I did a dumb thing

Dear NG,

I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I put a
computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing its
files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked up,
but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system with my
stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that machine and it
did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I have had a strange
incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on my hands.

I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another machine. I
immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own. She
said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away from
it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her, or it
could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN Messenger even
was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:

1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?

2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my old
PassPort and issue another one?

3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?

4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected. How
do I prove to MS that I am me?

5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind? Hopefully,
there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.

With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.

Cheers,

Bob
--
Robert Schuldenfrei
S. I. Inc.
32 Ridley Road
Dedham, MA 02026
bob@s-i-inc.com
781/329-4828

Roger
Sun Feb 06 13:48:08 CST 2005

I cannot answer as to what was available for W98.

You should go to www.passport.net immediately and
use the edit your profile stuff to change your password.
If it has already been changed, then use the reset capability

Then you can start to be concerned about what, if anything,
cached login with or without use of passport may have
allowed access, and of file content on the disk.

--
Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> Dear NG,
>
> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
> the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I put
a
> computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing its
> files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked up,
> but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system with
my
> stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that machine and
it
> did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I have had a
strange
> incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on my hands.
>
> I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another machine.
I
> immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
> confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
> PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own. She
> said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away
from
> it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her, or
it
> could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN Messenger even
> was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:
>
> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
>
> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my
old
> PassPort and issue another one?
>
> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
>
> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected.
How
> do I prove to MS that I am me?
>
> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind? Hopefully,
> there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
>
> With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828
>
>

Robert
Sun Feb 06 14:29:13 CST 2005

Hi Roger,

Thanks for the quick reply. OK, I have a new password and everything is
working fine. Any idea how to start the probe of effected software? These
would be things that checked the stored at Microsoft Passport and password.
I take it that if some software product queried if MSN Messenger was signed
in it would not know or care what the password was.

Cheers,

Bob


"Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:uC9uYRIDFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>I cannot answer as to what was available for W98.
>
> You should go to www.passport.net immediately and
> use the edit your profile stuff to change your password.
> If it has already been changed, then use the reset capability
>
> Then you can start to be concerned about what, if anything,
> cached login with or without use of passport may have
> allowed access, and of file content on the disk.
>
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>> Dear NG,
>>
>> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
>> the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I
>> put
> a
>> computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing its
>> files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked
>> up,
>> but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system with
> my
>> stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that machine and
> it
>> did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I have had a
> strange
>> incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on my hands.
>>
>> I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another machine.
> I
>> immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
>> confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
>> PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own. She
>> said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away
> from
>> it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her, or
> it
>> could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN Messenger
>> even
>> was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:
>>
>> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
>>
>> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my
> old
>> PassPort and issue another one?
>>
>> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
>>
>> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected.
> How
>> do I prove to MS that I am me?
>>
>> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind? Hopefully,
>> there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
>>
>> With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob
>> --
>> Robert Schuldenfrei
>> S. I. Inc.
>> 32 Ridley Road
>> Dedham, MA 02026
>> bob@s-i-inc.com
>> 781/329-4828
>>
>>
>
>

Galen
Sun Feb 06 14:44:46 CST 2005

In news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com,
Robert Schuldenfrei <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> had this to say:

Follow the other person's advice immediately, while there also change your
security question and answer. Below are your answers that I'm able to give
you.

> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?

Yes you could use MSN Messenger on 9x. I'm not sure about the newer versions
but older versions are available still at a few sites. I'd guess that the
new versions are. I'll check actually.Yes, you could have had MSN Messenger
on the 9x OSes.

> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill"
> my old PassPort and issue another one?

You shouldn't need to, for now go ahead and change your password AND your
security question. If that's a problem I think that you can edit the
passport preferences in the account settings with your MSDN subscription. I
don't have one this year so I'm unable to check that but I'm pretty sure
that you can. If not an IMMEDIATE email to support should get you fixed up.

> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?

Anything that you stored a password for would be a good place to start.
Outlook? Outlook Express? Saved passwords in forms field? FTP clients?
Instant Messengers? ISP accounts? Credit card information stored in the
wallet thing or any other applications that stored personal information?

> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be
> effected. How do I prove to MS that I am me?

See above, it was automatic if I recall. I'm pretty sure that it will be, go
ahead and log in and change your settings ASAP.

> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind?
> Hopefully, there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.

