Web Virus May Be Stealing Financial Data

Jun 25, 1:52 PM (ET)

By ANICK JESDANUN

NEW YORK (AP) - A mysterious Internet virus being spread
Friday by hundreds and possibly thousands of infected Web
sites may be aimed at stealing credit card and other
valuable information, security experts warned.

The infection appears to take advantage of three separate
flaws with Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) products. Microsoft said
software updates to fix two of them had been released in
April, BUT THE THIRD FLAW WAS NEWLY DISCOVERED AND HAD NO
PATCH TO FIX IT YET.

Experts said the infection, detected by Microsoft on
Thursday, was unusually broad but wasn't substantially
interfering with Internet traffic.

Security experts at Microsoft and elsewhere worked Friday
to pin down how the infection spreads across Web sites. It
appears to target at least one recent version of Microsoft
software for operating Web sites - called Internet
Information Server.

The infection makes subtle changes to the Web site so
visitors get a piece of code that's designed to retrieve
from a Russian Web site software that records a person's
keystrokes and can send data back, experts say. Such
software "Trojan horses" are routinely used to fish for
credit card numbers, bank accounts, passwords and the like.

Now that the code is out, other hackers are likely to
adapt it to distribute software for spamming and for
launching broad Internet attacks against popular Web
sites, said Alfred Huger, senior director of engineering
at security company Symantec Corp. (SYMC)

"Users should be aware that any Web site, even those that
may be trusted by the user, may be affected by this
activity and thus contain potentially malicious code," the
U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team warned in an
Internet alert.

Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at Microsoft,
recommended that computer owners obtain the latest
security updates for Microsoft products and their anti-
virus and firewall programs.

Because one flaw has yet to be fixed, he said, users
should also turn up security settings on Microsoft's
Internet Explorer browsers to the highest levels.

Security experts noted that users can avoid the exploit by
using alternative browsers such as Mozilla and Opera.
Users could also turn off the "Javascript" feature on
their Microsoft browsers, though doing so cripple
functions on some sites.

The infection does not affect Macintosh versions of
Internet Explorer.

Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT by S

S
Fri Jun 25 18:50:35 CDT 2004

It's a lie.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

"LIVE n Active CULTURES" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:2167701c45ae9$fea62e40$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> Web Virus May Be Stealing Financial Data

> April, BUT THE THIRD FLAW WAS NEWLY DISCOVERED AND HAD NO
> PATCH TO FIX IT YET.



Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT by Tom

Tom
Fri Jun 25 19:56:55 CDT 2004

I, for one, ask you to provide us with documentation that it's a "lie"

Thanks,

Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Omn%2368wWEHA.1356@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| It's a lie.
|
| --
| Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
| -= F1 is the key =-
|
| "LIVE n Active CULTURES" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| message news:2167701c45ae9$fea62e40$a301280a@phx.gbl...
| > Web Virus May Be Stealing Financial Data
|
| > April, BUT THE THIRD FLAW WAS NEWLY DISCOVERED AND HAD NO
| > PATCH TO FIX IT YET.
|
|



Not a lie or hoax by LIVE

LIVE
Fri Jun 25 23:35:26 CDT 2004

It's not a lie or hoax. Know your facts before you post
your messages.

You need proof? Go to
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1088193
986871_4/?hub=CTVNewsAt11

or

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/06/25/ap1434413.ht
ml

Or, just go to your own search engine and type in "web
virus may steal valuable data"

>-----Original Message-----
>It's a lie.
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-

Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT by S

S
Sat Jun 26 02:49:38 CDT 2004

Documentation, huh?
Mass circulation of a trojan that mounts on fully patched and secured
systems - that doesn't happen.

Sources mentioned by the canadian TV:

Microsoft security incident information -
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/default.mspx

US CERT - http://www.us-cert.gov

Probably the TV station means the Download.Ject trojan (the "IIS 5 Web
Server Compromise" on the US-CERT site); that malware relies on known
vulnerabilities with existing patches. But I'm only guessing, as the CTV,
the canadian TV station that inspired Mr. (Mrs. ?) LIVE n Active CULTURES
to start this thread, doesn't supply meaningful information that helps me to
identify what they are talking about and if my systems are facing new
threat.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

"Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:eq6W3ixWEHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I, for one, ask you to provide us with documentation that it's a "lie"
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Pepper Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Omn%2368wWEHA.1356@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | It's a lie.
> |
> | --
> | Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> | -= F1 is the key =-
> |
> | "LIVE n Active CULTURES" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> | message news:2167701c45ae9$fea62e40$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> | > Web Virus May Be Stealing Financial Data
> |
> | > April, BUT THE THIRD FLAW WAS NEWLY DISCOVERED AND HAD NO
> | > PATCH TO FIX IT YET.
> |
> |
>
>



Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT by Sandi

Sandi
Sat Jun 26 04:41:53 CDT 2004

More info, less hype:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/download_ject.mspx

--
Hyperlinks are used to ensure advice remains current
_______________________________________
Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE)
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/



