Any way to conceal it?

Re: MAC address by David

David
Sat Feb 17 17:11:52 CST 2007

From: "needlove" <crunch@setiathome.domain>

| Any way to conceal it?
|

Please take a course on TCP/IP and or other protocols.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Re: MAC address by Bogwitch

Bogwitch
Sat Feb 17 17:14:36 CST 2007

needlove wrote:
> Any way to conceal it?

In what context?

What are you trying to achieve?

Bogwitch.


Re: MAC address by Mark

Mark
Sat Feb 17 16:10:12 CST 2007

> Any way to conceal it?


You can't conceal it on the same physical network, but you can change it
using a utility like this:
http://devices.natetrue.com/macshift/


Mark Burnett
http://xato.net


Re: MAC address by David

David
Sat Feb 17 18:53:55 CST 2007

From: "Mark Burnett" <mb@xato.net>

>> Any way to conceal it?
|
| You can't conceal it on the same physical network, but you can change it
| using a utility like this:
| http://devices.natetrue.com/macshift/
|
| Mark Burnett
| http://xato.net

Most NIC OS drivers allow you to overide the hard coded address with one you select. You
don't need third party software.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Re: MAC address by needlove

needlove
Sat Feb 17 21:52:02 CST 2007


"Bogwitch" <Bogwitch@reply.to.group.fake> wrote in message
news:w%LBh.21296$Da4.3156@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
| needlove wrote:
| > Any way to conceal it?
|
| In what context?
|
| What are you trying to achieve?
|
| Bogwitch.


Thanks for the link and info. I am giving the "Hide My MAC Address" trial
software a try but would rather do it without the software. Will give it a
google.

Context would be stand-alone, Windows XP pc, surfing the web using on-chip
Nvidia nForce networking controller which uses only Jetico Personal
firewall and TCP/IP protocol to connect via cable modem to ISP and web.

A visit to Steve Gibson's Sheilds UP! site to check my new, free Jetico
firewall, (replacing Lavasoft's clone of Agnitum's Outpost firewall due to
driver problems) showed that my MAC address was readily available to any
website requesting it.

Due to privacy and security concerns I wish to put a stop to it.






Re: MAC address by David

David
Sat Feb 17 22:16:54 CST 2007

From: "needlove" <crunch@setiathome.domain>


|
| Thanks for the link and info. I am giving the "Hide My MAC Address" trial
| software a try but would rather do it without the software. Will give it a
| google.
|
| Context would be stand-alone, Windows XP pc, surfing the web using on-chip
| Nvidia nForce networking controller which uses only Jetico Personal
| firewall and TCP/IP protocol to connect via cable modem to ISP and web.
|
| A visit to Steve Gibson's Sheilds UP! site to check my new, free Jetico
| firewall, (replacing Lavasoft's clone of Agnitum's Outpost firewall due to
| driver problems) showed that my MAC address was readily available to any
| website requesting it.
|
| Due to privacy and security concerns I wish to put a stop to it.
|

So ?

What's the big deal in seeing your MAC address ?
There isn't anything that can be done with it !

You are barking up the WRONG tree.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Re: MAC address by Mark

Mark
Sun Feb 18 00:26:03 CST 2007

A MAC address is necessary to route traffic to your computer. If Shields Up
can see your MAC address, it would have to be through some method such as a
NetBIOS lookup. Nevertheless, there is nothing anyone outside your ISP can
do with your MAC address. Steve Gibson has a reputation for over-hyping
things like that.

Make sure you have your Windows firewall enabled or install a personal
firewall, run anti-virus and anti-spyware software, and just don't be stupid
and you should be okay.

What do I mean by not being stupid? The other day I noticed my 10-year-old
had installed custom cursers on his Windows profile. I asked him about that
because I was concerned about him inadvertantly installing malware of some
sort. He told me he wasn't stupid--he only downloads from web sites he's
heard of on TV before. It was then that I realized that often it is just
that simple.


Mark Burnett
http://xato.net





"needlove" <crunch@setiathome.domain> wrote in message
news:eiz%23jAxUHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Bogwitch" <Bogwitch@reply.to.group.fake> wrote in message
> news:w%LBh.21296$Da4.3156@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> | needlove wrote:
> | > Any way to conceal it?
> |
> | In what context?
> |
> | What are you trying to achieve?
> |
> | Bogwitch.
>
>
> Thanks for the link and info. I am giving the "Hide My MAC Address" trial
> software a try but would rather do it without the software. Will give it a
> google.
>
> Context would be stand-alone, Windows XP pc, surfing the web using on-chip
> Nvidia nForce networking controller which uses only Jetico Personal
> firewall and TCP/IP protocol to connect via cable modem to ISP and web.
>
> A visit to Steve Gibson's Sheilds UP! site to check my new, free Jetico
> firewall, (replacing Lavasoft's clone of Agnitum's Outpost firewall due to
> driver problems) showed that my MAC address was readily available to any
> website requesting it.
>
> Due to privacy and security concerns I wish to put a stop to it.
>
>
>
>
>


Re: MAC address by S

S
Sun Feb 18 01:22:10 CST 2007

G'day:

"Mark Burnett" <mb@xato.net> wrote in message
news:8D3C0407-07D6-4927-A7C4-9892D98B25CA@microsoft.com...
>> Any way to conceal it?
>
>
> You can't conceal it on the same physical network

