Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?

Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?


I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
Explorer.

In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.

Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
again and again.

About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
customer service has suffered.

He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
better "win-win" solution.

Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
want to do it.
I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
I guess that makes sense.

I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
good idea.
Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
readily available for use.

Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
creative).

Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.

If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.

Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
Got any ideas for me?
If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
questions).

Thanks.

Ralph

Roger
Sat Dec 18 13:22:52 CST 2004

Well, IE cannot be removed, it is tied into the OS, so this
perhaps explains the corporate response.
Do you have an administrator account ?
If so, locate iexplore.exe likely at Program Files\Internet Explorer
and access the NTFS security settings of the file.
There you can set a Deny of all (Full Control) for the account
that the employee uses. In W2k all you need to do is log in as
an admin, right click on the file, select properties, click on the
security tab, add the account, and then use the checkboxes to
set the Deny.

--
Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>
>
> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
> Explorer.
>
> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>
> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
> again and again.
>
> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
> customer service has suffered.
>
> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
> better "win-win" solution.
>
> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
> want to do it.
> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
> I guess that makes sense.
>
> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
> good idea.
> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
> readily available for use.
>
> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
> creative).
>
> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>
> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>
> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
> Got any ideas for me?
> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
> questions).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ralph
>

Bob
Sat Dec 18 15:52:30 CST 2004

I was going to suggest a software restriction through local group policy.
However, based on what Ralph said ...

> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
> or delete any software from the PC's.

It sounds like a pretty locked down configuration and I doubt he has admin
rights.

--
Bob McCoy

* This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
* Please note I cannot respond to email questions. Please use these
newsgroups.
"Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:%23FarGaT5EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Well, IE cannot be removed, it is tied into the OS, so this
> perhaps explains the corporate response.
> Do you have an administrator account ?
> If so, locate iexplore.exe likely at Program Files\Internet Explorer
> and access the NTFS security settings of the file.
> There you can set a Deny of all (Full Control) for the account
> that the employee uses. In W2k all you need to do is log in as
> an admin, right click on the file, select properties, click on the
> security tab, add the account, and then use the checkboxes to
> set the Deny.
>
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>>
>>
>> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
>> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
>> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
>> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
>> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
>> Explorer.
>>
>> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
>> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
>> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>>
>> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
>> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
>> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
>> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
>> again and again.
>>
>> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
>> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
>> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
>> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
>> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
>> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
>> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
>> customer service has suffered.
>>
>> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
>> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
>> better "win-win" solution.
>>
>> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
>> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
>> want to do it.
>> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
>> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
>> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
>> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
>> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
>> I guess that makes sense.
>>
>> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
>> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
>> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
>> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
>> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
>> good idea.
>> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
>> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
>> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
>> readily available for use.
>>
>> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
>> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
>> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
>> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
>> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
>> creative).
>>
>> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
>> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
>> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
>> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
>> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>>
>> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>>
>> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
>> Got any ideas for me?
>> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
>> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
>> questions).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>
>

Tom
Sat Dec 18 16:18:08 CST 2004

" I did not have the heart to enforce it"

He has nothing to fear. He knows their will be no repercussions, and that
you have put him in charge of the company, instead of you ;-)

Tom
"Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
|
|
| I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
| have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
| In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
| for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
| our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
| Explorer.
|
| In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
| or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
| Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
|
| Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
| internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
| an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
| written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
| again and again.
|
| About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
| internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
| to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
| office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
| withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
| customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
| getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
| customer service has suffered.
|
| He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
| have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
| better "win-win" solution.
|
| Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
| have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
| want to do it.
| I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
| responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
| mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
| request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
| create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
| I guess that makes sense.
|
| I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
| admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
| passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
| Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
| said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
| good idea.
| Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
| office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
| needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
| readily available for use.
|
| Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
| I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
| oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
| work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
| fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
| creative).
|
| Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
| to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
| programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
| company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
| would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
|
| If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
|
| Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
| Got any ideas for me?
| If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
| let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
| questions).
|
| Thanks.
|
| Ralph
|

Steven
Sat Dec 18 17:16:26 CST 2004

Also he should look into doing this at the firewall/NAT router to disable
internet access for the IP address for that computer assuming other users on
the computer do not need internet access. Event the cheapest of NAT routers
usually have that ability to some extent these days. Of course it would be
best if his computer has a static IP address but I have seen DHCP clients
keep the same IP address for a long period of time. --- Steve