LIVE n Active CULTURES wrote:
> Web Virus May Be Stealing Financial Data
>
> Jun 25, 1:52 PM (ET)
>
> By ANICK JESDANUN
>
> NEW YORK (AP) - A mysterious Internet virus being spread
> Friday by hundreds and possibly thousands of infected Web
> sites may be aimed at stealing credit card and other
> valuable information, security experts warned.
>
> The infection appears to take advantage of three separate
> flaws with Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) products. Microsoft said
> software updates to fix two of them had been released in
> April, BUT THE THIRD FLAW WAS NEWLY DISCOVERED AND HAD NO
> PATCH TO FIX IT YET.
>
> Experts said the infection, detected by Microsoft on
> Thursday, was unusually broad but wasn't substantially
> interfering with Internet traffic.
>
> Security experts at Microsoft and elsewhere worked Friday
> to pin down how the infection spreads across Web sites. It
> appears to target at least one recent version of Microsoft
> software for operating Web sites - called Internet
> Information Server.
>
> The infection makes subtle changes to the Web site so
> visitors get a piece of code that's designed to retrieve
> from a Russian Web site software that records a person's
> keystrokes and can send data back, experts say. Such
> software "Trojan horses" are routinely used to fish for
> credit card numbers, bank accounts, passwords and the like.
>
> Now that the code is out, other hackers are likely to
> adapt it to distribute software for spamming and for
> launching broad Internet attacks against popular Web
> sites, said Alfred Huger, senior director of engineering
> at security company Symantec Corp. (SYMC)
>
> "Users should be aware that any Web site, even those that
> may be trusted by the user, may be affected by this
> activity and thus contain potentially malicious code," the
> U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team warned in an
> Internet alert.
>
> Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at Microsoft,
> recommended that computer owners obtain the latest
> security updates for Microsoft products and their anti-
> virus and firewall programs.
>
> Because one flaw has yet to be fixed, he said, users
> should also turn up security settings on Microsoft's
> Internet Explorer browsers to the highest levels.
>
> Security experts noted that users can avoid the exploit by
> using alternative browsers such as Mozilla and Opera.
> Users could also turn off the "Javascript" feature on
> their Microsoft browsers, though doing so cripple
> functions on some sites.
>
> The infection does not affect Macintosh versions of
> Internet Explorer.

Re: Not a lie or hoax by g-w

g-w
Sat Jun 26 06:56:05 CDT 2004

LIVE n Active CULTURES wrote:
> It's not a lie or hoax. Know your facts before you post
> your messages.
>
> You need proof? Go to
> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1088193
> 986871_4/?hub=CTVNewsAt11
>
> or
>
> http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/06/25/ap1434413.ht
> ml
>
> Or, just go to your own search engine and type in "web
> virus may steal valuable data"
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>It's a lie.
>>
>>--
>>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>>-= F1 is the key =-

If the Forbes article is correct I am glad I use Mozilla :-)

g-w

Re: Not a lie or hoax by S

S
Sat Jun 26 07:56:30 CDT 2004

My download of the Forbes page is stuck on getting something from
ad.doubleclick.net - but I wouldn't say that Forbes is a credible resource
for security alerts. It is unparalleled in luxury goods and services ads and
praising CEOs though. I'd much rather prefer to turn to The Economist for
the advice.

Mozilla is not a bad choice.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

"g-w" <zz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pvdDc.140114$Gx4.778@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> LIVE n Active CULTURES wrote:
> > It's not a lie or hoax. Know your facts before you post
> > your messages.
> >
> > You need proof? Go to
> > http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1088193
> > 986871_4/?hub=CTVNewsAt11
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/06/25/ap1434413.ht
> > ml
> >
> > Or, just go to your own search engine and type in "web
> > virus may steal valuable data"
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>It's a lie.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> >>-= F1 is the key =-
>
> If the Forbes article is correct I am glad I use Mozilla :-)
>
> g-w



Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT by LIVE

LIVE
Sat Jun 26 13:16:39 CDT 2004

"Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at
Microsoft, said software updates to fix two of them were
released in April, but the third flaw was just discovered,
so Microsoft has no patch available yet."

This paragraph comes from http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-
bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/26/BUGND7CI841.DTL

>-----Original Message-----
>Documentation, huh?
>Mass circulation of a trojan that mounts on fully
patched and secured
>systems - that doesn't happen.
>
>Sources mentioned by the canadian TV:
>
>Microsoft security incident information -
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/default.mspx
>
>US CERT - http://www.us-cert.gov
>
>Probably the TV station means the Download.Ject trojan
(the "IIS 5 Web
>Server Compromise" on the US-CERT site); that malware
relies on known
>vulnerabilities with existing patches. But I'm only
guessing, as the CTV,
>the canadian TV station that inspired Mr. (Mrs. ?) LIVE
n Active CULTURES
>to start this thread, doesn't supply meaningful
information that helps me to
>identify what they are talking about and if my systems
are facing new
>threat.
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-

THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT2 by LIVE

LIVE
Sat Jun 26 13:18:37 CDT 2004

The following information is not included at
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/download_ject.ms
px or if it is, it's hard to find it.

"Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at
Microsoft, said software updates to fix two of them were
released in April, but the third flaw was just discovered,
so Microsoft has no patch available yet."

This paragraph comes from http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-
bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/26/BUGND7CI841.DTL

>-----Original Message-----
>More info, less hype:
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/download_ject.m
spx
>
>>Sandi

They are credible, you are not by anonymous

anonymous
Sat Jun 26 13:25:43 CDT 2004

Forbes is a credible source, as are the other websites and
newspapers (source is mostly Associated Press) reporting
about this; stop spreading lies with ridiculous messages.