Matter of fact - you can: http://sl.mvps.org/docs/802dot1x.htm

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-



Re: MAC address by needlove

needlove
Sun Feb 18 02:02:04 CST 2007


"Mark Burnett" <mb@xato.net> wrote in message
news:A0033520-A6AB-4B58-A352-DB86EBCF3DA1@microsoft.com...
|A MAC address is necessary to route traffic to your computer. If Shields
Up
| can see your MAC address, it would have to be through some method such as
a
| NetBIOS lookup. Nevertheless, there is nothing anyone outside your ISP
can
| do with your MAC address. Steve Gibson has a reputation for over-hyping
| things like that.
|
| Make sure you have your Windows firewall enabled or install a personal
| firewall, run anti-virus and anti-spyware software, and just don't be
stupid
| and you should be okay.
|
| What do I mean by not being stupid? The other day I noticed my
10-year-old
| had installed custom cursers on his Windows profile. I asked him about
that
| because I was concerned about him inadvertantly installing malware of
some
| sort. He told me he wasn't stupid--he only downloads from web sites he's
| heard of on TV before. It was then that I realized that often it is just
| that simple.
|
|
| Mark Burnett
| http://xato.net
|
|
|
|
|
| "needlove" <crunch@setiathome.domain> wrote in message
| news:eiz%23jAxUHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >
| > "Bogwitch" <Bogwitch@reply.to.group.fake> wrote in message
| > news:w%LBh.21296$Da4.3156@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
| > | needlove wrote:
| > | > Any way to conceal it?
| > |
| > | In what context?
| > |
| > | What are you trying to achieve?
| > |
| > | Bogwitch.
| >
| >
| > Thanks for the link and info. I am giving the "Hide My MAC Address"
trial
| > software a try but would rather do it without the software. Will give
it a
| > google.
| >
| > Context would be stand-alone, Windows XP pc, surfing the web using
on-chip
| > Nvidia nForce networking controller which uses only Jetico Personal
| > firewall and TCP/IP protocol to connect via cable modem to ISP and web.
| >
| > A visit to Steve Gibson's Sheilds UP! site to check my new, free Jetico
| > firewall, (replacing Lavasoft's clone of Agnitum's Outpost firewall due
to
| > driver problems) showed that my MAC address was readily available to
any
| > website requesting it.
| >
| > Due to privacy and security concerns I wish to put a stop to it.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
Given my IP and Mac address there is no other computer within 600 million
miles that matches this information. It's like posting your e-mail address,
your phone number and your families birth certificate information on
Myspace.

Steve Gibson may go overboard a time or two but by using "socket lock" and
"Kill the messenger" and other tools I have thwarted heaps of spycrap. What
have you done?

Obviously this is the wrong forum to seek security advice good day.



Re: MAC address by Joan

Joan
Sun Feb 18 04:56:38 CST 2007

I take it then that you let your 10 year old run as an administrator on
your machine, isn't that asking for trouble.
Joan


Mark Burnett wrote:
>snip>
>
> What do I mean by not being stupid? The other day I noticed my
> 10-year-old had installed custom cursers on his Windows profile. I
> asked him about that because I was concerned about him inadvertantly
> installing malware of some sort. He told me he wasn't stupid--he only
> downloads from web sites he's heard of on TV before. It was then that
> I realized that often it is just that simple.
>
>
> Mark Burnett
> http://xato.net



Re: MAC address by Kerry

Kerry
Sun Feb 18 10:10:38 CST 2007

"needlove" <crunch@setiathome.domain> wrote in message
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>
> Given my IP and Mac address there is no other computer within 600 million
> miles that matches this information. It's like posting your e-mail
> address,
> your phone number and your families birth certificate information on
> Myspace.
>
> Steve Gibson may go overboard a time or two but by using "socket lock" and
> "Kill the messenger" and other tools I have thwarted heaps of spycrap.
> What
> have you done?
>
> Obviously this is the wrong forum to seek security advice good day.
>
>

There are many security experts that post to this newsgroup. A Mac address
is sort of like your phone number. You can get it unlisted but legitimate
callers will have a much harder time finding you and random telephone
spammers with auto dialers will still find you. A better defense is to just
hang up when you get a call you don't like and possibly register with a do
not call registry. On a computer this is like using a firewall and
antimalware programs. Hiding your Mac doesn't serve a useful purpose and may
give you a false sense of security. The only thing hiding your Mac will do
is make it harder to identify you in a court case if you've done something
illegal. It isn't useful in the context of hiding from malware.


--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca



Re: MAC address by S

S
Mon Feb 19 02:12:42 CST 2007

G'day:

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:eenqVd3UHHA.4796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> There are many security experts that post to this newsgroup. A Mac address
> is sort of like your phone number. You can get it unlisted but legitimate
> callers will have a much harder time finding you and random telephone
> spammers with auto dialers will still find you. A better defense is to
> just hang up when you get a call you don't like and possibly register with
> a do not call registry. On a computer this is like using a firewall and
> antimalware programs. Hiding your Mac doesn't serve a useful purpose and
> may give you a false sense of security. The only thing hiding your Mac
> will do is make it harder to identify you in a court case if you've done
> something illegal. It isn't useful in the context of hiding from malware.
>

Besides, there's a difference: MAC address doesn't matter at all anywhere
but on the local network switch. So MAC address isn't anything like your
phone number. It's like extension number on your office PBX.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-