"Bob McCoy [MSFT]" <bobmccoy@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OQaOkvU5EHA.3644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I was going to suggest a software restriction through local group policy.
>However, based on what Ralph said ...
>
>> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
>> or delete any software from the PC's.
>
> It sounds like a pretty locked down configuration and I doubt he has admin
> rights.
>
> --
> Bob McCoy
>
> * This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> * Please note I cannot respond to email questions. Please use these
> newsgroups.
> "Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
> news:%23FarGaT5EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Well, IE cannot be removed, it is tied into the OS, so this
>> perhaps explains the corporate response.
>> Do you have an administrator account ?
>> If so, locate iexplore.exe likely at Program Files\Internet Explorer
>> and access the NTFS security settings of the file.
>> There you can set a Deny of all (Full Control) for the account
>> that the employee uses. In W2k all you need to do is log in as
>> an admin, right click on the file, select properties, click on the
>> security tab, add the account, and then use the checkboxes to
>> set the Deny.
>>
>> --
>> Roger Abell
>> Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
>> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
>> "Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>>>
>>>
>>> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
>>> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
>>> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
>>> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
>>> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
>>> Explorer.
>>>
>>> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
>>> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
>>> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>>>
>>> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
>>> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
>>> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
>>> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
>>> again and again.
>>>
>>> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
>>> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
>>> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
>>> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
>>> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
>>> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
>>> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
>>> customer service has suffered.
>>>
>>> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
>>> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
>>> better "win-win" solution.
>>>
>>> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
>>> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
>>> want to do it.
>>> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
>>> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
>>> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
>>> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
>>> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
>>> I guess that makes sense.
>>>
>>> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
>>> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
>>> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
>>> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
>>> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
>>> good idea.
>>> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
>>> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
>>> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
>>> readily available for use.
>>>
>>> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
>>> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
>>> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
>>> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
>>> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
>>> creative).
>>>
>>> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
>>> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
>>> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
>>> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
>>> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>>>
>>> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>>>
>>> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
>>> Got any ideas for me?
>>> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
>>> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
>>> questions).
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Greg
Sat Dec 18 17:25:09 CST 2004

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:18:08 -0600, "Tom Pepper Willett"
<tompepper@mvps.org> wrote:

>" I did not have the heart to enforce it"
>
>He has nothing to fear. He knows their will be no repercussions, and that
>you have put him in charge of the company, instead of you ;-)
>
>Tom



Little heartless are we Tom.

Just start his computer from safe mode and go into the administrator
account.

Delete this folder
c:\program Files\Internet Explorer

It may or may not work.

You can also install a firewall on his system and block internet
explorer and other browsers from getting on the internet. May sure
you use a firewall that has a password that you only know.




Greg R

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Tom
Sat Dec 18 18:18:45 CST 2004

Not heartless at all, Greg. Just being factual.
If the "inmates" are in charge of the "asylum", anything goes.
If you tell someone there will be consequences for their actions, and you
decide not to enforce it, that someone will continue to violate the rules.
And, if they violate *that* rule, what others will they violate?
Trust is very important, especially in a business.
It's like parental control.
Simply offering my opinion.

Tom
"Greg R" <webworm12@yes.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ae9s09m2guo8nvnt8tf32mmhl9gbh8e31@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:18:08 -0600, "Tom Pepper Willett"
| <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote:
|
| >" I did not have the heart to enforce it"
| >
| >He has nothing to fear. He knows their will be no repercussions, and
that
| >you have put him in charge of the company, instead of you ;-)
| >
| >Tom
|
|
|
| Little heartless are we Tom.
|
| Just start his computer from safe mode and go into the administrator
| account.
|
| Delete this folder
| c:\program Files\Internet Explorer
|
| It may or may not work.
|
| You can also install a firewall on his system and block internet
| explorer and other browsers from getting on the internet. May sure
| you use a firewall that has a password that you only know.
|
|
|
|
| Greg R
|
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| Signature
|
| http://www.aclu.org/refusetosurrender/

BMR777
Sat Dec 18 19:05:01 CST 2004

Ok - First, locate the file "iexplore.exe" on the C:/ Drive. It should be in
C:/Program Files/Internet Explorer. Then, make a copy of the file and save
to a CD/Floppy. Then boot his PC into "Safe Mode Command Prompt Only" mode
(To Do, keep pressing F8 Before Windows Starts). Then use the command prompt
to delete the file. Woila! No more IE!

