I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The server
is windows 2000.

Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and they try
to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error appears. The
user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer, and they receive a
message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the domain
admin can not even log onto.

The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot their
computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Rob

RE: appears to loose authentication by Rob

Rob
Mon Mar 27 10:21:03 CST 2006



"Rob" wrote:

> I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The server
> is windows 2000.
>
> Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and they try
> to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error appears. The
> user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer, and they receive a
> message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
> to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the domain
> admin can not even log onto.
>
> The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot their
> computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Rob
>

Update:
When accessing through My Computer the computer recieves the following error:
"An error occured while reconnecting G: to \\server\share

Microsoft Windows Network: The local device name is already in use.
The connection has not been restored.)

RE: appears to loose authentication by Malke

Malke
Mon Mar 27 11:46:38 CST 2006

Rob wrote:

> "Rob" wrote:
>
>> I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The
>> server is windows 2000.
>>
>> Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
>> they try
>> to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error appears.
>> The user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer, and they
>> receive a
>> message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>> domain admin can not even log onto.
>>
>> The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot their
>> computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.

>
> Update:
> When accessing through My Computer the computer recieves the following
> error: "An error occured while reconnecting G: to \\server\share
>
> Microsoft Windows Network: The local device name is already in use.
> The connection has not been restored.)

From what these posts say - and please correct me if my interpretation
is wrong - the issue is not with the server losing authentication but
rather the problem is on the workstation. Since you got a clear error
message about the computer name, make sure all computers on the network
have unique names. Additionally, make sure computer names are not the
same as a user name. IOW, if you have a user account "Rob", don't name
your computer "Rob". You haven't told us how many workstations you've
got, but you'll need to check all the names.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

RE: appears to loose authentication by Rob

Rob
Mon Mar 27 12:07:02 CST 2006



"Malke" wrote:

> Rob wrote:
>
> > "Rob" wrote:
> >
> >> I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The
> >> server is windows 2000.
> >>
> >> Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
> >> they try
> >> to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error appears.
> >> The user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer, and they
> >> receive a
> >> message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
> >> to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
> >> domain admin can not even log onto.
> >>
> >> The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot their
> >> computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> >
> > Update:
> > When accessing through My Computer the computer recieves the following
> > error: "An error occured while reconnecting G: to \\server\share
> >
> > Microsoft Windows Network: The local device name is already in use.
> > The connection has not been restored.)
>
> From what these posts say - and please correct me if my interpretation
> is wrong - the issue is not with the server losing authentication but
> rather the problem is on the workstation. Since you got a clear error
> message about the computer name, make sure all computers on the network
> have unique names. Additionally, make sure computer names are not the
> same as a user name. IOW, if you have a user account "Rob", don't name
> your computer "Rob". You haven't told us how many workstations you've
> got, but you'll need to check all the names.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
We are running aprox 40 workstations, and each is uniquely named. Our
naming computer naming structure is: username-desktop or username-laptop.
This is separate from the username its self, but the username is in the
computer name.
I checked the computer names by using DHCP management console, and Active
Directory.

This also happens to nearly all users who need to access this network drive.
The application they are accessing is Goldmine.



Re: appears to loose authentication by AllenM

AllenM
Mon Mar 27 12:47:52 CST 2006

Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first time?
How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network drive and reconnect
at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and have you reviewed
Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?


"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The server
> is windows 2000.
>
> Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and they try
> to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error appears. The
> user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer, and they receive a
> message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
> to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the domain
> admin can not even log onto.
>
> The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot their
> computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Rob
>



Re: appears to loose authentication by Rob

Rob
Mon Mar 27 13:05:03 CST 2006



"AllenM" wrote:

> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first time?
> How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network drive and reconnect
> at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and have you reviewed
> Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>
>
> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The server
> > is windows 2000.
> >
> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and they try
> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error appears. The
> > user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer, and they receive a
> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the domain
> > admin can not even log onto.
> >
> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot their
> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
>
>

here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the network
share:
net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine

I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and I have
not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs to
access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem was still
persistant.

