Script writing Training

I am looking to do a lot of scritpt writing training on my one. I have found
Don Jones training at
http://www.scriptingoutpost.com/category.aspx?categoryID=3 as was looking for
comments.
I am wanting to start with some type of classroom training without having to
sit in the class all day. More of an hour a day type of thing...

Any thought?

mayayana
Thu Jun 08 08:52:28 CDT 2006


> I am looking to do a lot of scritpt writing training on my one. I have
found
> Don Jones training at
> http://www.scriptingoutpost.com/category.aspx?categoryID=3 as was looking
for
> comments.
> I am wanting to start with some type of classroom training without having
to
> sit in the class all day. More of an hour a day type of thing...
>
> Any thought?

Isn't that really a question for you to answer for yourself?
People are very different in the ways that they learn. But if
you really want opinions, I'm happy to rail against Microsoft's
overpriced "education" racket. :)

Personally I think it's absurd to pay so much for
"education" that has little or no contact with an actual
teacher. (A mere weekend course and a set of CDs
will cost you about $1,500, according to the page you
linked!) You could buy some books for about $100 and
ask questions here in this group. There are also a lot of
free tutorials and guidance online. (I think Dino Esposito's
book is especially good.)

The main reasons to buy education are 1) you personally
need a great deal of external motivation and structure in order
to learn, or 2) the subject is so foreign that you need very personal
guidance, at least to start, or 3) the course cost is justified
because it will give you some sort of fancy appelation added
to your name that then allows you to write an extra zero onto
all of your paychecks.

It doesn't appear that the options you're looking at will do
much to fulfill any of those purposes.

In the case of Microsoft, it's part of their business model
to continually change the technology and then offer overpriced
courses, often with trumped-up "certifications". Since all
their stuff constantly changes, there are always courses to
take. (Interestingly, there was an article linked at Slashdot
recently indicating that people with Microsoft certification
had less chance at getting jobs because so many people are
getting certification *instead of* experience.)

Paul
Thu Jun 08 13:25:58 CDT 2006

"mayayana" <mayaXXyana1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote in message
news:wYVhg.10525$921.7356@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> I am looking to do a lot of scritpt writing training on my one. I have
> found
>> Don Jones training at
>> http://www.scriptingoutpost.com/category.aspx?categoryID=3 as was looking
> for
>> comments.
>> I am wanting to start with some type of classroom training without having
> to
>> sit in the class all day. More of an hour a day type of thing...
>>
>> Any thought?
>
<snip>

> In the case of Microsoft, it's part of their business model
> to continually change the technology and then offer overpriced
> courses, often with trumped-up "certifications". Since all
> their stuff constantly changes, there are always courses to
> take. (Interestingly, there was an article linked at Slashdot
> recently indicating that people with Microsoft certification
> had less chance at getting jobs because so many people are
> getting certification *instead of* experience.)

I don't think there's anything wrong with getting Microsoft certifications
per se. What is objectionable is the mis-representation of the amount of
knowledge required to do the job properly, and this is where the disparity
between the candidates hopes, and the employers disappointment arises. The
sheer volume of material to be learned and understood in order to
successfully build, configure and maintain servers under Win 2000 including
all the resource books and all the possible configurations required is
vast - but this is not pointed out by the certificate sellers. According to
them you can take a 5, 10, 15, or 20 day course and then become an *expert*
in Win*** for only $xxxxxx thousand pounds or dollars! This is rubbish.
The Microsoft courses themselves in order to be "delivered" in only five
days necessarily skim the subject and have to be closely tailored to the
exam questions. No wonder employers complain about certificate holding IT
personnel of little use to them.

I self - studied MCSE NT4 and it took for ever, months of my time off work
to get the six exams because I was thorough about it, because I couldn't see
how you could do the job without having tested every process in practice.
Of course it would be far cheaper to pay for the 5 or 10 day courses and get
back to work but knowing what? The whole system is screwed. These courses
should be two years at further education colleges but it isn't set-up like
that is it?

Sorry, this has nothing to do with .vbs (which I am presently learning
slowly) but I know how you feel about M$

Incidentally I did follow the link given to the Sapien stuff and I have to
say it looked ok and I don't mind the money for VS101, I thought it looks
ok.

Paul