See the above. Think about everything that you have a password or user name
for. Log in and change them. Here's a bit of a problem... Let's hope that
your PC was picked up by someone who doesn't know a whole lot. Sometimes
there can be a few issues with cookies. Let's say that you had your password
and login information saved. You'd logged into an account recently. You now
see that there's a problem and you go and change your password and your
question field. There are SOME servers and scripts that will use the cookie
that was on your old computer to log you in still even though your password
has changed. An old error/security flaw in Hotmail used to allow that and
that's what immediately comes to mind. The first thing to do is not to get
too alarmed but to keep a good head on your shoulders. Immediately go change
every password that you can think of as quickly as possible and make sure
that you change any other security information on those sites that you're
able to. This should be fairly easy to do and shouldn't require making phone
calls or sending too many emails. Then, for the next six months or so, you
need to watch for more serious things like account changes being made that
you didn't make. You need to be a bit paranoid for a little while but, with
luck, you'll be all set. Look for them to make an error if they're able to
violate your security... Look for emails that have been set as read before
you have actually read them. Look for last log-in times to see if they've
logged in at a time that you didn't log in. This "should" be okay so long as
you do the above things and do them quickly before someone decided that they
are going to change your passwords before you can. Again, change the
passwords and any other security settings like the password recovery
challange question and response. Do this as quickly as possible.

You said you didn't have any real compromising data on the computer. Are you
sure? If you're not then you might want to notify your financial
institutions... A pain? Yes... Most banks will only hold you liable for the
first $50 USD (in America) if you report the loss in a 'timely manner' and
some have coverage for this type of event. If you're 110% positive that
there's no financial data (of ANY kind) on the computer than you MIGHT be
okay. While you say that they took the computer from the trash they may very
well have helped themselves to old credit card bills, telephone bills, and
the like. Coupled with the information that you have on your computer that
could result in some rather tragic lessons being learned. If they have your
accont number from a bank statement and you'd logged into the online bank
site so that the site was still in the history and you used the computer to
automatically remember your password or user name or it's a password that is
used for any other account that you have on your computer... Well, you get
the idea...

As you said, you should have known better but we all do silly things at
times and if you act NOW it may be that you're able to minimize the damage
done. I don't want to alarm you more than you already are but now's the time
for you to be proactive and to make these changes. With your permission I'd
like to edit out the information in this that has your name and post this on
a site in the near future.

This makes it worse:

> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828

Is that your real name? Real email? Real address? Real phone number? You're
only giving more data so that people can form a more complete picture of
your information and making their job of stealing from you easier. You might
want to reconsider. Dailing that number on my cell just showed me that it's
a real working number.

Galen
--

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes

Robert
Sun Feb 06 15:26:00 CST 2005

Hi Galen,

I want to take the time to read and absorb all of the good information in
your reply. Thank you very much. I owe you one. Feel free to use my post
in any way you wish. The silver lining in this event is that I found this
newsgroup. I have already changed my password and will change my security
question at once. After that I will implement all of your suggestions.

