Warning: MVP.org is not an MSoft MVP site

The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
being of help to users of Windows.

We have become aware that there is another domain,
mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
members, and may put visitors at risk.
(Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)

Posted on behalf of numerous MVPs.
--
Roger Abell
MS MVP (Windows Server System : Security)
MCDBA MCSE W2k3+W2k+NT4

James
Sat Jan 10 15:43:02 CST 2004

Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
> The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> being of help to users of Windows.
>
> We have become aware that there is another domain,
> mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> members, and may put visitors at risk.
> (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)


Not trying to picky, but you do realise that by mentioning it here, you're
actually directing traffic to it ... <sigh> There are plenty of domains
with mvp in their names, most of which have nothing to do with the MS MVP
program....... why single out mvp.org for comment?

James

Bill
Sat Jan 10 15:59:02 CST 2004

Agreed....I admit I was tempted...pop ups galore...no site.

Beginning to think this was a clever hoax but see same post in other NGs by
other MVPs....Hmmmm

--
www.smallbizserver.net (2000 and 2003)

microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000 (2000 NG)

microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs (2003 NG)

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

http://www.sbslinks.com/

"James Reather" <james.news@reather.com> wrote in message
news:OLSszM81DHA.3140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
> > The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> > contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> > being of help to users of Windows.
> >
> > We have become aware that there is another domain,
> > mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> > has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> > members, and may put visitors at risk.
> > (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
>
>
> Not trying to picky, but you do realise that by mentioning it here, you're
> actually directing traffic to it ... <sigh> There are plenty of domains
> with mvp in their names, most of which have nothing to do with the MS MVP
> program....... why single out mvp.org for comment?
>
> James
>
>

Torgeir
Sat Jan 10 16:35:17 CST 2004

James Reather wrote:

> Not trying to picky, but you do realise that by mentioning it here, you're
> actually directing traffic to it ... <sigh> There are plenty of domains
> with mvp in their names, most of which have nothing to do with the MS MVP
> program....... why single out mvp.org for comment?

Hi

As far as I am informed this site (or one on the pop-up sites it calls) does
"drive-by" installs of malware, e.g. HitQ Navigator (a toolbar hijacker) is
mentioned. Hence the message to the newsgroups.


--
torgeir
Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page
Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter

Roger
Sat Jan 10 16:50:35 CST 2004

We discussed long on whether to post, and if so
how much to say.

We realize that the post provided the domain name,
but at least not as a clickable. How else could the
warning be useful ??

We are very concerned because it is just a typo away,
actively installs (or attempts to) malware, and some
which is not yet been fully covered by the detector
programs, nor a search preemptor much yet discussed
if one googles after info.

I added the (parenthesized warning to stay away)
at the end as the post as found in other NGs was IMO
not sufficently clear that bad things lay beyond that
URL, but for legalities sake a weak wording was choosen.

If someone considers the posting ill-advised, please
excuse, but this seems to have only recently appeared
(although the name has been owned for quite a while)
and we wished to take a precautionary approach.

Regards,
Roger

"James Reather" <james.news@reather.com> wrote in message
news:OLSszM81DHA.3140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
> > The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> > contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> > being of help to users of Windows.
> >
> > We have become aware that there is another domain,
> > mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> > has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> > members, and may put visitors at risk.
> > (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
>
>
> Not trying to picky, but you do realise that by mentioning it here, you're
> actually directing traffic to it ... <sigh> There are plenty of domains
> with mvp in their names, most of which have nothing to do with the MS MVP
> program....... why single out mvp.org for comment?
>
> James
>
>

Robert
Sat Jan 10 16:54:55 CST 2004

James Reather wrote:
> why single out mvp.org for
> comment?

(note that the decision to post a warning was nothing at all to do with me,
I didn't know it was going to happen)

I assume, because its easy to be attempting to type mvps.org into your
browser, and miss/typo the "s" off the end of "mvps"


--
--
Rob Moir
Microsoft MVP for servers & security
Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html

Taurarian
Sat Jan 10 17:08:41 CST 2004

Roger Abell, I for one appreciate your warning and will be careful not to visit
the suspect site.
Thanks again for the warning and would appreciate any updates on your posting
regarding the site.


