"? Where's my dictionary?.. Ah, yes I have a sence
of

> > some humor in this thread :))

>

> Whew! that's a relief!.

>

> /Al

>

>



Re: red screen of death by Al

Al
Tue Jul 20 16:58:15 CDT 2004


"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Om%23QBpWbEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Well, this is already gone too far from my area of experience :). I can
see
> your points and agree with most of them.
>
>
>
> > You have come dangerously close to
>
> > saying that what they have done is the
>
> > best because that is what they have done. ;-)
>
>
>
> Not at all. I'm saying that what they have done is the best because I
*feel*
> so. I can try and put some theoretical backgrounds to this but it would
look
> ridiculous since I'm not proficient in this area (psychology in general
and
> usability in particular). However, from user point of view, I *feel* that
> blue is ok for this screen. For me it is a best argument. Isn't usability
> all (well, almost) about that user feels ok with (G)UI? :)

Perhaps. But you are not necessarily the only, or even a representative,
user.

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> As for colors, here's my color-emotion chart. Think it's quite standard.
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> Status OK/operation completed OK - Green
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> Information - Blue
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> Warning - Yellow
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> Error - Red

Hmmmm. A stop screen should be red according to the above ;-)

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> Another thing that must be taken in consideration is that we are talking
> about background of UI element. It does not have to comply with chart
above
> for whole UI element to give correct emotion feeling. Background is more
> static part of UI than other elements.
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> Al.
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> P.S. Did I forget to <grin>?

Apparently not.

I think we have just about covered all aspects of this issue that would have
any interest for anyone - and then some.

/Al