Cheers,

Bob


"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23R3yzyIDFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> In news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com,
> Robert Schuldenfrei <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> had this to say:
>
> Follow the other person's advice immediately, while there also change your
> security question and answer. Below are your answers that I'm able to give
> you.
>
>> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
>
> Yes you could use MSN Messenger on 9x. I'm not sure about the newer
> versions
> but older versions are available still at a few sites. I'd guess that the
> new versions are. I'll check actually.Yes, you could have had MSN
> Messenger
> on the 9x OSes.
>
>> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill"
>> my old PassPort and issue another one?
>
> You shouldn't need to, for now go ahead and change your password AND your
> security question. If that's a problem I think that you can edit the
> passport preferences in the account settings with your MSDN subscription.
> I
> don't have one this year so I'm unable to check that but I'm pretty sure
> that you can. If not an IMMEDIATE email to support should get you fixed
> up.
>
>> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
>
> Anything that you stored a password for would be a good place to start.
> Outlook? Outlook Express? Saved passwords in forms field? FTP clients?
> Instant Messengers? ISP accounts? Credit card information stored in the
> wallet thing or any other applications that stored personal information?
>
>> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be
>> effected. How do I prove to MS that I am me?
>
> See above, it was automatic if I recall. I'm pretty sure that it will be,
> go
> ahead and log in and change your settings ASAP.
>
>> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind?
>> Hopefully, there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
>
> See the above. Think about everything that you have a password or user
> name
> for. Log in and change them. Here's a bit of a problem... Let's hope that
> your PC was picked up by someone who doesn't know a whole lot. Sometimes
> there can be a few issues with cookies. Let's say that you had your
> password
> and login information saved. You'd logged into an account recently. You
> now
> see that there's a problem and you go and change your password and your
> question field. There are SOME servers and scripts that will use the
> cookie
> that was on your old computer to log you in still even though your
> password
> has changed. An old error/security flaw in Hotmail used to allow that and
> that's what immediately comes to mind. The first thing to do is not to get
> too alarmed but to keep a good head on your shoulders. Immediately go
> change
> every password that you can think of as quickly as possible and make sure
> that you change any other security information on those sites that you're
> able to. This should be fairly easy to do and shouldn't require making
> phone
> calls or sending too many emails. Then, for the next six months or so, you
> need to watch for more serious things like account changes being made that
> you didn't make. You need to be a bit paranoid for a little while but,
> with
> luck, you'll be all set. Look for them to make an error if they're able to
> violate your security... Look for emails that have been set as read before
> you have actually read them. Look for last log-in times to see if they've
> logged in at a time that you didn't log in. This "should" be okay so long
> as
> you do the above things and do them quickly before someone decided that
> they
> are going to change your passwords before you can. Again, change the
> passwords and any other security settings like the password recovery
> challange question and response. Do this as quickly as possible.
>
> You said you didn't have any real compromising data on the computer. Are
> you
> sure? If you're not then you might want to notify your financial
> institutions... A pain? Yes... Most banks will only hold you liable for
> the
> first $50 USD (in America) if you report the loss in a 'timely manner' and
> some have coverage for this type of event. If you're 110% positive that
> there's no financial data (of ANY kind) on the computer than you MIGHT be
> okay. While you say that they took the computer from the trash they may
> very
> well have helped themselves to old credit card bills, telephone bills, and
> the like. Coupled with the information that you have on your computer that
> could result in some rather tragic lessons being learned. If they have
> your
> accont number from a bank statement and you'd logged into the online bank
> site so that the site was still in the history and you used the computer
> to
> automatically remember your password or user name or it's a password that
> is
> used for any other account that you have on your computer... Well, you get
> the idea...
>
> As you said, you should have known better but we all do silly things at
> times and if you act NOW it may be that you're able to minimize the damage
> done. I don't want to alarm you more than you already are but now's the
> time
> for you to be proactive and to make these changes. With your permission
> I'd
> like to edit out the information in this that has your name and post this
> on
> a site in the near future.
>
> This makes it worse:
>
>> Robert Schuldenfrei
>> S. I. Inc.
>> 32 Ridley Road
>> Dedham, MA 02026
>> bob@s-i-inc.com
>> 781/329-4828
>
> Is that your real name? Real email? Real address? Real phone number?
> You're
> only giving more data so that people can form a more complete picture of
> your information and making their job of stealing from you easier. You
> might
> want to reconsider. Dailing that number on my cell just showed me that
> it's
> a real working number.
>
> Galen
> --
>
> "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
> the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
> in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
> stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
> mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes
>
>

FrankV
Sun Feb 06 16:36:19 CST 2005

I started with the IBM 1620

FrankV
"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> Dear NG,
>
> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
> the IBM 7094?)

Roger
Mon Feb 07 00:14:40 CST 2005

Ah the 1620. The first machine I was allowed to
power up and shut down . . .

--
Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I started with the IBM 1620
>
> FrankV
> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> > Dear NG,
> >
> > I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
remember
> > the IBM 7094?)
>
>

Roger
Mon Feb 07 00:19:20 CST 2005

"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:s8GdnS8U-dSE45vfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> Hi Roger,
>
> Thanks for the quick reply. OK, I have a new password and everything is
> working fine. Any idea how to start the probe of effected software?
These
> would be things that checked the stored at Microsoft Passport and
password.
> I take it that if some software product queried if MSN Messenger was
signed
> in it would not know or care what the password was.
>


It would not know the password.

As to where to start, AFAIK you have already - picking your brain
about what all sites may have cached passwords there.
Note: You may be going overboard. Hopefully your daughter will
confirm the second occurrance was of her doing. Remember, they
were likely after some parts, and to actually invade your internet
accounts they would need to be running as the account you used
(oops - I forgot - W9x, so I guess that would not be too hard).