As for ad.doubleclick.net, you're smart enough to know (at
least you should be) about cookies, pop-ups, ads, etc. to
justify doubleclick.net's existence. Everyone has to get
paid, but this is a subject matter for another message
forum, I suppose.

>-----Original Message-----
>My download of the Forbes page is stuck on getting
something from
>ad.doubleclick.net - but I wouldn't say that Forbes is a
credible resource
>for security alerts. It is unparalleled in luxury goods
and services ads and
>praising CEOs though. I'd much rather prefer to turn to
The Economist for
>the advice.
>
>Mozilla is not a bad choice.
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-
>
>"g-w" <zz@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:pvdDc.140114$Gx4.778@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> LIVE n Active CULTURES wrote:
>> > It's not a lie or hoax. Know your facts before you
post
>> > your messages.
>> >
>> > You need proof? Go to
>> >
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1088193
>> > 986871_4/?hub=CTVNewsAt11
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> >
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/06/25/ap1434413.ht
>> > ml
>> >
>> > Or, just go to your own search engine and type in "web
>> > virus may steal valuable data"
>> >
>> >
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>It's a lie.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>> >>-= F1 is the key =-
>>
>> If the Forbes article is correct I am glad I use
Mozilla :-)
>>
>> g-w
>
>
>.
>

Thank 4 nothin Microissoft by MVP

MVP
Sat Jun 26 13:29:40 CDT 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>More info, less hype:
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/download_ject.m
spx

lol, of course Microsoft has to downplay it! of course
they don't mention what the other news articles state
(with sources FROM Microsoft), that this "latest Internet
attack, discovered by Microsoft Corp. on Thursday, appears
to take advantage of three separate flaws in Microsoft
products. Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at
Microsoft, said software updates to fix two of them were
released in April, but the third flaw was just discovered,
so Microsoft has no patch available yet."

Microsoft themselves have suggested putting internet zone
security to "high" (lol but then it's IMPOSSIBLE to go
online like that, nothing works properly if everything is
disabled!!!)





HA by LIVE

LIVE
Sat Jun 26 13:34:12 CDT 2004

LOLOLOL, thank God for Mozilla, and Linux, and et cetera,
et cetera...

>-----Original Message-----
>If the Forbes article is correct I am glad I use
Mozilla :-)
>
>g-w


Re: They are credible, you are not by S

S
Sat Jun 26 19:16:38 CDT 2004

Dear Mr./Mrs. Anonymous:

> about this; stop spreading lies with ridiculous messages.

That was exactly my point.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-



Re: They are credible, you are not by anonymous

anonymous
Sat Jun 26 20:16:35 CDT 2004

how did a troll like you become an MVP?


>-----Original Message-----
>Dear Mr./Mrs. Anonymous:
>
>> about this; stop spreading lies with ridiculous
messages.
>
>That was exactly my point.
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-
>
>
>.
>

Re: They are credible, you are not by Jeremy

Jeremy
Sat Jun 26 20:28:09 CDT 2004

What exactly IS your point? You are posting meaningless
messages. Why do you dispute original poster's message?
It's all over the internet; this is a real threat. What do
you find about it that is a lie?

If you are going to post messages that serve no purpose,
don't bother posting at all. Back up what you write in
your messages with concrete facts and/or educated opinions.

>-----Original Message-----
>Dear Mr./Mrs. Anonymous:
>
>> about this; stop spreading lies with ridiculous
messages.
>
>That was exactly my point.
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-
>
>
>.
>

Re: They are credible, you are not by S

S
Sat Jun 26 20:39:33 CDT 2004

Yes, I do dispute the original poster's message. It contained no facts.
During the discussion, I have provided links to the facts - and the links to
US-CERT and Microsoft were not meaningless: there were no vulnerabilities
used by this new trojan for which there's no fix. As easy as that.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

"Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs33@dtr.com> wrote in message
news:21bad01c45be6$01118e70$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> What exactly IS your point? You are posting meaningless
> messages. Why do you dispute original poster's message?
> It's all over the internet; this is a real threat. What do
> you find about it that is a lie?
>
> If you are going to post messages that serve no purpose,
> don't bother posting at all. Back up what you write in
> your messages with concrete facts and/or educated opinions.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Dear Mr./Mrs. Anonymous:
> >
> >> about this; stop spreading lies with ridiculous
> messages.
> >
> >That was exactly my point.
> >
> >--
> >Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> >-= F1 is the key =-
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: They are credible, you are not by S

S
Sat Jun 26 20:41:23 CDT 2004

By not being a troll in first place. When I inform my peers in community
forums about new threats, I take my time to collect accurate information and
provide information about applicable security controls.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:21e9801c45be4$637ca240$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> how did a troll like you become an MVP?
>



Re: They are credible, you are not by Jeremy

Jeremy
Sat Jun 26 22:17:19 CDT 2004

Original poster's message is taken from a news report on a
website that can be found everywhere (with different
wording, of course, depending on where you go).

Original poster didn't grab this out of thin air, nor did
she/he write it themself. She/he simply posted the news
report verbatim. (Sorry, you'll have to look up "verbatim"
in your Webster's dictionary if you don't know what it
means.)

