looking for a suitable proxy

Hi. I've posted about proxy's before, but now I know better what and how I
want to protect myself.

Using security services that have a very high security, such as those that
send heavily encrypted data, can be counterproductive and attract attention,
because someone who would use one of those would probably have something to
hide. Wouldn't the NSA or the Israelities/israelies (?) be interested ?

I'm just looking for a secure proxy, without taking extreme measures with
regard to security. A proxy service through which a lot of traffic would go
would be good, I'm less likely to be noticed that way. In the first place I
want to protect myself against criminals, hackers, nosy people, organizations
and yes, I don't want Big Brother (the state) looking over my shoulder. A
proxy in control by a non-profit organization or some other organization that
would fight for my privacy, even if pressed by law or security officials or
advanced social engineering, would probably be good. Is more anonymity better
?

I wonder in which Homeland Security would be interested ...

Also important is speed. Often, proxies slow down speed, and I'm using a
broadband connection. Essentially my computer name AND IP are static, would
proxies hide them ?

I know you can't get 100% anonymity, but that's ok.

What about www.the-cloak.com ?

I live in Western Europe. Any recommendations ?

Thank you.

Alun
Wed Jul 05 20:33:43 CDT 2006

"unstablemicrosoft" <unstablemicrosoft@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:8B94CCFE-F69A-4A8E-8E17-39BAC4541F9B@microsoft.com...
> Using security services that have a very high security, such as those that
> send heavily encrypted data, can be counterproductive and attract
> attention,
> because someone who would use one of those would probably have something
> to
> hide. Wouldn't the NSA or the Israelities/israelies (?) be interested ?

Hardly - there's a lot of traffic going across the Internet in SSL right
now, and I doubt there's a lot that can be done about intercepting and
decoding that.

> I'm just looking for a secure proxy, without taking extreme measures with
> regard to security. A proxy service through which a lot of traffic would
> go
> would be good, I'm less likely to be noticed that way. In the first place
> I
> want to protect myself against criminals, hackers, nosy people,
> organizations
> and yes, I don't want Big Brother (the state) looking over my shoulder. A
> proxy in control by a non-profit organization or some other organization
> that
> would fight for my privacy, even if pressed by law or security officials
> or
> advanced social engineering, would probably be good. Is more anonymity
> better
> ?

Why don't you just ... not send stuff over the Internet? Then super-smart
crypto-hackers can't scan and intercept your traffic.

> I wonder in which Homeland Security would be interested ...

If they have a legitimate reason to be interested in you, then you really
shouldn't be given advice on how to encrypt. If they have an illegitimate
reason to be interested in you, they will waste their money and time trying
to figure out what useless trivia you think is important to your small (to
them) life - and that's good too, because they'll eventually figure out that
it's not a good thing.

> Also important is speed. Often, proxies slow down speed, and I'm using a
> broadband connection. Essentially my computer name AND IP are static,
> would
> proxies hide them ?
>
> I know you can't get 100% anonymity, but that's ok.
>
> What about www.the-cloak.com ?
>
> I live in Western Europe. Any recommendations ?

Yes. Paranoia is not a good state to be living in, no matter what part of
the world you inhibit.