This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started working
here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.

Re: appears to loose authentication by Malke

Malke
Mon Mar 27 15:03:03 CST 2006

Rob wrote:

>
>
> "AllenM" wrote:
>
>> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
>> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network drive
>> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
>> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>>
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The
>> >server
>> > is windows 2000.
>> >
>> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
>> > they try
>> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer,
>> > and they receive a
>> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>> >
>> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>> > their
>> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
> here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
> network share:
> net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>
> I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and I
> have
> not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
> to
> access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem was
> still persistant.
>
> This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
> working
> here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.

If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact Goldmine
tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
workaround.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Re: appears to loose authentication by Rob

Rob
Mon Mar 27 15:15:01 CST 2006



"Malke" wrote:

> Rob wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "AllenM" wrote:
> >
> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network drive
> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The
> >> >server
> >> > is windows 2000.
> >> >
> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
> >> > they try
> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer,
> >> > and they receive a
> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
> >> >
> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
> >> > their
> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Rob
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
> > network share:
> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
> >
> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and I
> > have
> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
> > to
> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem was
> > still persistant.
> >
> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
> > working
> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>
> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact Goldmine
> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
> workaround.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this server.
It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.

Rob

Re: appears to loose authentication by AllenM

AllenM
Mon Mar 27 15:40:14 CST 2006

What happens when you try to from the run command line use \\servername\c$
logged in as an Administrator?


"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
>> Rob wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "AllenM" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
>> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network drive
>> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
>> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The
>> >> >server
>> >> > is windows 2000.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
>> >> > they try
>> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer,
>> >> > and they receive a
>> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>> >> >
>> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>> >> > their
>> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rob
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
>> > network share:
>> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>> >
>> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and I
>> > have
>> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
>> > to
>> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem was
>> > still persistant.
>> >
>> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
>> > working
>> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>>
>> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact Goldmine
>> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
>> workaround.
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>
> I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
> problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
> server.
> It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
>
> Rob



Re: appears to loose authentication by Rob

Rob
Mon Mar 27 15:46:02 CST 2006

That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb not
access the server, userB can.

That is where I am going nuts at.

Thank you;

Rob

"AllenM" wrote:

> What happens when you try to from the run command line use \\servername\c$
> logged in as an Administrator?
>
>
> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Malke" wrote:
> >
> >> Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network drive
> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication. The
> >> >> >server
> >> >> > is windows 2000.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
> >> >> > they try
> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My computer,
> >> >> > and they receive a
> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
> >> >> > their
> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rob
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
> >> > network share:
> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
> >> >
> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and I
> >> > have
> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
> >> > to
> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem was
> >> > still persistant.
> >> >
> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
> >> > working
> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
> >>
> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact Goldmine
> >> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
> >> workaround.
> >>
> >> Malke
> >> --
> >> Elephant Boy Computers
> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> >> "Don't Panic!"
> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >>
> >
> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
> > server.
> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
> >
> > Rob
>
>
>

Re: appears to loose authentication by AllenM

AllenM
Mon Mar 27 16:06:50 CST 2006

OK then it appears to be an issue with the share name and it's security and
NTFS permisions. You are absolutely 100% sure that the sharename is correct?
When you share a folder the only group that needs to be added to the "share"
permissions is "Everyone" with FULL control. You apply permissions with NTFS
Folder/File permissions. Post your "Share" permissions and the NTFS
Folder/File permissions for that shared folder.