BMR777

Karl
Sun Dec 19 00:53:17 CST 2004

1) Consider using IPsec filters to block access to TCP 80, 81, 443, 8080,
and any other port often used by him. Monitor to see whether he starts
using other ports.

http://securityadmin.info/faq.asp#ipsec

2) use router ACLs, proxy server and/or firewall to prevent Internet access
to those ports for his login ID [if a proxy server is being used] and/or
computer's IP address. Even inexpensive firewalls like www.netscreen.com
should come with the ability of per-user authentication for Internet access
for around $600 US.


"Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>
>
> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
> Explorer.
>
> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>
> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
> again and again.
>
> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
> customer service has suffered.
>
> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
> better "win-win" solution.
>
> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
> want to do it.
> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
> I guess that makes sense.
>
> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
> good idea.
> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
> readily available for use.
>
> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
> creative).
>
> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>
> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>
> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
> Got any ideas for me?
> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
> questions).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ralph
>

N
Sun Dec 19 17:00:32 CST 2004

In article <4ae9s09m2guo8nvnt8tf32mmhl9gbh8e31@4ax.com>, Greg R says...

> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:18:08 -0600, "Tom Pepper Willett"
> <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote:

> >" I did not have the heart to enforce it"

> >He has nothing to fear. He knows their will be no repercussions, and that
> >you have put him in charge of the company, instead of you ;-)

> Little heartless are we Tom.

The "heartless" one is the OP, who admits to a lack of heart. The employee
in question should have been terminated long ago. I've seen employees get
the axe for less...heck, I've been one.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

N
Sun Dec 19 17:04:43 CST 2004

In article <1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Ralph
says...

> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?

<snip>

> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
> again and again.

<snip>

> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet.

If you don't have the heart to fire him, stop nagging him. Nothing that you
do, short of termination, will be of any use.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Bob
Mon Dec 20 00:04:14 CST 2004

Ralph:

I predict that 1,000's of people would line up at your door for the
opportunity to work for a chap such as yourself. God bless you for being so
forgiving.

Everyone made great suggestions. One thing that you may want to watch out
for are items, such as Remote Desktop to other machines.

An additiction is a problem and like any addiction, the employee will find a
way to get their fix.

Bob
"Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>
>
> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
> Explorer.
>
> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>
> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
> again and again.
>
> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
> customer service has suffered.
>
> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
> better "win-win" solution.
>
> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
> want to do it.
> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
> I guess that makes sense.
>
> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
> good idea.
> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
> readily available for use.
>
> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
> creative).
>
> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>
> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>
> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
> Got any ideas for me?
> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
> questions).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ralph
>

Patrick
Tue Dec 21 17:26:14 CST 2004

"Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?

In case Bob McCoy misunderstood and you do have admin access to the
machine...

See "How to use the Set Program Access and Defaults feature in Windows
XP Service Pack 1":

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/328326#3

- Pat

PA
Tue Dec 21 20:14:07 CST 2004

<applause>

I hope OP doesn't have any kids.
--
~PAÞ

Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
> " I did not have the heart to enforce it"
>
> He has nothing to fear. He knows their will be no repercussions, and that
> you have put him in charge of the company, instead of you ;-)
>
> Tom
> "Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>>
>>
>> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
>> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
>> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
>> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
>> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
>> Explorer.
>>
>> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
>> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
>> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>>
>> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
>> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
>> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
>> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
>> again and again.
>>
>> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
>> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
>> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
>> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
>> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
>> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
>> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
>> customer service has suffered.
>>
>> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
>> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
>> better "win-win" solution.
>>
>> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
>> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
>> want to do it.
>> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
>> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
>> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
>> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
>> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
>> I guess that makes sense.
>>
>> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
>> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
>> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
>> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
>> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
>> good idea.
>> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
>> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
>> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
>> readily available for use.
>>
>> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
>> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
>> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
>> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
>> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
>> creative).
>>
>> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
>> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
>> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
>> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
>> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>>
>> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>>
>> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
>> Got any ideas for me?
>> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
>> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
>> questions).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ralph

Tom
Wed Dec 22 08:53:59 CST 2004

~Robear:

I truly wasn't trying to be heartless. I'm in charge of our network at
work, and I have to assume full responsibility for keeping it secure and
virus free. We have a written policy that is signed by all employees. It
is enforced. It has to be.