Alun.
~~~~

Mark
Thu Jul 06 00:48:00 CDT 2006

>Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote: Yes. Paranoia is not a good state
>to be living in, no matter what part of the world you inhibit.

Unless you live in the US, then its usually well justified...

Anyhow, there are actually very strict laws in Europe regarding what can be
stored, or exchanged or monitored, of course as soon as your packets hit the
US its fair game for them, you'd think the NSA would have better things to
do though, I hear they are programming a 13 dimensional version of pong.

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S
Thu Jul 06 05:23:23 CDT 2006

I think the author of the original question wants a so-called "privacy
proxy" ("anonymizer"). There are many such services available on the
Internet. A real paranoid wouldn't use them, as any trust over the Internet
is questionnable - and you don't really know who operates those services.

BTW proxies are a big part of the cybercrime scene. Addresses sold with
stolen credit cards etc.

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"Mark Randall" <mark[__OKTHISISFAKE_]yr@REMOVETHISgoogle.ANDTHIScom> wrote
in message news:eE7D2%23LoGHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote: Yes. Paranoia is not a good
> >state to be living in, no matter what part of the world you inhibit.
>
> Unless you live in the US, then its usually well justified...
>
> Anyhow, there are actually very strict laws in Europe regarding what can
> be stored, or exchanged or monitored, of course as soon as your packets
> hit the US its fair game for them, you'd think the NSA would have better
> things to do though, I hear they are programming a 13 dimensional version
> of pong.
>
> --
> - Mark Randall
> http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
>
> "We're Systems and Networks..."
> "It's our job to know..."
>

unstablemicrosoft
Mon Jul 10 15:48:01 CDT 2006

Just a question about the-cloak.com, that promises anonymous internet surfing.

I've tried the free version, but the free version has many limitations.

How safe is it ?

Does anyone have any experience with it ?

Thank you.

Patrick
Mon Jul 10 16:36:30 CDT 2006

"unstablemicrosoft" <unstablemicrosoft@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:B30803BB-3077-4A57-B84A-3B6DC72ADBCE@microsoft.com...
> Just a question about the-cloak.com, that promises anonymous internet
> surfing.
>
> I've tried the free version, but the free version has many limitations.
>
> How safe is it ?
>
> Does anyone have any experience with it ?
>
> Thank you.

I've used the free version also. The truth is, I would only use it to test
my website (since I can't access it directly via the site name when I'm on
the same network as it). Otherwise, I have no use for it.

Unless you're viewing sites that your Government would throw you in jail for
(child porn for example), it's a waste of time. And if you are using it to
view sites that your Government would throw you in jail for, it's still a
waste of time. Why? Because if they are presented with a court order, they
will gladly give you up. If you read their terms and conditions, they ALL
(anonymizer sites) tell you this.



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S
Tue Jul 11 03:44:21 CDT 2006

G'day:

"Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@msn.removethis.com> wrote in message
news:EF1BDFE0-9190-44AA-8D34-98A66AE787B4@microsoft.com...
>

> Unless you're viewing sites that your Government would throw you in jail
> for (child porn for example), it's a waste of time. And if you are using
> it to view sites that your Government would throw you in jail for, it's
> still a waste of time. Why? Because if they are presented with a court
> order, they will gladly give you up. If you read their terms and
> conditions, they ALL (anonymizer sites) tell you this.

There are anonymisers that don't have terms and conditions and couldn't care
less about foreign court orders.

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-= F1 is the key =-

Notan
Tue Jul 11 06:58:06 CDT 2006

"S. Pidgorny " wrote:
>
> G'day:
>
> "Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@msn.removethis.com> wrote in message
> news:EF1BDFE0-9190-44AA-8D34-98A66AE787B4@microsoft.com...
> >
>
> > Unless you're viewing sites that your Government would throw you in jail
> > for (child porn for example), it's a waste of time. And if you are using
> > it to view sites that your Government would throw you in jail for, it's
> > still a waste of time. Why? Because if they are presented with a court
> > order, they will gladly give you up. If you read their terms and
> > conditions, they ALL (anonymizer sites) tell you this.
>
> There are anonymisers that don't have terms and conditions and couldn't care
> less about foreign court orders.

And those are?

Notan

S
Wed Jul 12 04:37:55 CDT 2006

G'day:

"Notan" <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote in message
news:44B3924E.376254A8@ddress.thatcanbespammed...
> "S. Pidgorny " wrote:
>>
>>
>> There are anonymisers that don't have terms and conditions and couldn't
>> care
>> less about foreign court orders.
>
> And those are?

Any service from Russia, for instance. Sometimes acccess is sold in packages
with stolen credit card numbers. Go figure.

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-= F1 is the key =-

Notan
Wed Jul 12 09:03:15 CDT 2006

"S. Pidgorny " wrote:
>
> G'day:
>
> "Notan" <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote in message
> news:44B3924E.376254A8@ddress.thatcanbespammed...
> > "S. Pidgorny " wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> There are anonymisers that don't have terms and conditions and couldn't
> >> care
> >> less about foreign court orders.
> >
> > And those are?
>
> Any service from Russia, for instance. Sometimes acccess is sold in packages
> with stolen credit card numbers. Go figure.

I've been looking at SecurStar's SecurSurf (http://securstar.com/products_ssurf.php).

Anyone have any experience with it?

Notan

unstablemicrosoft
Tue Jul 18 15:18:02 CDT 2006

If I may ask, where and how did you get that information ?

"Notan" schreef:

> "S. Pidgorny " wrote:
> >
> > G'day:
> >
> > "Notan" <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote in message
> > news:44B3924E.376254A8@ddress.thatcanbespammed...
> > > "S. Pidgorny " wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> There are anonymisers that don't have terms and conditions and couldn't
> > >> care
> > >> less about foreign court orders.
> > >
> > > And those are?
> >
> > Any service from Russia, for instance. Sometimes acccess is sold in packages
> > with stolen credit card numbers. Go figure.
>
> I've been looking at SecurStar's SecurSurf (http://securstar.com/products_ssurf.php).
>
> Anyone have any experience with it?
>
> Notan
>