"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:903FC3E3-3936-42F0-A5FC-55C19E648542@microsoft.com...
> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb
> not
> access the server, userB can.
>
> That is where I am going nuts at.
>
> Thank you;
>
> Rob
>
> "AllenM" wrote:
>
>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>> \\servername\c$
>> logged in as an Administrator?
>>
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Malke" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rob wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
>> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
>> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication.
>> >> >> >The
>> >> >> >server
>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
>> >> >> > they try
>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>> >> >> > computer,
>> >> >> > and they receive a
>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rob
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
>> >> > network share:
>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>> >> >
>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and
>> >> > I
>> >> > have
>> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
>> >> > to
>> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem
>> >> > was
>> >> > still persistant.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
>> >> > working
>> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>> >>
>> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact
>> >> Goldmine
>> >> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
>> >> workaround.
>> >>
>> >> Malke
>> >> --
>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
>> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
>> > server.
>> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
>> >
>> > Rob
>>
>>
>>



Re: appears to loose authentication by Malke

Malke
Mon Mar 27 16:09:44 CST 2006

Rob wrote:

> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA
> canb not access the server, userB can.
>
> That is where I am going nuts at.
>
> Thank you;
>
> Rob
>
> "AllenM" wrote:
>
>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>> \\servername\c$ logged in as an Administrator?
>>
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Malke" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rob wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the
>> >> >> first time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map
>> >> >> network drive and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this
>> >> >> folder is "shared" and have you reviewed Share and NTFS
>> >> >> Folder/File permissions?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing
>> >> >> >authentication. The server
>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer,
>> >> >> > and they try
>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>> >> >> > computer, and they receive a
>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which
>> >> >> > the domain admin can not even log onto.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user
>> >> >> > reboot their
>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rob
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map
>> >> > the network share:
>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>> >> >
>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share,
>> >> > and I have
>> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who
>> >> > needs to
>> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The
>> >> > problem was still persistant.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I
>> >> > started working
>> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>> >>
>> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact
>> >> Goldmine tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may
>> >> have a workaround.
>> >>
>> >> Malke
>> >> --
>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a
>> > microsoft
>> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of
>> > this server.
>> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.

Rob, I'm not meaning to put you off but you may want to post this in one
of the server groups since this really doesn't have anything to do with
security. The server gurus who regularly hang out in those groups are
amazing - many of them are sys admins for networks with thousands of
servers and workstations. Here's a list of all the MS newsgroups:

http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Have you looked in Event Viewer on the server? Any problems with
licensing or Terminal Services licenses? IIRC, if you kept track of
licensing with Win2k server it didn't always work well and it was
recommended that you just kept a record yourself and not use the
built-in function. Other than that, I'm out of ideas but I'm not a
server guru.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
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Re: appears to loose authentication by Steven

Steven
Mon Mar 27 18:08:50 CST 2006

Have the users try using the other users computer if they are using separate
computers to see what happens. It could be a problem with a network
adapter/network cable if it is isolated to one computer. I would also run
the support tool netdiag on the computer on question to see if it reports
anything of interest particularly if the you have an Active Directory
domain. --- Steve


"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:903FC3E3-3936-42F0-A5FC-55C19E648542@microsoft.com...
> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb
> not
> access the server, userB can.
>
> That is where I am going nuts at.
>
> Thank you;
>
> Rob
>
> "AllenM" wrote:
>
>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>> \\servername\c$
>> logged in as an Administrator?
>>
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Malke" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rob wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
>> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
>> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication.
>> >> >> >The
>> >> >> >server
>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
>> >> >> > they try
>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>> >> >> > computer,
>> >> >> > and they receive a
>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rob
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
>> >> > network share:
>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>> >> >
>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and
>> >> > I
>> >> > have
>> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
>> >> > to
>> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem
>> >> > was
>> >> > still persistant.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
>> >> > working
>> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>> >>
>> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact
>> >> Goldmine
>> >> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
>> >> workaround.
>> >>
>> >> Malke
>> >> --
>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
>> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
>> > server.
>> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
>> >
>> > Rob
>>
>>
>>



Re: appears to loose authentication by Roger

Roger
Tue Mar 28 09:04:16 CST 2006


"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:903FC3E3-3936-42F0-A5FC-55C19E648542@microsoft.com...
> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb
> not
> access the server, userB can.
>

Is that on the same client machine at the time, or just that userA on
machineA
cannot while at same time userB on machineB can ??