Surfing the internet can be quite potentially dangerous to a network, as you
know, and having restrictions is quite common.

Many companies block outgoing connections at the firewall, only allowing
certain sites to be available for business use.

Tom
"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%233GHtv85EHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| <applause>
|
| I hope OP doesn't have any kids.
| --
| ~PAÞ
|
| Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
| > " I did not have the heart to enforce it"
| >
| > He has nothing to fear. He knows their will be no repercussions, and
that
| > you have put him in charge of the company, instead of you ;-)
| >
| > Tom
| > "Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
| > news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| >> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
| >>
| >>
| >> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
| >> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
| >> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
| >> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
| >> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
| >> Explorer.
| >>
| >> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
| >> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
| >> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
| >>
| >> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
| >> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
| >> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
| >> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
| >> again and again.
| >>
| >> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
| >> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
| >> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
| >> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
| >> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
| >> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
| >> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
| >> customer service has suffered.
| >>
| >> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
| >> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
| >> better "win-win" solution.
| >>
| >> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
| >> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
| >> want to do it.
| >> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
| >> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
| >> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
| >> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
| >> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
| >> I guess that makes sense.
| >>
| >> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
| >> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
| >> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
| >> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
| >> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
| >> good idea.
| >> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
| >> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
| >> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
| >> readily available for use.
| >>
| >> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
| >> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
| >> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
| >> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
| >> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
| >> creative).
| >>
| >> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
| >> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
| >> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
| >> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
| >> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
| >>
| >> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
| >>
| >> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
| >> Got any ideas for me?
| >> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
| >> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
| >> questions).
| >>
| >> Thanks.
| >>
| >> Ralph
|

BeamGuy
Thu Dec 23 22:38:16 CST 2004

Restricting access of internet explorer should be easy using either
the controls built into win2000, or by adding a software personal
firewall like www.kerio.com and restricting the program from
accessing the internet. Blocking ports as one poster suggested
will also work, and as someone suggested make sure that the
user cannot use a remote desktop uitility like VNC or Netmeeting
to use another computer to browse the internet.

I have at times felt a little compulsive with some websites and have
blocked them in my personal firewall. Just the act of having to open the
panel and remove the block was enough to make me reconsider.

DO NOT under any circumstances delete any of the internet explorer
files - they are required for windows to function.

Most of these solutions require help from your IT department if you
are not an administrator on the computer, but most are well prescribed
enough that they can and should do it.

"Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
>
>
> I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor, and I
> have three employees. I sell services for a major national company.
> In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I work
> for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
> our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
> Explorer.
>
> In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot load
> or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
> Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
>
> Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off the
> internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required by
> an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
> written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
> again and again.
>
> About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
> internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He agreed
> to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in the
> office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
> withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100% excellent
> customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is not
> getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and his
> customer service has suffered.
>
> He has been with me three years, and is important to my business, so I
> have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
> better "win-win" solution.
>
> Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I please
> have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
> want to do it.
> I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
> responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
> mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
> request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
> create more work for them, and more headaches. From their perspective,
> I guess that makes sense.
>
> I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and he
> admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
> passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
> Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC. He
> said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
> good idea.
> Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in my
> office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere when
> needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
> readily available for use.
>
> Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of documentation.
> I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
> oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants me to
> work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I have
> fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not very
> creative).
>
> Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
> to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
> programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
> company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems that
> would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC literate.
>
> If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
>
> Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of ideas.
> Got any ideas for me?
> If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question, pls
> let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
> questions).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ralph
>

Ralph
Thu Jan 06 18:29:46 CST 2005

Hi to everyone:

I wrote the orignal post here. First of all, let me say thanks to all
of you for your excellent comments.
This forum has been very helpful. Among other things, it has reminded
me of what I already know (in my heart): time to find another employee,
and that is what I am doing.

Some of the posts have convinced me: I am not going to mess with the
PC, for fear that I will damage it and then have 2 problems: one is the
human problem (the employee), the other is a tech. problem (a
disfunctional/ broken PC). I am going to hire someone else.

Indeed I have been way too patient... but I konw that if I do fire the
employee, then all the work falls on me, and I can't handle it and it
will hurt me and my business.....I need to have a replacement trained
and in place.....