This Trojan exploits three security flaws; Microsoft
issued patches for two of those security flaws, but NOT
FOR THE THIRD. As easy as that! Why ELSE has Microsoft
recommended to everyone right NOW to set their zone to the
highest possible setting? (Besides the ridiculous registry
changing and the canned response they have for every
security flaw: "Get patched up/get your updates!")

Explain these, Mr. MVP: Where is the third patch? And why
has Microsoft recommended that everyone set security
to "high" if no vulnerabilities exist because of
alleged "fixes/patches"?

>-----Original Message-----
>Yes, I do dispute the original poster's message. It
contained no facts.
>During the discussion, I have provided links to the
facts - and the links to
>US-CERT and Microsoft were not meaningless: there were no
vulnerabilities
>used by this new trojan for which there's no fix. As easy
as that.
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-
>
>"Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs33@dtr.com> wrote in message
>news:21bad01c45be6$01118e70$a301280a@phx.gbl...
>> What exactly IS your point? You are posting meaningless
>> messages. Why do you dispute original poster's message?
>> It's all over the internet; this is a real threat. What
do
>> you find about it that is a lie?
>>
>> If you are going to post messages that serve no purpose,
>> don't bother posting at all. Back up what you write in
>> your messages with concrete facts and/or educated
opinions.
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Dear Mr./Mrs. Anonymous:
>> >
>> >> about this; stop spreading lies with ridiculous
>> messages.
>> >
>> >That was exactly my point.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>> >-= F1 is the key =-
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT2 by Sandi

Sandi
Sat Jun 26 23:31:32 CDT 2004

"LIVE n Active CULTURES" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:220c901c45baa$0039c350$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> The following information is not included at
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/download_ject.ms
> px or if it is, it's hard to find it.
>
> "Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at
> Microsoft, said software updates to fix two of them were
> released in April, but the third flaw was just discovered,
> so Microsoft has no patch available yet."

XP SP2 is not affected by the vulnerability, therefore the vulnerability has
been addressed. This wouldn't be the first time at Microsoft that the left
hand hasn't known what the right hand is doing.

--
_______________________________________
Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE)
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org


Hmm by Jeremy

Jeremy
Sat Jun 26 23:52:06 CDT 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>XP SP2 is not affected by the vulnerability, therefore
>the vulnerability has been addressed.

What are you talking about? So what if Windows XP isn't
affected? There are people who DON'T use Windows XP; to
say the vulnerability has been addressed because it
doesn't affect XP is suppose to be your answer?

Again, Stephen Toulouse (security program manager at
Microsoft) said software updates to fix two of the known
flaws were released in April, but the THIRD FLAW WAS JUST
DISCOVERED SO MICROSOFT HAS NO PATCH YET. Doesn't sound to
me that the vulnerability has been addressed!

I guess users on this planet should not believe the
numerous reports of this online because Sandy, an MVP
stooge, says everything is great and the vulnerability has
been addressed and we have NOTHING to worry about! Wow, so
many websites must be WRONG and Sandy the MVP Stooge HAS
to be 100% right on this!

Hmm, I wonder why we are being told to set the zone
to "high" if Sandy the MVP Stooge says the vulnerability
has been addressed!!!

You wrote: "This wouldn't be the first time at Microsoft
that the left hand hasn't known what the right hand is
doing." ROTFLMAO! The left hand doesn't know what the
right hand is doing if they are still scrambling to get
the patch for the third flaw up on the windowsupdate.com
website!!!!

Re: THANX 4 NOTHIN MICROISSOFT2 by anlLlllL_lLalL_chris

anlLlllL_lLalL_chris
Sun Jun 27 00:02:54 CDT 2004

HEY SANDI, WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

ANICK JESDANUN (Associated Press): The [Scob] infection ,
first discovered by Microsoft Corp. on Thursday, appears
to TAKE ADVANTAGE of THREE separate flaws with Microsoft
products and can be difficult to detect.

Stephen Toulouse, a SECURITY PROGRAM MANAGER AT Microsoft,
said software updates to fix two of them HAD been released
in April, but the third flaw was newly discovered and HAD
NO PATCH AVAILABLE YET.

He recommended that computer owners obtain the latest
security updates for Microsoft products and their anti-
virus and firewall programs. FOR THE FLAW THAT LACKS A
PATCH, he said, USERS SHOULD ALSO turn up security
settings on Microsoft's Internet Explorer browsers to the
highest levels.

Users could also turn off the "JavaScript" feature on
their Microsoft browsers, though doing so could cripple
functions on some sites.

The virus DOES NOT AFFECT Macintosh versions of Internet
Explorer, nor does it spread through non-Microsoft
browsers like Mozilla and Opera.

>-----Original Message-----
>XP SP2 is not affected by the vulnerability, therefore
>the vulnerability has been addressed. This wouldn't be
>the first time at Microsoft that the left hand hasn't
>known what the right hand is doing.
>_______________________________________
>Sandi

Re: They are credible, you are not by S

S
Sun Jun 27 07:45:57 CDT 2004

> And why
> has Microsoft recommended that everyone set security
> to "high" if no vulnerabilities exist because of
> alleged "fixes/patches"?
>

Better be safe than sorry - that is why. Multiple security controls are
better than one.