I find interest in your comment earlier that if userA is seeing this problem
on computerA then a reboot of computerA allows userA to get access.
That to me indicates that you may have client machines configured with
an invalid DNS server in the Tcp/Ip settings.


> That is where I am going nuts at.
>
> Thank you;
>
> Rob
>
> "AllenM" wrote:
>
>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>> \\servername\c$
>> logged in as an Administrator?
>>
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Malke" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rob wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the first
>> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared" and
>> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication.
>> >> >> >The
>> >> >> >server
>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer, and
>> >> >> > they try
>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>> >> >> > computer,
>> >> >> > and they receive a
>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rob
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
>> >> > network share:
>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>> >> >
>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and
>> >> > I
>> >> > have
>> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who needs
>> >> > to
>> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem
>> >> > was
>> >> > still persistant.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
>> >> > working
>> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>> >>
>> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact
>> >> Goldmine
>> >> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
>> >> workaround.
>> >>
>> >> Malke
>> >> --
>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
>> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
>> > server.
>> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
>> >
>> > Rob
>>
>>
>>



Re: appears to loose authentication by AllenM

AllenM
Tue Mar 28 10:10:35 CST 2006

Not too sure about that Roger. I asked if he could as Administrator get to
\\servername\c$ and he said he could. However he cannot get to
\\servername\sharename which leads me to think that 1. It is an invalid
sharename. 2. Because he stated he "receive a message access denied" leads
me to think that there are security and permissions issues. 3. User A can
get to the share and UserB cannot is also suspect of NTFS permissions not
being applied correctly. Why he can get to the administrative root and not
to any shares below is baffling and also suspectable to incorrect NTFS
permissions. Only reason I can think it may be is that his permissions are
not set up properly. I'm thinking if he can get to \\servername then DNS is
not an issue. Your take?


"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:epR0ljnUGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:903FC3E3-3936-42F0-A5FC-55C19E648542@microsoft.com...
>> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb
>> not
>> access the server, userB can.
>>
>
> Is that on the same client machine at the time, or just that userA on
> machineA
> cannot while at same time userB on machineB can ??
>
> I find interest in your comment earlier that if userA is seeing this
> problem
> on computerA then a reboot of computerA allows userA to get access.
> That to me indicates that you may have client machines configured with
> an invalid DNS server in the Tcp/Ip settings.
>
>
>> That is where I am going nuts at.
>>
>> Thank you;
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> "AllenM" wrote:
>>
>>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>>> \\servername\c$
>>> logged in as an Administrator?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Malke" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Rob wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the
>>> >> >> first
>>> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network
>>> >> >> drive
>>> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared"
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication.
>>> >> >> >The
>>> >> >> >server
>>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer,
>>> >> >> > and
>>> >> >> > they try
>>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>>> >> >> > computer,
>>> >> >> > and they receive a
>>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which the
>>> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>>> >> >> > their
>>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Rob
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map the
>>> >> > network share:
>>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share, and
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who
>>> >> > needs
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > still persistant.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
>>> >> > working
>>> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>>> >>
>>> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact
>>> >> Goldmine
>>> >> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
>>> >> workaround.
>>> >>
>>> >> Malke
>>> >> --
>>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
>>> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
>>> > server.
>>> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
>>> >
>>> > Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>



Re: appears to loose authentication by Roger

Roger
Tue Mar 28 19:13:28 CST 2006

I agree with your diags. But I am unsure of the precise nature of
some scenarios that have been put forward, so am unsure as to
the applicability of those analyses, and of the DNS possibility.

