my laptop might have been stolen, or it is a practical
joke. if i don't get it back in two days i would like to
report to microsoft that the windows system was stolen in
case somebody tries to go online. Does microsoft have a
database of serial numbers of stolen software?
The laptop is not worth bringing in the police and
disrupting our office but i'd like to catch the person if
the computer goes online.

Any ideas?

Re: stolen operating system by g-w

g-w
Thu Jun 10 21:26:13 CDT 2004

dave wrote:

> my laptop might have been stolen, or it is a practical
> joke. if i don't get it back in two days i would like to
> report to microsoft that the windows system was stolen in
> case somebody tries to go online. Does microsoft have a
> database of serial numbers of stolen software?
> The laptop is not worth bringing in the police and
> disrupting our office but i'd like to catch the person if
> the computer goes online.
>
> Any ideas?

Microsoft cannot help you there, you need to have installed special
security software that alerts when a stolen computer goes on the
Internet. Some of the companies claim their software survives a formatting.

g-w

Re: stolen operating system by Jupiter

Jupiter
Thu Jun 10 21:24:10 CDT 2004

Dave;
Microsoft has no way to track it.
If there was a way for Microsoft to track, the people who watch over
privacy issues would be all over Microsoft.

If you choose not to contact the police, perhaps they will send you a
card at Christmas thanking you for the donation.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"dave" <d_zion@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1ad9801c44f56$dd7e7310$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> my laptop might have been stolen, or it is a practical
> joke. if i don't get it back in two days i would like to
> report to microsoft that the windows system was stolen in
> case somebody tries to go online. Does microsoft have a
> database of serial numbers of stolen software?
> The laptop is not worth bringing in the police and
> disrupting our office but i'd like to catch the person if
> the computer goes online.
>
> Any ideas?



Re: stolen operating system by S

S
Fri Jun 11 04:56:11 CDT 2004

I find it hard to believe. Unless the alerting is implemented in hardware.

"g-w" <zz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:9L8yc.2248$Di3.1564@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Some of the companies claim their software survives a formatting.
>



Re: stolen operating system by Lil'

Lil'
Fri Jun 11 08:31:15 CDT 2004

Software/code does not always exist in partitions.
"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eYGObp5TEHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I find it hard to believe. Unless the alerting is implemented in hardware.
>
> "g-w" <zz@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:9L8yc.2248$Di3.1564@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Some of the companies claim their software survives a formatting.
> >
>
>



Re: stolen operating system by Lanwench

Lanwench
Fri Jun 11 09:37:22 CDT 2004

Sure. It can exist in firmware. Which means, hardware.

Lil' Dave wrote:
> Software/code does not always exist in partitions.
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eYGObp5TEHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> I find it hard to believe. Unless the alerting is implemented in
>> hardware.
>>
>> "g-w" <zz@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:9L8yc.2248$Di3.1564@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> Some of the companies claim their software survives a formatting.



Re: stolen operating system by Jupiter

Jupiter
Tue Jul 27 12:33:19 CDT 2004

If any of the software is OEM it was stolen with the computer.
Be sure the police report and insurance claim show accordingly.

As long as you have the original CD Product Key etc, you still have a
valid license to install the retail software as desired.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"rdrodgers" <rdrodgers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1543DA96-4F3E-49BA-B8F4-A5381B8BD9EE@microsoft.com...
> I just had an office laptop stolen. Will MS allow the transfer of
XP Professional to another computer even if the stolen laptop is
running the (now-stolen) operating system? Police report has been
submitted.
>
> Thanks for any replys.



Re: stolen operating system by MarlaJo

MarlaJo
Sun Sep 05 00:01:02 CDT 2004

I too have had my laptop stolen and have a police report, receipts, and
registered it with MS. I too had high hopes that somehow MS would be able to
help recover it if the product key/instance of a specific license of the OS
could somehow be flagged and either (1) when the theif (or whom ever bought
my laptop) checked for updates or auto update ran or (2) my product key was
used for an additional install, even by me, notification could be made to the
police and/or victim as to the internet account holder's identity. If this
type of product ID check is not made , how does MS enforce their copywrite as
articulated in the EULA? Isn't there some manner by which MS notices that one
single-user product key is being used by more than one single user?
And, yes, I now know about the various anti-theft components of some 3rd
party software that, unfortunately for me, needs to be installed prior to a
theft. And, just like Dave, I have to believe that there is a way for MS to
help victims of laptop theft. Perhaps MS can appease the privacy watchdogs
by implementing something that only collects identifying information on a
case-by-case basis using a police report & a substantiated request made by a
person who is the rightful & legal owner of something that has been stolen.
If an OS integrated (thus universal) recovery mechanism was in place
computer theft would drop to a fraction of what it is today. Liken it to GPS
chips in rental cars -- there doesn't seem to be any one in an uproar over
that method of locating someone or something. Or is it that MS benefits when
people are forced into buying a new system prematurely, one which comes with
the MS OS preinstalled & prepurchased? Ironicly, the IP address of the
machine I am using right now is included in the header of this post as part
of an effort to track me down if I am naughty. HAHAHA! But I'm not laughing.