--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-



Re: Hmm by jeff

jeff
Sun Jun 27 15:39:11 CDT 2004

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:52:06 -0700, "Jeremy Signol"
<jeremycs33@dtr.com> wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>XP SP2 is not affected by the vulnerability, therefore
>>the vulnerability has been addressed.
>
>What are you talking about? So what if Windows XP isn't
>affected? There are people who DON'T use Windows XP; to
>say the vulnerability has been addressed because it
>doesn't affect XP is suppose to be your answer?

There are people who don't use Internet Expolorer, who don't use
Windows and who don't browse the internet. Stop being an ass.

>I guess users on this planet should not believe the
>numerous reports of this online because Sandy, an MVP
>stooge, says everything is great and the vulnerability has
>been addressed and we have NOTHING to worry about! Wow, so
>many websites must be WRONG and Sandy the MVP Stooge HAS
>to be 100% right on this!

Have you personally been affected?

Jeff

Re: They are credible, you are not by Jeremy

Jeremy
Wed Jun 30 20:44:00 CDT 2004

Your answer makes no sense. If you put security to "high,"
browsing the internet becomes annoying as many sites will
not be seen "correctly." This thing is exploiting three
security flaws; Microsoft issued patches for two of those
security flaws, but NOT FOR THE THIRD. Microsoft has said
to put it to "high" because that third patch isn't
available.

Your credibility is shot; you should hand in your tin foil
MVP badge.

>-----Original Ridiculous Message-----
>> And why
>> has Microsoft recommended that everyone set security
>> to "high" if no vulnerabilities exist because of
>> alleged "fixes/patches"?
>>
>
>Better be safe than sorry - that is why. Multiple
security controls are
>better than one.
>
>
>--
>Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
>-= F1 is the key =-
>
>
>.
>

Read closely and stop making dumb arguments by Jeremy

Jeremy
Wed Jun 30 20:55:54 CDT 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>There are people who don't use Internet Expolorer, who
>don't use Windows and who don't browse the internet.

And your point is? That's your logic, that not everyone is
affected so we don't have to worry about this? The
infection takes ADVANTAGE of THREE separate flaws with
Microsoft products. To those who use IE, Windows, etc.,
this is relevant. I don't care if XP users aren't
affected, or people who don't use IE or Windows isn't
affected; the point is, there are those who are at risk.
You and Sandi are making up some dumb arguments; don't be
an ass!

>Have you personally been affected?

Oh, so because I personally was or was not affected, this
proves to you what? One person getting or not getting
affected determines if this is a real threat or not? Shut
up!
___________________________________________________________
ANICK JESDANUN (Associated Press): The [Scob] infection,
first discovered by Microsoft Corp. on Thursday, appears
to TAKE ADVANTAGE of THREE separate flaws with Microsoft
products and can be difficult to detect.

Stephen Toulouse, a SECURITY PROGRAM MANAGER AT Microsoft,
said software updates to fix two of them HAD been released
in April, but the third flaw was newly discovered and HAD
NO PATCH AVAILABLE YET.

He recommended that computer owners obtain the latest
security updates for Microsoft products and their anti-
virus and firewall programs. FOR THE FLAW THAT LACKS A
PATCH, he said, USERS SHOULD ALSO turn up security
settings on Microsoft's Internet Explorer browsers to the
highest levels.

Re: They are credible, you are not by S

S
Thu Jul 01 05:04:29 CDT 2004

Well, my answer does make sense. Not being an expert in client technologies,
but following the principle that I have outlined below - better be safe than
sorry - I took my time a while ago and configured my systems in a way that
makes them not susceptible to Download.Ject: I have only small selection of
sites with enabled scripting and cookies, and I run IE in guest user
security context. I work as a local administrator - I urge other people not
to do that unless they do... local administration... all the time.

To the point: Microsoft recommends to increase the security level for the
Local Machine zone, that generally doesn't include any of the Internet
sites, so those won't be affected by the change.

And if you want my badge - you can have it.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-



"Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs33@ctr.com> wrote in message
news:23e7101c45f0c$e1f48040$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> Your answer makes no sense. If you put security to "high,"
> browsing the internet becomes annoying as many sites will
> not be seen "correctly." This thing is exploiting three
> security flaws; Microsoft issued patches for two of those
> security flaws, but NOT FOR THE THIRD. Microsoft has said
> to put it to "high" because that third patch isn't
> available.
>
> Your credibility is shot; you should hand in your tin foil
> MVP badge.
>
> >-----Original Ridiculous Message-----
> >> And why
> >> has Microsoft recommended that everyone set security
> >> to "high" if no vulnerabilities exist because of
> >> alleged "fixes/patches"?
> >>
> >
> >Better be safe than sorry - that is why. Multiple
> security controls are
> >better than one.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> >-= F1 is the key =-
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: They are credible, you are not by Tom

Tom
Thu Jul 01 07:53:40 CDT 2004

According to Microsoft, they say to set the Internet security settings to
High.

http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/settings.mspx#XSLTsection125121120120

There's nothing on their page about Local Machine Settings. In fact, I
can't find anything on my options that says local machine.

Could you please clarify?