--
Roger Abell

>
> "Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
> news:uC9uYRIDFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >I cannot answer as to what was available for W98.
> >
> > You should go to www.passport.net immediately and
> > use the edit your profile stuff to change your password.
> > If it has already been changed, then use the reset capability
> >
> > Then you can start to be concerned about what, if anything,
> > cached login with or without use of passport may have
> > allowed access, and of file content on the disk.
> >
> > --
> > Roger Abell
> > Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
> > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> >> Dear NG,
> >>
> >> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
remember
> >> the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I
> >> put
> > a
> >> computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing
its
> >> files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked
> >> up,
> >> but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system
with
> > my
> >> stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that machine
and
> > it
> >> did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I have had a
> > strange
> >> incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on my hands.
> >>
> >> I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another
machine.
> > I
> >> immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
> >> confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
> >> PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own.
She
> >> said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away
> > from
> >> it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her,
or
> > it
> >> could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN Messenger
> >> even
> >> was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:
> >>
> >> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
> >>
> >> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my
> > old
> >> PassPort and issue another one?
> >>
> >> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
> >>
> >> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected.
> > How
> >> do I prove to MS that I am me?
> >>
> >> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind?
Hopefully,
> >> there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
> >>
> >> With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> --
> >> Robert Schuldenfrei
> >> S. I. Inc.
> >> 32 Ridley Road
> >> Dedham, MA 02026
> >> bob@s-i-inc.com
> >> 781/329-4828
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Robert
Mon Feb 07 07:37:49 CST 2005

Hi Frank,

That brings back memories. After Dartmouth Time Sharing became operational
and everybody was using it, I had the Tuck School's 1620 almost to myself.
Talk about a "personal computer!" This was the Fall of 1967. Do you
remember AFIT FORTRAN? I once knew the initialization routine by heart.
This was the sequence you had to enter by hand with the console switches.
We did not have disk, so if you used the initialization area for your
program, you had to cycle memory with zero before pushing the LOAD button.
I also once knew the DEC PDP-8's RIM loader, but that is another story.

Cheers,

Bob
--
Robert Schuldenfrei
S. I. Inc.
32 Ridley Road
Dedham, MA 02026
bob@s-i-inc.com
781/329-4828


"FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I started with the IBM 1620
>
> FrankV
> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>> Dear NG,
>>
>> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
>> the IBM 7094?)
>
>

FrankV
Mon Feb 07 07:56:06 CST 2005

Same with me. I was on the second shift and shut it down at midnight, except
weekends. The company had developed a program for modeling railroad engines
(toot-toot) that I would submitted at midnight Friday and then stopped it
Monday morning. This would go on for many weekends before any results.

If the engineers then could see an SGI computer sitting on there desk they
would have gone crazy.

The funniest part was the computer room was an open area on the second floor
of the plant where the trains were manufactured. Never heard of air
conditioning back then. Huge stamping machines right below it didn't
bother it at all. It got up to 100 degrees many times in the summer and the
computer wasn't shut down unless it went over that.

We even had to load the Fortran compiler with punched cards in front of any
program because there was no storage.

Frank

"Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:%23vkDevNDFHA.392@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Ah the 1620. The first machine I was allowed to
> power up and shut down . . .
>
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
> news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I started with the IBM 1620
>>
>> FrankV
>> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>> > Dear NG,
>> >
>> > I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
> remember
>> > the IBM 7094?)
>>
>>
>
>

FrankV
Mon Feb 07 08:00:43 CST 2005

Hi Robert,

Check the message I just sent with Roger Abell's name on the subject. We
had they standard IBM Fortran II compiler.

Frank

"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rsadnRDVf4iw8prfRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Hi Frank,
>
> That brings back memories. After Dartmouth Time Sharing became
> operational and everybody was using it, I had the Tuck School's 1620
> almost to myself. Talk about a "personal computer!" This was the Fall of
> 1967. Do you remember AFIT FORTRAN? I once knew the initialization
> routine by heart. This was the sequence you had to enter by hand with the
> console switches. We did not have disk, so if you used the initialization
> area for your program, you had to cycle memory with zero before pushing
> the LOAD button. I also once knew the DEC PDP-8's RIM loader, but that is
> another story.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828
>
>
> "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
> news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>I started with the IBM 1620
>>
>> FrankV
>> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>>> Dear NG,
>>>
>>> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
>>> remember the IBM 7094?)
>>
>>
>
>

Roger
Tue Feb 08 21:43:23 CST 2005

Fortran II - heck the 360 models were out by then !!
I recall using Fortran on the 1620 (card deck of compiler and
all until we got a "disk") . . . but it was just Fortan (aka short
for formula translation language) no versions yet.