I want to say thanks again to those of you who had words of "tough
love" for me (ie, its time to fire him), and the kind words as well
above. The tough love was needed, and the compliment above was nice,
too ; )

Its really hard to find employees with an honorable work ethic. Its
really amazing.

Ralph

BeamGuy wrote:
> Restricting access of internet explorer should be easy using either
> the controls built into win2000, or by adding a software personal
> firewall like www.kerio.com and restricting the program from
> accessing the internet. Blocking ports as one poster suggested
> will also work, and as someone suggested make sure that the
> user cannot use a remote desktop uitility like VNC or Netmeeting
> to use another computer to browse the internet.
>
> I have at times felt a little compulsive with some websites and have
> blocked them in my personal firewall. Just the act of having to open
the
> panel and remove the block was enough to make me reconsider.
>
> DO NOT under any circumstances delete any of the internet explorer
> files - they are required for windows to function.
>
> Most of these solutions require help from your IT department if you
> are not an administrator on the computer, but most are well
prescribed
> enough that they can and should do it.
>
> "Ralph" <daytonohio10@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1103396055.183239.306830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Is it possible to "disable" Internet Explorer in this case?
> >
> >
> > I run a franchise-like business. I am an independent contractor,
and I
> > have three employees. I sell services for a major national
company.
> > In order to maintain quality control and security, the company I
work
> > for provides the PC's, the software, and the internet access to do
> > our work. We use Windows 2000 OS, Microsoft Office, and Internet
> > Explorer.
> >
> > In order to quality control and security of the PC's, we cannot
load
> > or delete any software from the PC's. In fact, there is no Add/
> > Remove Programs option in the control panel. It's been removed.
> >
> > Here's my problem: I have an employee who simply cannot stay off
the
> > internet during work. I have done all the routine actions required
by
> > an employer: I have talked to him, provided written company policy,
> > written office policy, given a written reprimand, and talked to him
> > again and again.
> >
> > About a year ago, I even wrote an agreement that if he surfed the
> > internet during work hours, I could deduct $20 per website. He
agreed
> > to it and he signed it. But he continues to surf when I am not in
the
> > office. I did not have the heart to enforce it. I don't want to
> > withhold his money. I want his full attention to give 100%
excellent
> > customer service! That's what my customers deserve! And he is
not
> > getting all his work done. I am noticing an increase in errors and
his
> > customer service has suffered.
> >
> > He has been with me three years, and is important to my business,
so I
> > have not fired him (but I am getting really close). I am seeking a
> > better "win-win" solution.
> >
> > Months ago I contacted our corporate office and asked, "can I
please
> > have IE removed from one PC?". They said no. They simply don't
> > want to do it.
> > I don't fully understand why. My guess is that since they are
> > responsible for thousands of PC's in the US (configured just like
> > mine), I think they don't want to be bothered with an individual
> > request to customize a PC. It might create a precedent that could
> > create more work for them, and more headaches. From their
perspective,
> > I guess that makes sense.
> >
> > I spoke to my employee last week about the continued problem, and
he
> > admitted that he is basically addicted to the internet. (His main
> > passion is cars - not porn or gambling. He just loves cars. And
> > Ebay.). I told that I had inquired about removing IE from his PC.
He
> > said he would be in favor of that and that he thought it would be a
> > good idea.
> > Most of his work does not require internet access. And every PC in
my
> > office has IE and broadband access, so it's available elsewhere
when
> > needed to do his work. And there are other PC's with IE that are
> > readily available for use.
> >
> > Again, yes I could easily fire him. I have volumes of
documentation.
> > I have even found one instance where what he was viewing was adult
> > oriented, is NOT family friendly or workplace safe. But he wants
me to
> > work with him and I am trying to find a creative solution (yes, I
have
> > fired people before. Firing people, IMO, is a last resort and not
very
> > creative).
> >
> > Here's where I am seeking help: can you suggest a way that I can go
> > to his PC and disable IE? Remember, I can't add or remove any
> > programs, and I don't own the PC. And, since I don't have the
> > company blessing, I don't want to create any technical problems
that
> > would impede any other operation of the PC. I am fairly PC
literate.
> >
> > If I can disable IE, I will explain it to him before I do it.
> >
> > Can you give me a suggestion to disable IE? I have run out of
ideas.
> > Got any ideas for me?
> > If you think there is a more appropriate forum for this question,
pls
> > let me know. (sorry to write so much....just trying to anticipate
> > questions).
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ralph
> >