Thanks,
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eqa9PL1XEHA.2972@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Well, my answer does make sense. Not being an expert in client
technologies,
> but following the principle that I have outlined below - better be safe
than
> sorry - I took my time a while ago and configured my systems in a way that
> makes them not susceptible to Download.Ject: I have only small selection
of
> sites with enabled scripting and cookies, and I run IE in guest user
> security context. I work as a local administrator - I urge other people
not
> to do that unless they do... local administration... all the time.
>
> To the point: Microsoft recommends to increase the security level for the
> Local Machine zone, that generally doesn't include any of the Internet
> sites, so those won't be affected by the change.
>
> And if you want my badge - you can have it.
>
> --
> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> -= F1 is the key =-
>
>
>
> "Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs33@ctr.com> wrote in message
> news:23e7101c45f0c$e1f48040$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> > Your answer makes no sense. If you put security to "high,"
> > browsing the internet becomes annoying as many sites will
> > not be seen "correctly." This thing is exploiting three
> > security flaws; Microsoft issued patches for two of those
> > security flaws, but NOT FOR THE THIRD. Microsoft has said
> > to put it to "high" because that third patch isn't
> > available.
> >
> > Your credibility is shot; you should hand in your tin foil
> > MVP badge.
> >
> > >-----Original Ridiculous Message-----
> > >> And why
> > >> has Microsoft recommended that everyone set security
> > >> to "high" if no vulnerabilities exist because of
> > >> alleged "fixes/patches"?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Better be safe than sorry - that is why. Multiple
> > security controls are
> > >better than one.
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> > >-= F1 is the key =-
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>



Re: They are credible, you are not by hari

hari
Thu Jul 01 09:44:58 CDT 2004

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;833633



"Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uishxp2XEHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> According to Microsoft, they say to set the Internet security settings to
> High.
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/settings.mspx#XSLTsection125121120120
>
> There's nothing on their page about Local Machine Settings. In fact, I
> can't find anything on my options that says local machine.
>
> Could you please clarify?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Pepper Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eqa9PL1XEHA.2972@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Well, my answer does make sense. Not being an expert in client
> technologies,
> > but following the principle that I have outlined below - better be safe
> than
> > sorry - I took my time a while ago and configured my systems in a way
that
> > makes them not susceptible to Download.Ject: I have only small selection
> of
> > sites with enabled scripting and cookies, and I run IE in guest user
> > security context. I work as a local administrator - I urge other people
> not
> > to do that unless they do... local administration... all the time.
> >
> > To the point: Microsoft recommends to increase the security level for
the
> > Local Machine zone, that generally doesn't include any of the Internet
> > sites, so those won't be affected by the change.
> >
> > And if you want my badge - you can have it.
> >
> > --
> > Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> > -= F1 is the key =-
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs33@ctr.com> wrote in message
> > news:23e7101c45f0c$e1f48040$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> > > Your answer makes no sense. If you put security to "high,"
> > > browsing the internet becomes annoying as many sites will
> > > not be seen "correctly." This thing is exploiting three
> > > security flaws; Microsoft issued patches for two of those
> > > security flaws, but NOT FOR THE THIRD. Microsoft has said
> > > to put it to "high" because that third patch isn't
> > > available.
> > >
> > > Your credibility is shot; you should hand in your tin foil
> > > MVP badge.
> > >
> > > >-----Original Ridiculous Message-----
> > > >> And why
> > > >> has Microsoft recommended that everyone set security
> > > >> to "high" if no vulnerabilities exist because of
> > > >> alleged "fixes/patches"?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Better be safe than sorry - that is why. Multiple
> > > security controls are
> > > >better than one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> > > >-= F1 is the key =-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Read closely and stop making dumb arguments by jeff

jeff
Thu Jul 01 12:57:50 CDT 2004

>You and Sandi are making up some dumb arguments; don't be
>an ass!

Okay, here's the deal. There is currently a flaw in Internet
Explorer. It currently has no patch. If you choose to mitigate the
possibility of this flaw being exploited on your system, until there
is a patch available, the suggested precautions are to disable ActiveX
and scripting.

Now, what about that is making you whine?

Jeff

THEY are credible, YOU are NOT by Jeremy

Jeremy
Sat Jul 03 11:46:31 CDT 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>Well, my answer does make sense. [blah blah
>blah] ...following the principle that I have outlined
>below...[blah blah blah]...I took my time...and
>configured my systems in a way that makes them not
>susceptible to Download.Ject: I have only small
>selection of sites with enabled scripting and cookies,
>and I run IE in guest user security context.

Now you really are trolling to your heart's content.

You posted a while ago that this security alert was "a
lie." Original poster posted it for everyone's benefit,
yet you took time to try to discredit the whole thing.
You're an idiot just for that. This isn't a debate or
contingent on your useless opinion; the article was found
on many different websites, written with different wording
from many different writers, and backed up with many
different credible sources (INCLUDING Microsoft).

Then, you said it "I wouldn't say that Forbes is a
credible resource for security alerts." I would trust the
Enquirer before I trusted anything you wrote or said.

You DO not make sense! Wait, you do...you are TROLLING
AWAY! You keep implying that this security alert is bogus,
and for that, your credibility is a fat zero.

0<-----you!

You say now that you configured your system in a way that
makes them immune to the Download.Ject; SO WHAT? What's
your point?

This is still a security threat to many people. JUST
BECAUSE it isn't to you personally, doesn't mean it is
a "lie."

Another genuis MVP stooge said it doesn't affect XP users;
so WHAT? Every PC user on this planet uses XP now? We
don't have to worry about this thing based on THAT logic?
Idiot.