"Chief Rodgers (Xbox Handle)" wrote:

> Thanks Jupiter Jones.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > If any of the software is OEM it was stolen with the computer.
> > Be sure the police report and insurance claim show accordingly.
> >
> > As long as you have the original CD Product Key etc, you still have a
> > valid license to install the retail software as desired.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
> > "rdrodgers" <rdrodgers@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:1543DA96-4F3E-49BA-B8F4-A5381B8BD9EE@microsoft.com...
> > > I just had an office laptop stolen. Will MS allow the transfer of
> > XP Professional to another computer even if the stolen laptop is
> > running the (now-stolen) operating system? Police report has been
> > submitted.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any replys.
> >
> >
> >

Re: stolen operating system by Paul

Paul
Sun Sep 05 02:46:41 CDT 2004

In article <6A71B2F0-9E85-4945-A0A4-EFD391A8364A@microsoft.com>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?TWFybGFKbw==?=
<MarlaJo@discussions.microsoft.com> says...

> Ironicly, the IP address of the
> machine I am using right now is included in the header of this post as part
> of an effort to track me down if I am naughty. HAHAHA! But I'm not laughing.
>
>

Since you're posting with the web UI, this is not true. The IP address
in the header of this post is the IP address of the machine that is
running the web UI you used to post.

--
Paul Adare
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

Re: stolen operating system by MarlaJo

MarlaJo
Sun Sep 05 17:27:03 CDT 2004

So MS has included its machine header address in the posting since there are
all those people posting here not using the web UI and this is interesting
because... Because why? If I don't use the web UI what would I use? DOS?
There are lots of people living in DOS land, last time I checked.
I don't mean to sound flippant, I am here as I respect what I'll learn here
& who teaches me, but I want to stay on target:
MS can and has used its code base to gather the type of user data we're
talking about; therefore MS can help, but chooses not too because.... Because
why? Scared of public outcry concerning privacy rights? Since when is it a
privacy rights violation to aid in the capture of a thief? Indeed, since when
is it lawful to aid and abed criminals which is what MS is doing by not
helping victims of crime when they have knowledge of a thief's whereabouts.
And on the more general side of the topic, since when is the world wide web
private? If I go online I know that I'm out in the public's eye therefore I
am understanding of the fact that what I do online is not private. And
getting back to the another topic mentioned previously, how does MS enforce
its ownership of its software and fight piracy? Or am I to believe that it
is not possible to suffer any serious consequnces for pirating?

"Paul Adare - MVP - Microsoft Virtual PC" wrote:

> In article <6A71B2F0-9E85-4945-A0A4-EFD391A8364A@microsoft.com>, in the
> microsoft.public.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?TWFybGFKbw==?=
> <MarlaJo@discussions.microsoft.com> says...
>
> > Ironicly, the IP address of the
> > machine I am using right now is included in the header of this post as part
> > of an effort to track me down if I am naughty. HAHAHA! But I'm not laughing.
> >
> >
>
> Since you're posting with the web UI, this is not true. The IP address
> in the header of this post is the IP address of the machine that is
> running the web UI you used to post.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>

Re: stolen operating system by Paul

Paul
Mon Sep 06 06:10:03 CDT 2004

In article <F6E023DB-6B97-4516-AE5C-FEC5457ED81C@microsoft.com>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?TWFybGFKbw==?=
<MarlaJo@discussions.microsoft.com> says...

> So MS has included its machine header address in the posting since there are
> all those people posting here not using the web UI and this is interesting
> because... Because why?

I haven't a clue what the above sentence is supposed to mean. The reason
that the IP of the Microsoft server show in the header when posting with
the web UI is because that is how the NNTP RFC works. The NNTP-Posting
host header is defined as the IP of the address of the machine from
which your are posting. When using the web UI, you are posting from a
Microsoft sever, hence that is the IP address that gets recorded.

> If I don't use the web UI what would I use? DOS?