"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:uN%23MWx81DHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> We discussed long on whether to post, and if so
> how much to say.
>
> We realize that the post provided the domain name,
> but at least not as a clickable. How else could the
> warning be useful ??
>
> We are very concerned because it is just a typo away,
> actively installs (or attempts to) malware, and some
> which is not yet been fully covered by the detector
> programs, nor a search preemptor much yet discussed
> if one googles after info.
>
> I added the (parenthesized warning to stay away)
> at the end as the post as found in other NGs was IMO
> not sufficently clear that bad things lay beyond that
> URL, but for legalities sake a weak wording was choosen.
>
> If someone considers the posting ill-advised, please
> excuse, but this seems to have only recently appeared
> (although the name has been owned for quite a while)
> and we wished to take a precautionary approach.
>
> Regards,
> Roger
>
> "James Reather" <james.news@reather.com> wrote in message
> news:OLSszM81DHA.3140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
> > > The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> > > contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> > > being of help to users of Windows.
> > >
> > > We have become aware that there is another domain,
> > > mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> > > has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> > > members, and may put visitors at risk.
> > > (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
> >
> >
> > Not trying to picky, but you do realise that by mentioning it here, you're
> > actually directing traffic to it ... <sigh> There are plenty of domains
> > with mvp in their names, most of which have nothing to do with the MS MVP
> > program....... why single out mvp.org for comment?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
>

Paul
Sat Jan 10 17:12:57 CST 2004

In article <40007E25.DF71BA54@hydro.com>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
<Torgeir.Bakken-spam@hydro.com> says...

> does
> "drive-by" installs of malware, e.g. HitQ Navigator (a toolbar hijacker) is
> mentioned. Hence the message to the newsgroups.
>

So, by announcing it, all those non-tech folks who come here and see the
post, and are tempted to go there, and have no protection, wind up being
nailed.

Why would anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?

--
Paul Adare
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

Paul
Sat Jan 10 17:14:18 CST 2004

In article <uN#MWx81DHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, Roger Abell [MVP]
<mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> says...

>
> We are very concerned because it is just a typo away,
> actively installs (or attempts to) malware
>

Away from what? Another domain that Microsoft doesn't control? Why
should anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?

--
Paul Adare
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

Roger
Sat Jan 10 17:14:02 CST 2004


"Taurarian" <taurarian@REMOVE-CAPS-AND-INVALIDhotmail.com.INVALID> wrote in
message news:eV5cz681DHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Roger Abell, I for one appreciate your warning and will be careful not to
visit
> the suspect site.
> Thanks again for the warning and would appreciate any updates on your
posting
> regarding the site.
>
>

Thanks. AFAIK the most commonly installed anti-walware
software vendors have been informed.
--ra

Susan
Sat Jan 10 17:16:33 CST 2004

It's a site with tons of helpful links, answers and information that
MVPs have built.

It's a site you DO want to visit.

Paul Adare wrote:

> In article <40007E25.DF71BA54@hydro.com>, in the
> microsoft.public.security news group, Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> <Torgeir.Bakken-spam@hydro.com> says...
>
>
>>does
>>"drive-by" installs of malware, e.g. HitQ Navigator (a toolbar hijacker) is
>>mentioned. Hence the message to the newsgroups.
>>
>
>
> So, by announcing it, all those non-tech folks who come here and see the
> post, and are tempted to go there, and have no protection, wind up being
> nailed.
>
> Why would anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?
>

--
http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm

Roger
Sat Jan 10 17:28:23 CST 2004

Paul,

Like it or not, it is not a question of why, but the
fact that many do, mostly ones directed their by
visiting these NGs. You seem to believe no one
would wish to visit a non-MS website (?).

That is all I will have to say.

Roger

"Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message >
> >
> > We are very concerned because it is just a typo away,
> > actively installs (or attempts to) malware
> >
>
> Away from what? Another domain that Microsoft doesn't control? Why
> should anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
> H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

SuperGumby
Sat Jan 10 17:54:36 CST 2004

you're a 'glass half empty' type of person heh?

as has been posted, the advisory doesn't even have a clickable link. A
reader would have to ignore the warning and deliberately visit the site, I
believe such action would be easily described as 'criminal stupidity'.

"Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a6a51515810770c9897b3@msnews.microsoft.com...
> In article <uN#MWx81DHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, in the
> microsoft.public.security news group, Roger Abell [MVP]
> <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> says...
>
> >
> > We are very concerned because it is just a typo away,
> > actively installs (or attempts to) malware
> >
>
> Away from what? Another domain that Microsoft doesn't control? Why
> should anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
> H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

Bill
Sat Jan 10 18:28:40 CST 2004

"Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a6a51515810770c9897b3@msnews.microsoft.com...
>
> Away from what? Another domain that Microsoft doesn't control? Why
> should anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?
>
What action should Microsoft take if someone owning Microsfot.com creates a
site dispensing browser hijack code?

I can agree that this posting is a two-edged sword--there's a risk here. It
is important for the MVP's whose sites are hosted by mvps.org to understand
the risk that a typo may lead to for their readers.

The MVP's as a group don't have the clout to go after this site--if, indeed,
there's anything to "go after"--I'm unclear about whether there's anything
illegal in what it does.

It's reasonable to want to warn potential readers that the imposter (via a
typo) site is dangerous, I think.

Rowdy
Sat Jan 10 20:19:59 CST 2004

"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in news:uEG0m071DHA.1740
@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> being of help to users of Windows.
>
> We have become aware that there is another domain,
> mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> members, and may put visitors at risk.
> (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
>
> Posted on behalf of numerous MVPs.

sorry MVP's, i am going to have to go against y'all on this one. you
shouldn't post this stuff in the first place.

just tell the people how to get to "YOUR" site. don't try to do "pre-
emptive" support.


--
Rowdy Yates
MCSE, Security+, Linux+
I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com

SuperGumby
Sat Jan 10 20:27:07 CST 2004

that's the difference between reactive and proactive support. I know which I
prefer.

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy.yates@no-spam.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946CD9021865rowdyyatesnospamlyco@207.46.248.16...
> "Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in news:uEG0m071DHA.1740
> @TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>
> > The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> > contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> > being of help to users of Windows.
> >
> > We have become aware that there is another domain,
> > mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> > has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> > members, and may put visitors at risk.
> > (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
> >
> > Posted on behalf of numerous MVPs.
>
> sorry MVP's, i am going to have to go against y'all on this one. you
> shouldn't post this stuff in the first place.
>
> just tell the people how to get to "YOUR" site. don't try to do "pre-
> emptive" support.
>
>
> --
> Rowdy Yates
> MCSE, Security+, Linux+
> I am Against-TCPA
> http://www.againsttcpa.com

Rowdy
Sat Jan 10 21:37:08 CST 2004

"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in
news:u#8z5p#1DHA.3416@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> that's the difference between reactive and proactive support. I know
> which I prefer.
>
> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy.yates@no-spam.lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns946CD9021865rowdyyatesnospamlyco@207.46.248.16...
>> "Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in
>> news:uEG0m071DHA.1740 @TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>>
>> > The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
>> > contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
>> > being of help to users of Windows.
>> >
>> > We have become aware that there is another domain,
>> > mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
>> > has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
>> > members, and may put visitors at risk.
>> > (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
>> >
>> > Posted on behalf of numerous MVPs.
>>
>> sorry MVP's, i am going to have to go against y'all on this one. you
>> shouldn't post this stuff in the first place.
>>
>> just tell the people how to get to "YOUR" site. don't try to do "pre-
>> emptive" support.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rowdy Yates
>> MCSE, Security+, Linux+
>> I am Against-TCPA
>> http://www.againsttcpa.com
>
>

proactive support? okay...

whatever.