Someone else posted that it won't affect those that don't
use Internet Explorer (said by yet another idiot); some
other idiot suggested that just getting updates from
windowsupdate.com will keep you safe. (TO THIS DAY, there
is NO patch for that third flaw this infection exploits,
although yesterday Microsoft issued an update that changes
settings in Windows operating systems to disable hackers'
ability to deliver malicious code with it, ALTHOUGH IT
DOES NOT entirely fix the flaw that makes the spread
possible).

Stop making this security issue nothing when it's
something! Stop your trolling already!

>And if you want my badge - you can have it.

KEEP your $1.00 badge; I don't want it.
________________________________________________
Microsoft Releases Security Update


Jul 2, 6:45 PM (ET)

By ANICK JESDANUN

(Associated Press) - Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) issued an
interim security update Friday to protect users of its
nearly ubiquitous Internet Explorer browsers from a new
technique for spreading viruses.

The update does not entirely fix the flaw that makes the
spread possible, but it changes settings in Windows
operating systems to disable hackers' ability to deliver
malicious code with it.

The security measure came in response to last week's
discovery of a computer virus designed to steal valuable
information like passwords. Though its outbreak was mild,
security experts said the technique for spreading it was
novel and could be used to send spam or launch broad
attacks to cripple the Internet.

Hackers had converted hundreds and possibly thousands of
Web sites into virus transmitters by first hiding
malicious code using a vulnerability with Microsoft's
software for operating Web sites. A fix for it had been
issued in April but was not universally applied.

Two other flaws in Microsoft products allowed hackers to
direct Internet Explorer browsers to automatically run the
virus when visiting an infected site.

Though one of those flaws remains unfixed, Friday's
setting changes thwart any attack by prohibiting a Web
application from writing files - such as the virus code -
onto users' computers.

The U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team urged computer
users to install the update, saying it would greatly
increase protection. But the advisory warned other types
of attack remain possible.

Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at Microsoft,
said the company still was working on a comprehensive
patch to fix vulnerabilities with Internet Explorer, but
the settings change should protect users from the
immediate threat.

The software update covers Windows XP, Windows Server 2003
and Windows 2000, and Microsoft was working on ones for
older systems.

The update will also be included with a major Windows XP
upgrade, called Service Pack 2, later this summer.
Toulouse said the Service Pack will include additional
protections.

After installing Friday's update, users should be able to
lower their security settings from the "high" one
initially recommended as a stopgap, he said.

Russ Cooper, a senior researcher at TruSecure Corp.,
welcomed Friday's update, but said it should have come
sooner than a week.

"It would have taken a couple of hours to put it together
as a package, and (the testing) process can take a day or
two," Cooper said.

But Toulouse said that given the broad user base for
Windows and Internet Explorer, even a problem affecting
less than 1 percent of users potentially hurts millions of
customers.

He said the settings could potentially affect legitimate
applications used internally by Web developers and
corporate networks, and special instructions were
available to address those cases.

The update will be automatically installed if computers
are set to receive it. It is also available
at .http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com

Microsoft shares fell 6 cents to close at $28.57 Friday on
the Nasdaq Stock Market.

Stop making dumb arguments by Jeremy

Jeremy
Sat Jul 03 11:54:14 CDT 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>Okay, here's the deal. There is currently a flaw in
>Internet Explorer. It currently has no patch. If you
>choose to mitigate the possibility of this flaw being
>exploited on your system, until there is a patch
>available, the suggested precautions are to disable
>ActiveX and scripting.

Ah, first you said, "There are people who don't use
Internet Explorer, who don't use Windows and who don't
browse the internet." I showed that this was a dumb and
pointless statement on your part, and since you couldn't
refute that, you now agree with me by repeating what I
said ealier about the flaw. GOOD job, little troll! Run
along now!

>Now, what about that is making you whine?

I don't know, what ABOUT this is making you, MVP Stooge #1
Sandi, and that other stooge S. Pidgorney whine?

Another question for another thread, I suppose.
______________________________________________
Microsoft Releases Security Update

Jul 2, 6:45 PM (ET)

By ANICK JESDANUN

(AP) Microsoft founder Bill Gates answers questions while
demonstrating a Tablet PC to students during a...
Full Image

(AP) - Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) issued an interim security
update Friday to protect users of its nearly ubiquitous
Internet Explorer browsers from a new technique for
spreading viruses.

The update does not entirely fix the flaw that makes the
spread possible, but it changes settings in Windows
operating systems to disable hackers' ability to deliver
malicious code with it.

The security measure came in response to last week's
discovery of a computer virus designed to steal valuable
information like passwords. Though its outbreak was mild,
security experts said the technique for spreading it was
novel and could be used to send spam or launch broad
attacks to cripple the Internet.

Hackers had converted hundreds and possibly thousands of
Web sites into virus transmitters by first hiding
malicious code using a vulnerability with Microsoft's
software for operating Web sites. A fix for it had been
issued in April but was not universally applied.

Two other flaws in Microsoft products allowed hackers to
direct Internet Explorer browsers to automatically run the
virus when visiting an infected site.

Though one of those flaws remains unfixed, Friday's
setting changes thwart any attack by prohibiting a Web
application from writing files - such as the virus code -
onto users' computers.

The U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team urged computer
users to install the update, saying it would greatly
increase protection. But the advisory warned other types
of attack remain possible.

Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at Microsoft,
said the company still was working on a comprehensive
patch to fix vulnerabilities with Internet Explorer, but
the settings change should protect users from the
immediate threat.

The software update covers Windows XP, Windows Server 2003
and Windows 2000, and Microsoft was working on ones for
older systems.

The update will also be included with a major Windows XP
upgrade, called Service Pack 2, later this summer.
Toulouse said the Service Pack will include additional
protections.

After installing Friday's update, users should be able to
lower their security settings from the "high" one
initially recommended as a stopgap, he said.

Russ Cooper, a senior researcher at TruSecure Corp.,
welcomed Friday's update, but said it should have come
sooner than a week.

"It would have taken a couple of hours to put it together
as a package, and (the testing) process can take a day or
two," Cooper said.

But Toulouse said that given the broad user base for
Windows and Internet Explorer, even a problem affecting
less than 1 percent of users potentially hurts millions of
customers.

He said the settings could potentially affect legitimate
applications used internally by Web developers and
corporate networks, and special instructions were
available to address those cases.

The update will be automatically installed if computers
are set to receive it. It is also available
at .http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com

Microsoft shares fell 6 cents to close at $28.57 Friday on
the Nasdaq Stock Market.

Re: THEY are credible, YOU are NOT by S

S
Sat Jul 03 18:23:40 CDT 2004

The lie was that there is no fix for the vulnerabilities used by
download.ject. That was not true on the date of the original posting.

"Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs@dtr.com> wrote in message
news:25c4501c4611d$4b4b7a00$a501280a@phx.gbl...

> 0<-----you!

I see no point in continuing the discussion. Learn netiquette.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-



oh by Jeremy

Jeremy
Sat Jul 03 20:55:02 CDT 2004

You said "it's" a lie, with no explanation, as if to
say, "There was no security threat whatsoever" or, "This
article is a hoax." Also, you said Forbes was not
credible, or suggested all the articles written and posted
on the Web were false.

The point of the original posting was, three security
flaws were being exploited, and two had patches, with the
third not having any patch, so yes, there was no fix for
the vulnerabilities, unless you think two-out-of-three is
a great percentage!

Down the line, SOMETHING will exploit that third flaw
until Microsoft does something about it! There is no fix
as I write this, only a workaround from Microsoft
(yesterday's update).

Stop your annoying trolling. To you, there is nothing to
worry about. Too bad Microsoft and others think
differently.

Now RUN ALONG...troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down
the stream... merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, your
life is just a ream...

>-----Original Worthless Message-----
>The lie was that there is no fix for the vulnerabilities
>used by download.ject. That was not true on the date of
>the original posting.

Re: oh by S

S
Sun Jul 04 05:11:17 CDT 2004

Inline:

"Jeremy Signol" <jeremycs33@dtr.com> wrote in message
news:25e7501c46169$ebbb7d90$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> You said "it's" a lie, with no explanation, as if to
> say, "There was no security threat whatsoever" or, "This
> article is a hoax." Also, you said Forbes was not
> credible, or suggested all the articles written and posted
> on the Web were false.

Lie: A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
No fix: a lie. At the time of the original posting, there was a workaround
(that is still better than yesterday's hotfix, in my opinion), that allowed
clients to be safe from the download.ject. The server vulnerability used for
download.ject was fixed a while ago.

Re. Forbes - the information given didn't give any information about the
actual facts behind the laters Internet scare. If you remember, I have
posted a link to the facts in the very beginning of the discussion, Sandi
did the same at the same time with me.

> The point of the original posting was, three security
> flaws were being exploited, and two had patches, with the
> third not having any patch, so yes, there was no fix for
> the vulnerabilities, unless you think two-out-of-three is
> a great percentage!

Well, properly locked down systems seldom need urgent patches. Mine happen
to be of that kind. A classic example: CodeRed utilised a vulnerability for
which a patch existed, but proper server configuration prevented infection.

> Stop your annoying trolling. To you, there is nothing to
> worry about. Too bad Microsoft and others think
> differently.
>
> Now RUN ALONG...troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down
> the stream... merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, your
> life is just a ream...

One of us is a troll, that's for sure. You are a miserable looser. Over.


--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-



Re: oh by LuckyStrike

LuckyStrike
Sun Jul 04 13:27:01 CDT 2004

Hey Slav, you've put waaaay too much effort into this thread already.... I'm
surprised you haven't "nul/dev/void" by now...or a least offered a good
*plonk* or something <bg>.

Have a safe and happy 4th Slav.
--

LuckyStrike ;-)
LS@smokedamagedfurniture.youcandriveitawaytoday.com

How to make a good newsgroup post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/post.html
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"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Inline:
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Over and out by Jeremy

Jeremy
Mon Jul 05 16:22:21 CDT 2004

>One of us is a troll, that's for sure. You are a=20
>miserable looser. Over.

You might want to pick up your "American Heritage=AE=20
Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition,=20
Copyright =A9 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company", because the=20
last time I checked, it was spelled "loser," LOSER!

Didn't you say you saw "no point in continuing the=20
discussion"? THANK YOU for taking time out from your=20
family on July 4 just to write back, though...TROLL,=20
TROLL, troll your boat, gently down the stream... merrily,=20
merrily, merrily, merrily, your life is just a ream...