If it were sharename, then there is no explaination for successful
access where only (apparent) change is reboot - same machine,
same account. On the other hand, the comments that UserA
cannot but UserB can might have meant simultaneously but from
different machines, just as the test to c$ that worked may have
been at a time when access was working.
I am dubious of the DNS explaination, but I cannot rule anything
out based on the imprecise scenarios given.

"AllenM" <allen.miyake@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uWr0mIoUGHA.1576@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Not too sure about that Roger. I asked if he could as Administrator get to
> \\servername\c$ and he said he could. However he cannot get to
> \\servername\sharename which leads me to think that 1. It is an invalid
> sharename. 2. Because he stated he "receive a message access denied" leads
> me to think that there are security and permissions issues. 3. User A can
> get to the share and UserB cannot is also suspect of NTFS permissions not
> being applied correctly. Why he can get to the administrative root and not
> to any shares below is baffling and also suspectable to incorrect NTFS
> permissions. Only reason I can think it may be is that his permissions are
> not set up properly. I'm thinking if he can get to \\servername then DNS
> is not an issue. Your take?
>
>
> "Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
> news:epR0ljnUGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:903FC3E3-3936-42F0-A5FC-55C19E648542@microsoft.com...
>>> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb
>>> not
>>> access the server, userB can.
>>>
>>
>> Is that on the same client machine at the time, or just that userA on
>> machineA
>> cannot while at same time userB on machineB can ??
>>
>> I find interest in your comment earlier that if userA is seeing this
>> problem
>> on computerA then a reboot of computerA allows userA to get access.
>> That to me indicates that you may have client machines configured with
>> an invalid DNS server in the Tcp/Ip settings.
>>
>>
>>> That is where I am going nuts at.
>>>
>>> Thank you;
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> "AllenM" wrote:
>>>
>>>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>>>> \\servername\c$
>>>> logged in as an Administrator?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Malke" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Rob wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the
>>>> >> >> first
>>>> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network
>>>> >> >> drive
>>>> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared"
>>>> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>>>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication.
>>>> >> >> >The
>>>> >> >> >server
>>>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer,
>>>> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> > they try
>>>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>>>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>>>> >> >> > computer,
>>>> >> >> > and they receive a
>>>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>>>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which
>>>> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user reboot
>>>> >> >> > their
>>>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Rob
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > network share:
>>>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share,
>>>> >> > and I
>>>> >> > have
>>>> >> > not found any problems. I temporally set one of the users who
>>>> >> > needs
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > access this as local admin, FC on the share and ntfs. The problem
>>>> >> > was
>>>> >> > still persistant.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > This is not a new share, it has been there since before I started
>>>> >> > working
>>>> >> > here (7 months). The problem first appeared a few months ago.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If this only happens when they try to access Goldmine, contact
>>>> >> Goldmine
>>>> >> tech support. This may be a known issue and/or they may have a
>>>> >> workaround.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Malke
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>>>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>>>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I have contacted Goldmine, and they have said that it is a microsoft
>>>> > problem. We are also recieving this problem on another share of this
>>>> > server.
>>>> > It is quite strange. I really appreciate your help on this.
>>>> >
>>>> > Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: appears to loose authentication by Steven

Steven
Tue Mar 28 22:13:06 CST 2006

For the original OP certainly check the permissions on the folder the user
can not access and make sure he is not a member of a group that has deny
permissions to the folder. The other think to keep in mind if using XP Pro
as the client computer is that often "stored credentials" can be a problem
accessing a share and the user does not even realize the are being used
which can be checked in Control Panel/user accounts/user - manage my network
passwords. Alternate persistent stored credentials for a mapped drive can be
another problem if the credentials are now invalid. Checking the server's
security log for failed logons at the time these events occur may be
helpful. DNS problems can be tricky but if the computer is a member of an
Active Directory domain make sure that ONLY domain controllers that are DNS
servers also for the domain are listed as preferred DNS servers. Problems
like you describe that can be cleared by a reboot could be related to the
fact that the wrong DNS server is being used, such as an ISP DNS server that
can not locate a domain controller [which is also Kerberos key server, etc]
and then the correct one is used after a reboot. -- Steve