--
Rowdy Yates
MCSE, Security+, Linux+
I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com

mae
Sun Jan 11 01:50:30 CST 2004

"Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message =
news:MPG.1a6a5105e4bf5d7b9897b2@msnews.microsoft.com...
| In article <40007E25.DF71BA54@hydro.com>, in the=20
| microsoft.public.security news group, Torgeir Bakken (MVP)=20
| <Torgeir.Bakken-spam@hydro.com> says...
|=20
| > does
| > "drive-by" installs of malware, e.g. HitQ Navigator (a toolbar =
hijacker) is
| > mentioned. Hence the message to the newsgroups.
| >=20
|=20
| So, by announcing it, all those non-tech folks who come here and see =
the=20
| post, and are tempted to go there, and have no protection, wind up =
being=20
| nailed.
|=20
| Why would anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?
|=20
| --=20
| Paul Adare
| Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
| H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

Why?
For starters, do you want the first million and one?
All the reasons would probably exceed your lifetime.

mae

James
Sun Jan 11 04:39:37 CST 2004

Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
> We discussed long on whether to post, and if so
> how much to say.
[snip]

The sad truth is, that (especially newbie) end users shouldn't trust advice
or binaries except those found on www.microsoft.com. There's simply no way
for the uninitiated to tell that www.mvps.org is "approved" or "safe" or
"legitimate" (and anyway, mvps.org isn't "approved" by MS, check the
disclaimer: "Microsoft is in no way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement
of, this site")

Official MS content is (almost) always hosted under the microsoft.com
domain - notice www.betaplace.com has been phased out and the content moved
to beta.microsoft.com. One of the FAQs on www.betaplace.com was "Q: Is this
an official MS site? A: Yes...". The fact that they had to put that there
showed that people misunderstood it.

mvps.org is a mine of useful information (and I've found many helpful tips
there over the years), but so are www.smallbizserver.net , www.sbslinks.com
, www.sbs03.com (just naming three third-party sites from the SBS world).
However, if a user is unable to tell whether they should trust a site or
not, they should stick to reading www.microsoft.com....

James

Paul
Sun Jan 11 07:16:20 CST 2004

In article <eT2XdG91DHA.4032@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, Roger Abell [MVP]
<mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> says...

> Like it or not, it is not a question of why, but the
> fact that many do, mostly ones directed their by
> visiting these NGs. You seem to believe no one
> would wish to visit a non-MS website (?).
>
> That is all I will have to say.
>

Thanks Roger. I had never been. Was interested, and asked. Thanks for
the answer.

--
Paul Adare
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

Paul
Sun Jan 11 07:15:49 CST 2004

In article <O56QP$81DHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, in the
microsoft.public.security news group, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS
Rocks [MVP] <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> says...

> It's a site with tons of helpful links, answers and information that
> MVPs have built.
>
> It's a site you DO want to visit.
>

Just asking.

Thanks for the info.

--
Paul Adare
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman

Lanwench
Sat Jan 10 22:14:24 CST 2004

Rowdy Yates wrote:
<snip>

> sorry MVP's, i am going to have to go against y'all on this one. you
> shouldn't post this stuff in the first place.
>
> just tell the people how to get to "YOUR" site. don't try to do "pre-
> emptive" support.

You are under no obligation to heed the advice - I think it was meant in a
helpful fashion.

Roger
Sun Jan 11 08:47:59 CST 2004


"Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a6b16af9b66f6bb9897b6@msnews.microsoft.com...
> In article <eT2XdG91DHA.4032@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, in the
> microsoft.public.security news group, Roger Abell [MVP]
> <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> says...
>
> > Like it or not, it is not a question of why, but the
> > fact that many do, mostly ones directed their by
> > visiting these NGs. You seem to believe no one
> > would wish to visit a non-MS website (?).
> >
> > That is all I will have to say.
> >
>
> Thanks Roger. I had never been. Was interested, and asked. Thanks for
> the answer.
>

No problem Paul.
While I also agree it may have been just as wise to not post
and do nothing, between the current lack of protections,
and this is the one to which I related
the simplicity of not typing that terminal s
the decision was taken.
It seems I am always exchanging letters, leaving the
r off or your, typing their for there though I full know
better, etc. . . .
Roger

Bill
Sun Jan 11 13:58:17 CST 2004

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy.yates@no-spam.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946CD9021865rowdyyatesnospamlyco@207.46.248.16...
>
> sorry MVP's, i am going to have to go against y'all on this one. you
> shouldn't post this stuff in the first place.
>
> just tell the people how to get to "YOUR" site. don't try to do "pre-
> emptive" support.
>
It's a judgement call. I'm not sure if you've looked at the site in
question and checked out what it downloads without request on your part, but
it is neither pretty nor covered by current scanners for such things. Thus
the judgement that a warning was in order.