--
Roger
"FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
news:%23pcbr1RDFHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Robert,
>
> Check the message I just sent with Roger Abell's name on the subject. We
> had they standard IBM Fortran II compiler.
>
> Frank
>
> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:rsadnRDVf4iw8prfRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > That brings back memories. After Dartmouth Time Sharing became
> > operational and everybody was using it, I had the Tuck School's 1620
> > almost to myself. Talk about a "personal computer!" This was the Fall
of
> > 1967. Do you remember AFIT FORTRAN? I once knew the initialization
> > routine by heart. This was the sequence you had to enter by hand with
the
> > console switches. We did not have disk, so if you used the
initialization
> > area for your program, you had to cycle memory with zero before pushing
> > the LOAD button. I also once knew the DEC PDP-8's RIM loader, but that
is
> > another story.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bob
> > --
> > Robert Schuldenfrei
> > S. I. Inc.
> > 32 Ridley Road
> > Dedham, MA 02026
> > bob@s-i-inc.com
> > 781/329-4828
> >
> >
> > "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
> > news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >>I started with the IBM 1620
> >>
> >> FrankV
> >> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> >>> Dear NG,
> >>>
> >>> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
> >>> remember the IBM 7094?)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Roger
Tue Feb 08 21:46:45 CST 2005

We used to just open up the windows - first floor of what had once
been the dinning hall.

So, did you ever write programs that made your clunky large old
state of the art transistor radio play tunes due to the RF emitted
from the console (up on top of where the sense switches were at
the base, counter level) ?

--
Roger
"FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
news:O1VtGzRDFHA.3084@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Same with me. I was on the second shift and shut it down at midnight,
except
> weekends. The company had developed a program for modeling railroad
engines
> (toot-toot) that I would submitted at midnight Friday and then stopped it
> Monday morning. This would go on for many weekends before any results.
>
> If the engineers then could see an SGI computer sitting on there desk they
> would have gone crazy.
>
> The funniest part was the computer room was an open area on the second
floor
> of the plant where the trains were manufactured. Never heard of air
> conditioning back then. Huge stamping machines right below it didn't
> bother it at all. It got up to 100 degrees many times in the summer and
the
> computer wasn't shut down unless it went over that.
>
> We even had to load the Fortran compiler with punched cards in front of
any
> program because there was no storage.
>
> Frank
>
> "Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
> news:%23vkDevNDFHA.392@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Ah the 1620. The first machine I was allowed to
> > power up and shut down . . .
> >
> > --
> > Roger Abell
> > Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
> > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
> > news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> I started with the IBM 1620
> >>
> >> FrankV
> >> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> >> > Dear NG,
> >> >
> >> > I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
> > remember
> >> > the IBM 7094?)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Robert
Wed Feb 09 07:24:46 CST 2005

Hi Roger and NG,

I never did, but there was a rendition of "Dartmouth's In Town Again" in our
library. That, by the way, was 4 file cabinents that could hold punch
cards. Of course, I had some 30 boxes of cards (2000 cards per box) in my
room.

Cheers,

Bob
--
Robert Schuldenfrei
S. I. Inc.
32 Ridley Road
Dedham, MA 02026
bob@s-i-inc.com
781/329-4828


"Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:us52FmlDFHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> We used to just open up the windows - first floor of what had once
> been the dinning hall.
>
> So, did you ever write programs that made your clunky large old
> state of the art transistor radio play tunes due to the RF emitted
> from the console (up on top of where the sense switches were at
> the base, counter level) ?
>
> --

Robert
Wed Feb 09 07:30:46 CST 2005

Hi Roger and NG,

AFIT FORTRAN (AFIT = Air Force Institute of Technology) was a flavor of
FORTRAN II. The 2 in FORTRAN II if I remember correctly was the ability to
directly call subroutines. Of course you could always call subroutines in
just plain old FORTRAN if you knew the address of the subroutine and the
location of the GO TO statement of the calling program. Only whimps needed
the CALL statement :)

Cheers,

Bob
--
Robert Schuldenfrei
S. I. Inc.
32 Ridley Road
Dedham, MA 02026
bob@s-i-inc.com
781/329-4828


"Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:%23VhYNklDFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Fortran II - heck the 360 models were out by then !!
> I recall using Fortran on the 1620 (card deck of compiler and
> all until we got a "disk") . . . but it was just Fortan (aka short
> for formula translation language) no versions yet.
>
> --
> Roger
> "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
> news:%23pcbr1RDFHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Check the message I just sent with Roger Abell's name on the subject. We
>> had they standard IBM Fortran II compiler.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:rsadnRDVf4iw8prfRVn-2A@comcast.com...
>> > Hi Frank,
>> >
>> > That brings back memories. After Dartmouth Time Sharing became
>> > operational and everybody was using it, I had the Tuck School's 1620
>> > almost to myself. Talk about a "personal computer!" This was the Fall
> of
>> > 1967. Do you remember AFIT FORTRAN?

FrankV
Wed Feb 09 07:31:38 CST 2005

Ahhhh how memory gets worse with age. Sorry about that. I was just like
you. Basic fortran on punch cards. The 1620 was eventually replaced with a
fantastic 360 and Fortran II and an air conditioned room.