Again, haven't a clue what you mean by this. If you choose not to use
the web UI, as I so chose, there are any number of news clients out
there for Windows, Linux, and the Mac OS. Not really sure what DOS has
to do with anything here.

> There are lots of people living in DOS land, last time I checked.

So, what's your point. There are also news readers for DOS out there. I
really don't have a clue what point you're attempting to make here.

> I don't mean to sound flippant, I am here as I respect what I'll learn here
> & who teaches me, but I want to stay on target:

We are on target. You made an incorrect statement, and I corrected you,
that's on target.

> MS can and has used its code base to gather the type of user data we're
> talking about;

Prove this statement.

> therefore MS can help, but chooses not too because.... Because
> why? Scared of public outcry concerning privacy rights?

Microsoft does not "choose" not to help. They don't collect any data
that could help you here, nor are they in the business of tracking down
stolen computers. Have you any idea how many computers are stolen on a
daily basis? You're suggesting that Microsoft has some sort of legal
duty to expend resources in tracking all of these thefts? Incredible.
You might want to go talk to a lawyer and have them set you straight.

> Since when is it a
> privacy rights violation to aid in the capture of a thief? Indeed, since when
> is it lawful to aid and abed criminals which is what MS is doing by not
> helping victims of crime when they have knowledge of a thief's whereabouts.

Wow, incredible comment here. Microsoft is guilty of aiding and abetting
criminals because they don't track IPP? I guess you're a lawyer. Tell
you what, go file a complaint with the police and see if they agree to
lay charges against Microsoft.

> And on the more general side of the topic, since when is the world wide web
> private?

What? No one ever stated it was.

> If I go online I know that I'm out in the public's eye therefore I
> am understanding of the fact that what I do online is not private. And
> getting back to the another topic mentioned previously, how does MS enforce
> its ownership of its software and fight piracy? Or am I to believe that it
> is not possible to suffer any serious consequnces for pirating?

You don't understand how this works.

--
Paul Adare
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

Re: stolen operating system by Torgeir

Torgeir
Wed Sep 08 19:09:09 CDT 2004

MarlaJo wrote:

> In the response to the last post, the enquiry regarding MS & pirating
> software / multiple installs and uses of a single license was acknowledged
> but was left unanswered. Can you please explain how MS can detect multiple
> installs/uses of a single-use application license agreement and, if not, what
> is to stop anyone from so doing?
Hi

It is described here:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

In short, it creates a hardware hash (will be unique for each
computer), and this hash together with the Product Key (SP1 and up)
is transmitted to Microsoft. Note that after 120 days, this record
is purged from Microsoft's database.

Also note that for all computers from the larger OEM suppliers (Dell,
IBM, HP, Gateway, Sony etc.), no information is sent to Microsoft at
all, no Product Key, no hardware hash, no nothing, they do not need to
activate online. This because they use a BIOS locked CD/Product Key.
When the OS installed with e.g. Dells OEM CD/Product Key boots up and
finds a Dell BIOS, it will automatically activate the Windows Product.

So, at least for laptops, this tracking functionality you sought after
is pretty moot because almost all laptops sold are from these larger
OEMs so there is no information about them stored at Microsoft (and
for those computer that does activate online, the data is gone after
120 days, but that time line could be extended of course).



--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.mspx

Re: stolen operating system by MuhammadAliClay

MuhammadAliClay
Tue Nov 23 09:27:02 CST 2004



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Dave;
> Microsoft has no way to track it.
> If there was a way for Microsoft to track, the people who watch over
> privacy issues would be all over Microsoft.
>
> If you choose not to contact the police, perhaps they will send you a
> card at Christmas thanking you for the donation.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "dave" <d_zion@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1ad9801c44f56$dd7e7310$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> > my laptop might have been stolen, or it is a practical
> > joke. if i don't get it back in two days i would like to
> > report to microsoft that the windows system was stolen in
> > case somebody tries to go online. Does microsoft have a
> > database of serial numbers of stolen software?
> > The laptop is not worth bringing in the police and
> > disrupting our office but i'd like to catch the person if
> > the computer goes online.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
>
> Hi Jupiter, can you help me with Web hosting?
I've a Web site with the URL http://192.168.10.26/ but I don't want this
URL, I want a WWW one. Do I need to have a domain and if yes, how to do one
with XP Pro SP2. Whenever I open the site, I see an underconstruction page
even I'd deleted the iisstart.htm and have a Default.htm page.


Re: stolen operating system by Tom

Tom
Tue Nov 23 10:41:02 CST 2004

Start your own thread!!!