Rowdy
Sun Jan 11 16:21:20 CST 2004

"Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in
news:eC1b$0H2DHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy.yates@no-spam.lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns946CD9021865rowdyyatesnospamlyco@207.46.248.16...
>>
>> sorry MVP's, i am going to have to go against y'all on this one. you
>> shouldn't post this stuff in the first place.
>>
>> just tell the people how to get to "YOUR" site. don't try to do "pre-
>> emptive" support.
>>
> It's a judgement call. I'm not sure if you've looked at the site in
> question and checked out what it downloads without request on your
> part, but it is neither pretty nor covered by current scanners for
> such things. Thus the judgement that a warning was in order.
>
>
>
>
>

i agree. it's a judgement call.

bill, no i didn't check out the link. you guys told me not to. :-)
--
Rowdy Yates
MCSE, Security+, Linux+
I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com

Bill
Sun Jan 11 19:48:25 CST 2004

:)

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy.yates@no-spam.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns946DB08AF567Drowdyyatesnospamlyco@207.46.248.16...
>
> bill, no i didn't check out the link. you guys told me not to. :-)
> --

Larry
Sun Jan 11 23:05:35 CST 2004

And unfortunately,anyone that was that careless is in trouble unless their
machine is completely hardened.
Just having all current patches is not enough for this site--you have to be
running either XP SP2 or have security levels set to high in SP1.

--
Larry Samuels MS-MVP (Windows-Shell/User)
Associate Expert
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://home.earthlink.net/~larrysamuels/WS2003FAQ.htm
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:Oi6zwU91DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> you're a 'glass half empty' type of person heh?
>
> as has been posted, the advisory doesn't even have a clickable link. A
> reader would have to ignore the warning and deliberately visit the site, I
> believe such action would be easily described as 'criminal stupidity'.
>
> "Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1a6a51515810770c9897b3@msnews.microsoft.com...
>> In article <uN#MWx81DHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, in the
>> microsoft.public.security news group, Roger Abell [MVP]
>> <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> says...
>>
>> >
>> > We are very concerned because it is just a typo away,
>> > actively installs (or attempts to) malware
>> >
>>
>> Away from what? Another domain that Microsoft doesn't control? Why
>> should anyone go to mvps.org in the first place?
>>
>> --
>> Paul Adare
>> Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
>> H. G. Wells, The Wife of Sir Isaac Harman
>
>

John
Tue Jan 13 07:03:40 CST 2004


"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:Oi6zwU91DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> you're a 'glass half empty' type of person heh?
>

That saying is a poor analogy to attitude, maybe more analogous to my libation
state.

Assuming this fact, when I pour a glass of wine, it's for me to drink, to
consume. It's not to leave out on the table forever to admire.

So as I'm drinking it, I drink it to the bottom (of course it's half empty) then
I may fill it again.

If my wine bottles also empty though, I can't necessarily fill it again. So I
guess my attitude depends on how much wine I have left in the wine bottle.
Assuming the wine bottle had some left over, then I could truly can say, oh,
it's not half empty, it's half full or able to be filled again..

Usually if I've reached the bottom of the bottle, at that point I'm in a very
good mood!!
Especially if it was a nice Californian Cabernet.

:-)

jcochran
Tue Jan 13 10:19:00 CST 2004

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:03:40 -0400, "John Smith"
<someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>news:Oi6zwU91DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> you're a 'glass half empty' type of person heh?
>>
>
>That saying is a poor analogy to attitude, maybe more analogous to my libation
>state.
>
>Assuming this fact, when I pour a glass of wine, it's for me to drink, to
>consume. It's not to leave out on the table forever to admire.

I really don't see the glass as half empty or half full, I'm usually
too mad that someone's been drinking my wine... :)

Jeff

Ken
Tue Jan 13 10:47:38 CST 2004

I don't see the glass as half full either. I see the glass as too big. You
should either have a smaller glass or you should keep it constantly full.