Frank


"Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:%23VhYNklDFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Fortran II - heck the 360 models were out by then !!
> I recall using Fortran on the 1620 (card deck of compiler and
> all until we got a "disk") . . . but it was just Fortan (aka short
> for formula translation language) no versions yet.
>
> --
> Roger
> "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
> news:%23pcbr1RDFHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Check the message I just sent with Roger Abell's name on the subject. We
>> had they standard IBM Fortran II compiler.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:rsadnRDVf4iw8prfRVn-2A@comcast.com...
>> > Hi Frank,
>> >
>> > That brings back memories. After Dartmouth Time Sharing became
>> > operational and everybody was using it, I had the Tuck School's 1620
>> > almost to myself. Talk about a "personal computer!" This was the Fall
> of
>> > 1967. Do you remember AFIT FORTRAN? I once knew the initialization
>> > routine by heart. This was the sequence you had to enter by hand with
> the
>> > console switches. We did not have disk, so if you used the
> initialization
>> > area for your program, you had to cycle memory with zero before pushing
>> > the LOAD button. I also once knew the DEC PDP-8's RIM loader, but that
> is
>> > another story.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Bob
>> > --
>> > Robert Schuldenfrei
>> > S. I. Inc.
>> > 32 Ridley Road
>> > Dedham, MA 02026
>> > bob@s-i-inc.com
>> > 781/329-4828
>> >
>> >
>> > "FrankV" <FrankV@anonymous.address> wrote in message
>> > news:eeICIxJDFHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >>I started with the IBM 1620
>> >>
>> >> FrankV
>> >> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>> >>> Dear NG,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone
>> >>> remember the IBM 7094?)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Phillip
Wed Feb 09 09:16:14 CST 2005

Ever get a bad sector on the card and have to run Norton ScanCard? :-)


--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TfadndG_cJyDkpffRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> Hi Roger and NG,
>
> I never did, but there was a rendition of "Dartmouth's In Town Again" in
our
> library. That, by the way, was 4 file cabinents that could hold punch
> cards. Of course, I had some 30 boxes of cards (2000 cards per box) in my
> room.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828
>
>
> "Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
> news:us52FmlDFHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > We used to just open up the windows - first floor of what had once
> > been the dinning hall.
> >
> > So, did you ever write programs that made your clunky large old
> > state of the art transistor radio play tunes due to the RF emitted
> > from the console (up on top of where the sense switches were at
> > the base, counter level) ?
> >
> > --
>
>

Alun
Wed Feb 09 09:45:33 CST 2005

No, but every so often, we'd get a parcel in the mail - it claimed to come
from Aunt Flo, though I don't have an Aunt Flo, and contained a deck of
punched cards that it said would print out a picture of Cheryl Tiegs. We
always threw them away, until that one day that the intern loaded them into
the machine, which started mailing out decks of punched cards... :-)