"Muhammad-Ali Clay" <MuhammadAliClay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:8386CC7E-B10A-4829-AEBC-8D4D99B71BB0@microsoft.com...
|
|
| "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
|
| > Dave;
| > Microsoft has no way to track it.
| > If there was a way for Microsoft to track, the people who watch over
| > privacy issues would be all over Microsoft.
| >
| > If you choose not to contact the police, perhaps they will send you a
| > card at Christmas thanking you for the donation.
| >
| > --
| > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
| > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
| >
| >
| > "dave" <d_zion@msn.com> wrote in message
| > news:1ad9801c44f56$dd7e7310$a301280a@phx.gbl...
| > > my laptop might have been stolen, or it is a practical
| > > joke. if i don't get it back in two days i would like to
| > > report to microsoft that the windows system was stolen in
| > > case somebody tries to go online. Does microsoft have a
| > > database of serial numbers of stolen software?
| > > The laptop is not worth bringing in the police and
| > > disrupting our office but i'd like to catch the person if
| > > the computer goes online.
| > >
| > > Any ideas?
| >
| >
| > Hi Jupiter, can you help me with Web hosting?
| I've a Web site with the URL http://192.168.10.26/ but I don't want this
| URL, I want a WWW one. Do I need to have a domain and if yes, how to do
one
| with XP Pro SP2. Whenever I open the site, I see an underconstruction page
| even I'd deleted the iisstart.htm and have a Default.htm page.
|



Re: stolen operating system by Paul

Paul
Tue Nov 23 10:46:54 CST 2004

In article <8386CC7E-B10A-4829-AEBC-8D4D99B71BB0@microsoft.com>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, =?Utf-8?B?
TXVoYW1tYWQtQWxpIENsYXk=?= <MuhammadAliClay@discussions.microsoft.com>
says...

> I've a Web site with the URL http://192.168.10.26/ but I don't want this
> URL, I want a WWW one. Do I need to have a domain and if yes, how to do one
> with XP Pro SP2. Whenever I open the site, I see an underconstruction page
> even I'd deleted the iisstart.htm and have a Default.htm page.
>

This isn't a security related question. I'd suggest that you ask this
question in one of the many web related news groups.

--
Paul Adare
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament],
'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures,
will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend
the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)

Re: stolen operating system by Lanwench

Lanwench
Tue Nov 23 14:01:47 CST 2004

Muhammad-Ali Clay wrote:
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Dave;
>> Microsoft has no way to track it.
>> If there was a way for Microsoft to track, the people who watch over
>> privacy issues would be all over Microsoft.
>>
>> If you choose not to contact the police, perhaps they will send you a
>> card at Christmas thanking you for the donation.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "dave" <d_zion@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:1ad9801c44f56$dd7e7310$a301280a@phx.gbl...
>>> my laptop might have been stolen, or it is a practical
>>> joke. if i don't get it back in two days i would like to
>>> report to microsoft that the windows system was stolen in
>>> case somebody tries to go online. Does microsoft have a
>>> database of serial numbers of stolen software?
>>> The laptop is not worth bringing in the police and
>>> disrupting our office but i'd like to catch the person if
>>> the computer goes online.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>> Hi Jupiter, can you help me with Web hosting?
> I've a Web site with the URL http://192.168.10.26/ but I don't want
> this URL, I want a WWW one. Do I need to have a domain and if yes,
> how to do one with XP Pro SP2. Whenever I open the site, I see an
> underconstruction page even I'd deleted the iisstart.htm and have a
> Default.htm page.

Hi - if you have a question, post it as a new thread in a relevant
newsgroup. Your question isn't
relevant in this one, and few people are likely to see it.

That said, you need to register an Internet domain name and have your
ISP/DNS host set up the record you wish.

I wouldn't host a website on your home/office PC, anyway, although it can be
done if you really want. I think it's a security risk - and you are unlikely
to have the infrastructure in place to run anything useful anyway. Hosting
accounts are cheap - I'd look into an external hosting company.




Re: stolen operating system by jeff

jeff
Wed Nov 24 10:20:41 CST 2004

>> Hi Jupiter, can you help me with Web hosting?
>I've a Web site with the URL http://192.168.10.26/ but I don't want this
>URL, I want a WWW one. Do I need to have a domain and if yes, how to do one
>with XP Pro SP2. Whenever I open the site, I see an underconstruction page
>even I'd deleted the iisstart.htm and have a Default.htm page.

Great question, wrong group. Try the IIS group where this is
on-topic.

Jeff