"Jeff Cochran" <jcochran.nospam@naplesgov.com> wrote in message
news:40051a4e.963145600@msnews.microsoft.com...
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:03:40 -0400, "John Smith"
> <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> >news:Oi6zwU91DHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> you're a 'glass half empty' type of person heh?
> >>
> >
> >That saying is a poor analogy to attitude, maybe more analogous to my
libation
> >state.
> >
> >Assuming this fact, when I pour a glass of wine, it's for me to drink, to
> >consume. It's not to leave out on the table forever to admire.
>
> I really don't see the glass as half empty or half full, I'm usually
> too mad that someone's been drinking my wine... :)
>
> Jeff

Chris
Thu Jan 15 15:35:04 CST 2004

http://www.network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=3Dexpress&Netnic=3Dwhois.ar=
in.net&host=3Dwww.mvp.org

Ha!

"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message =
news:uEG0m071DHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> being of help to users of Windows.
>=20
> We have become aware that there is another domain,
> mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> members, and may put visitors at risk.
> (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
>=20
> Posted on behalf of numerous MVPs.
> --=20
> Roger Abell
> MS MVP (Windows Server System : Security)
> MCDBA MCSE W2k3+W2k+NT4
>=20
>

Tedd
Thu Jan 15 17:47:16 CST 2004

McAfee Visual Trace Version 3.25 Results
Target: www.mvp.org
Date: 1/15/04 (Thursday), 3:42:50 PM
Nodes: 22


Node Data
Node Net Reg IP Address Location Node Name
22 1 1 220.80.108.130 SEOUL www.mvp.org

Domain ID:D63376813-LROR
Domain Name:MVP.ORG
Created On:22-Feb-2001 11:37:37 UTC
Last Updated On:08-Oct-2003 01:57:39 UTC
Expiration Date:22-Feb-2004 11:37:36 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R11-LROR
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tuYTOfJUT7luIv4c
Registrant Name:Steve K.
Registrant Organization:NorthWestEnterprise,Inc.
Registrant Street1:7 rue du Mont Blanc
Registrant City:Geneva
Registrant State/Province:Geneva
Registrant Postal Code:CH-I201
Registrant Country:CH
Registrant Phone:+41.62532365
Registrant Email:domains@hanafos.com
Admin ID:tuYTOfJUT7luIv4c
Admin Name:Steve K.
Admin Organization:NorthWestEnterprise,Inc.
Admin Street1:7 rue du Mont Blanc
Admin City:Geneva
Admin State/Province:Geneva
Admin Postal Code:CH-I201
Admin Country:CH
Admin Phone:+41.62532365
Admin Email:domains@hanafos.com
Tech ID:tuYTOfJUT7luIv4c
Tech Name:Steve K.
Tech Organization:NorthWestEnterprise,Inc.
Tech Street1:7 rue du Mont Blanc
Tech City:Geneva
Tech State/Province:Geneva
Tech Postal Code:CH-I201
Tech Country:CH
Tech Phone:+41.62532365
Tech Email:domains@hanafos.com
Name Server:NS2.MYDOMAIN.COM
_____
Visual Trace Copyright ©1997-2001 NeoWorx Inc

You lost me with the "Ha!" part ? I think it was wise to warn people not to
go there unless they want a virus downloaded, as it is easy to slip and miss
the "s" on MVPS and many people do not know what the S is for anyway,, so
they go looking for this site.
--
Tedd Riggs



"Chris Willoughby" <avoozl@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:100e1qn7fcdf8e5@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&Netnic=whois.arin.net&host=www.mvp.org

Ha!

"Roger Abell [MVP]" <mvpNoSpam@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:uEG0m071DHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> The Microsoft MVPs have a web domain, mvps.org, which
> contains whatwe hope are a lot of useful articles aimed at
> being of help to users of Windows.
>
> We have become aware that there is another domain,
> mvp.org *without*the s, and would advise you all that this
> has no connection with theMicrosoft MVP program or its
> members, and may put visitors at risk.
> (Visiting that site is not recommended at the present time!)
>
> Posted on behalf of numerous MVPs.
> --
> Roger Abell
> MS MVP (Windows Server System : Security)
> MCDBA MCSE W2k3+W2k+NT4
>
>

James
Fri Jan 16 10:24:42 CST 2004

Chris Willoughby wrote:
> http://www.network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&Netnic=whois.arin.net&host=www.mvp.org
>
> Ha!

Eh?

James