Alun.
~~~~
--
Software Design Engineer, Internet Information Server (FTP)
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
news:O766MprDFHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Ever get a bad sector on the card and have to run Norton ScanCard? :-)
>
>
> --
>
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
>
> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:TfadndG_cJyDkpffRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>> Hi Roger and NG,
>>
>> I never did, but there was a rendition of "Dartmouth's In Town Again" in
> our
>> library. That, by the way, was 4 file cabinents that could hold punch
>> cards. Of course, I had some 30 boxes of cards (2000 cards per box) in
>> my
>> room.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob
>> --
>> Robert Schuldenfrei
>> S. I. Inc.
>> 32 Ridley Road
>> Dedham, MA 02026
>> bob@s-i-inc.com
>> 781/329-4828
>>
>>
>> "Roger Abell" <mvpNOSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:us52FmlDFHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > We used to just open up the windows - first floor of what had once
>> > been the dinning hall.
>> >
>> > So, did you ever write programs that made your clunky large old
>> > state of the art transistor radio play tunes due to the RF emitted
>> > from the console (up on top of where the sense switches were at
>> > the base, counter level) ?
>> >
>> > --
>>
>>
>
>

Mark
Wed Feb 09 13:15:20 CST 2005

In addition to this, contact Microsoft and your ISP on the computer, ask
them to trace back the connection that connected via your passport - most
ISP's will keep records of these form of connections.

- MR

"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> Dear NG,
>
> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
> the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I put
> a computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing
> its files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked
> up, but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system
> with my stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that
> machine and it did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I
> have had a strange incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on
> my hands.
>
> I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another machine.
> I immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
> confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
> PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own. She
> said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away
> from it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her,
> or it could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN
> Messenger even was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:
>
> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
>
> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my
> old PassPort and issue another one?
>
> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
>
> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected.
> How do I prove to MS that I am me?
>
> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind? Hopefully,
> there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
>
> With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828
>

Robert
Thu Feb 10 09:13:25 CST 2005

To all members of the NG who helped out on this issue... Thank you!

I think all of the panic that followed this issue was due to my daughter's
laptop and not to an evil doer. I am glad I took the precautions suggested
by one and all. It was a WAKE UP call and a reminder that even people with
swelled heads can prove the old saying:

"To err is human, to really screw things up you need a computer."

It is interesting to note how this thread has evolved into a discussion of
the IBM 1620 of fond memory. For those who are really hooked on computer
history check out alt.folklore.computers.

Cheers,

Bob
--
Robert Schuldenfrei
S. I. Inc.
32 Ridley Road
Dedham, MA 02026
bob@s-i-inc.com
781/329-4828


"Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> Dear NG,
>
> I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
> the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I put
> a computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing
> its files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked
> up, but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system
> with my stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that
> machine and it did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I
> have had a strange incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on
> my hands.
>
> I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another machine.
> I immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
> confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
> PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own. She
> said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away
> from it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her,
> or it could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN
> Messenger even was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:
>
> 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
>
> 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my
> old PassPort and issue another one?
>
> 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
>
> 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected.
> How do I prove to MS that I am me?
>
> 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind? Hopefully,
> there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
>
> With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828
>

Jennifer
Thu Feb 10 10:31:07 CST 2005

Robert,

I'm not so sure your problem had to do with your daughter's machine ... the
same thing happened to me on February 8 ... I'm stilling being kicked off by
"someone" and also on the 8th, AFTER I installed MSN 6.2, my e-mail box sent
be one of those "mail undeliverable" notices. I looked at it, and it was
sent FROM someone who wasn't me... TO someone I'd never heard of.
Immediately, I changed my password, but I'm still getting bumped off and
being told that someone else has logged on from a different location. I've
sent 2 reports of this to MSN and have yet to get a reply.

Another thing, is that I was using Windows Messenger. I signed up for MSN
the other night so that I could test it, not realizing both would be
associated with my email address (I thought I could have them separate) ..
and I really don't want to have to create a new username ... I will look like
an idiot to a prospective employer. And, if someone is doing what I think
they are, and they can send e-mails from my account, what is to stop them
from intercepting emails to my account? Many questions. I'm freaking
out!!!!! Could they be seeing everything in my computer? And why won't
microsoft respond to my potential security issue?!?!?

Someone PLEASE HELP

"Robert Schuldenfrei" wrote:

> To all members of the NG who helped out on this issue... Thank you!
>