"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:%23v98B4sUGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I agree with your diags. But I am unsure of the precise nature of
> some scenarios that have been put forward, so am unsure as to
> the applicability of those analyses, and of the DNS possibility.
>
> If it were sharename, then there is no explaination for successful
> access where only (apparent) change is reboot - same machine,
> same account. On the other hand, the comments that UserA
> cannot but UserB can might have meant simultaneously but from
> different machines, just as the test to c$ that worked may have
> been at a time when access was working.
> I am dubious of the DNS explaination, but I cannot rule anything
> out based on the imprecise scenarios given.
>
> "AllenM" <allen.miyake@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uWr0mIoUGHA.1576@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Not too sure about that Roger. I asked if he could as Administrator get
>> to \\servername\c$ and he said he could. However he cannot get to
>> \\servername\sharename which leads me to think that 1. It is an invalid
>> sharename. 2. Because he stated he "receive a message access denied"
>> leads me to think that there are security and permissions issues. 3. User
>> A can get to the share and UserB cannot is also suspect of NTFS
>> permissions not being applied correctly. Why he can get to the
>> administrative root and not to any shares below is baffling and also
>> suspectable to incorrect NTFS permissions. Only reason I can think it may
>> be is that his permissions are not set up properly. I'm thinking if he
>> can get to \\servername then DNS is not an issue. Your take?
>>
>>
>> "Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:epR0ljnUGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:903FC3E3-3936-42F0-A5FC-55C19E648542@microsoft.com...
>>>> That seems to work fine. Another strange part is that while userA canb
>>>> not
>>>> access the server, userB can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is that on the same client machine at the time, or just that userA on
>>> machineA
>>> cannot while at same time userB on machineB can ??
>>>
>>> I find interest in your comment earlier that if userA is seeing this
>>> problem
>>> on computerA then a reboot of computerA allows userA to get access.
>>> That to me indicates that you may have client machines configured with
>>> an invalid DNS server in the Tcp/Ip settings.
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is where I am going nuts at.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you;
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> "AllenM" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What happens when you try to from the run command line use
>>>>> \\servername\c$
>>>>> logged in as an Administrator?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:B6916D7F-F917-40EC-934F-ADD4673D1E46@microsoft.com...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Malke" wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Rob wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > "AllenM" wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Is this a new share you created and are trying to use for the
>>>>> >> >> first
>>>>> >> >> time? How is "G:" getting mapped? Login script? Or map network
>>>>> >> >> drive
>>>>> >> >> and reconnect at logon? Are you postive this folder is "shared"
>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>> >> >> have you reviewed Share and NTFS Folder/File permissions?
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >> news:BA55B150-1CD4-4AA1-8FF6-A49C5913CE04@microsoft.com...
>>>>> >> >> >I have a server here that appears to be loosing authentication.
>>>>> >> >> >The
>>>>> >> >> >server
>>>>> >> >> > is windows 2000.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Here is what happens: The user will log onto their computer,
>>>>> >> >> > and
>>>>> >> >> > they try
>>>>> >> >> > to open a network app. The app will not open, and no error
>>>>> >> >> > appears. The user will then try to open the G:\ from My
>>>>> >> >> > computer,
>>>>> >> >> > and they receive a
>>>>> >> >> > message access denied. I may try typing into run: \\server
>>>>> >> >> > to view the shares, but I am prompted with a logon box which
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > domain admin can not even log onto.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > The only way I have found to resolve it to have the user
>>>>> >> >> > reboot
>>>>> >> >> > their
>>>>> >> >> > computer. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Rob
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > here is an exact copy of the command in the logon script to map
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > network share:
>>>>> >> > net use g: \\icncrm\goldmine
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I checked the share and ntfs permissions on the goldmine share,
>>>>> >> >