> I think all of the panic that followed this issue was due to my daughter's
> laptop and not to an evil doer. I am glad I took the precautions suggested
> by one and all. It was a WAKE UP call and a reminder that even people with
> swelled heads can prove the old saying:
>
> "To err is human, to really screw things up you need a computer."
>
> It is interesting to note how this thread has evolved into a discussion of
> the IBM 1620 of fond memory. For those who are really hooked on computer
> history check out alt.folklore.computers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Schuldenfrei
> S. I. Inc.
> 32 Ridley Road
> Dedham, MA 02026
> bob@s-i-inc.com
> 781/329-4828
>
>
> "Robert Schuldenfrei" <schuldenfrei@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Fs6dnYsKw9Wn_5vfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> > Dear NG,
> >
> > I have been involved with computers for far too long (can anyone remember
> > the IBM 7094?) to have done something as stupid as this, but I did. I put
> > a computer in the trash without removing the hard drive or even erasing
> > its files. A few hours later I noticed that the trash had not been picked
> > up, but the computer was gone! OK, someone has an old Windows/98 system
> > with my stuff on it. I took a look at my most recent backup of that
> > machine and it did not appear to have anything critical on it, but... I
> > have had a strange incident today and I wonder if I have a real problem on
> > my hands.
> >
> > I got a message from MSN Messenger 6.2 that I signed on another machine.
> > I immediately call my daughter who I just gave an old laptop to and she
> > confirmed that she had signed in and she had Messenger running with my
> > PassPort. I told her to remove my PassPort and get one of her own. She
> > said she would, but just now I returned to my machine after being away
> > from it for about two hours and I saw the message again. It could be her,
> > or it could be the "new owner." Now I don't even remember if MSN
> > Messenger even was on the W/98 machine so here are my questions:
> >
> > 1/ Was MSN Messenger available for W/98?
> >
> > 2/ Assume that it was, how do I go about getting Microsoft to "kill" my
> > old PassPort and issue another one?
> >
> > 3/ What "normal" pieces of Microsoft software will be effected?
> >
> > 4/ I have an MSDN subscription, and I am sure that it will be effected.
> > How do I prove to MS that I am me?
> >
> > 5/ What are the ramifications that have not crossed my mind? Hopefully,
> > there are mind-readers in this newsgroup.
> >
> > With a lot of egg on my face, I thank you all in advance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bob
> > --
> > Robert Schuldenfrei
> > S. I. Inc.
> > 32 Ridley Road
> > Dedham, MA 02026
> > bob@s-i-inc.com
> > 781/329-4828
> >
>
>
>

Alexander
Thu Feb 10 10:41:59 CST 2005

Jennifer,

don't worry. I receive such messages quite often and it does not mean that
your email account was stolen. It simply means that spammer put your email
address to field of origin and put another address to "From" field and
target mail box does not exist anymore. Mail server returns delivery report
to you, not spammer. But why you was kicked even after password change?
hmm... no idea. I don't use MSN messenger and I have never experienced such
issues with ICQ, AOL, Yahoo IM. They displayed such messages only when I
really logged in from another place.

Best regards,
Alex.

> I'm stilling being kicked off by
> "someone" and also on the 8th, AFTER I installed MSN 6.2, my e-mail box
> sent
> be one of those "mail undeliverable" notices.

Jennifer
Thu Feb 10 11:39:05 CST 2005

Alex,

Thanks for responding. I feel a little better about that issue at least.
It's just very coincidental that I'm having these problems only after I
downloaded MSN 6.2. Do you have any idea how I can disassociate the MSN
account from my passport, but leave the Windows Messenger attached? Also, how
do I get MSN to respond to my issues? I can't believe they haven't
responded.


"Alexander Muratov" wrote:

> Jennifer,
>
> don't worry. I receive such messages quite often and it does not mean that
> your email account was stolen. It simply means that spammer put your email
> address to field of origin and put another address to "From" field and
> target mail box does not exist anymore. Mail server returns delivery report
> to you, not spammer. But why you was kicked even after password change?
> hmm... no idea. I don't use MSN messenger and I have never experienced such
> issues with ICQ, AOL, Yahoo IM. They displayed such messages only when I
> really logged in from another place.
>
> Best regards,
> Alex.
>
> > I'm stilling being kicked off by
> > "someone" and also on the 8th, AFTER I installed MSN 6.2, my e-mail box
> > sent
> > be one of those "mail undeliverable" notices.
>
>
>

Robert
Thu Feb 10 11:48:06 CST 2005

Hi Jen,

I know for sure that my problem was my daughter as she confirmed that she
was indeed on the laptop when my "issue" was raised. After taking the
advice of the NG members about changing my password and security question I
have not had any login activities into my Passport. I agree with the other
writer, people can make e.mail messages appear to come from you. Since I
sign my messages, my e.mail address is "out there." I would continue to
look into your problem and keep after Microsoft.

Good Luck,

Bob
--
Robert Schuldenfrei
S. I. Inc.
32 Ridley Road
Dedham, MA 02026
bob@s-i-inc.com
781/329-4828


"Jennifer Transcriber" <Jennifer Transcriber@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in message news:2B2B54FC-3B04-4AF6-AE48-35A958A18C59@microsoft.com...
> Robert,
>
> I'm not so sure your problem had to do with your daughter's machine ...
> the
> same thing happened to me on February 8 ... I'm stilling being kicked off
> by
> "someone" and also on the 8th, AFTER I installed MSN 6.2, my e-mail box
> sent
> be one of those "mail undeliverable" notices. I looked at it, and it was
> sent FROM someone who wasn't me... TO someone I'd never heard of.
> Immediately, I changed my password, but I'm still getting bumped off and
> being told that someone else has logged on from a different location.
> I've
> sent 2 reports of this to MSN and have yet to get a reply.
>
> Another thing, is that I was using Windows Messenger. I signed up for MSN
> the other night so that I could test it, not realizing both would be
> associated with my email address (I thought I could have them separate) ..
> and I really don't want to have to create a new username ... I will look
> like
> an idiot to a prospective employer. And, if someone is doing what I think
> they are, and they can send e-mails from my account, what is to stop them
> from intercepting emails to my account? Many questions. I'm freaking
> out!!!!! Could they be seeing everything in my computer? And why won't
> microsoft respond to my potential security issue?!?!?
>
> Someone PLEASE HELP
>

Alexander
Thu Feb 10 11:59:56 CST 2005

I'm sorry, but I am not familiar with MSN service and I am not going to use
it in the near future. So I can not give you advises regarding MSN.

Best regards,
Alex.