I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to replicate
the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I setup a
member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going to be my
replica standalone root CA.

The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services the
options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available but when
I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they where not
available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if PKI wasnt
confusing enough.

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Paul

Paul
Mon Sep 01 22:19:37 CDT 2008

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:

> I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to replicate
> the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I setup a
> member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going to be my
> replica standalone root CA.
>
> The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services the
> options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available but when
> I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they where not
> available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
> isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if PKI wasnt
> confusing enough.

The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin account.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Your password is pitifully obvious.

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Gunna

Gunna
Mon Sep 01 22:58:00 CDT 2008

Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a question
for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run Enterprise
CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition server?


And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as a
member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to select
Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the Domain
Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active Directory?


"Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
>
> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to replicate
> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I setup a
> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going to be my
> > replica standalone root CA.
> >
> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services the
> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available but when
> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they where not
> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if PKI wasnt
> > confusing enough.
>
> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin account.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> http://www.identit.ca
> Your password is pitifully obvious.
>

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Brian

Brian
Tue Sep 02 07:32:51 CDT 2008

Gunna,
In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise Admins
group (either directly or through a group nesting).
- You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data Center
edition SKUs
- To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data Center
SKUs
Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
archival,
Brian

"Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
> question
> for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
> Enterprise
> CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
> running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition server?
>
>
> And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as a
> member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to select
> Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
> Domain
> Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active Directory?
>
>
> "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
>>
>> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
>> > replicate
>> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I setup
>> > a
>> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going to
>> > be my
>> > replica standalone root CA.
>> >
>> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services the
>> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available but
>> > when
>> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they
>> > where not
>> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
>> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if PKI
>> > wasnt
>> > confusing enough.
>>
>> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
>> account.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Adare
>> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
>> http://www.identit.ca
>> Your password is pitifully obvious.
>>


Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Gunna

Gunna
Thu Sep 04 00:36:06 CDT 2008

Brian,

Found some conflicting things. Firstly as you have already said you need to
be an Enterprise admin to install an Enterprise Root CA and if you refer to
this article http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc776709.aspx is says
the same.

However,

I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain controller
and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd machine
as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain membership
was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got the
Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both the
Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or issues.
So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?

"Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:

> Gunna,
> In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise Admins
> group (either directly or through a group nesting).
> - You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data Center
> edition SKUs
> - To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data Center
> SKUs
> Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
> archival,
> Brian
>
> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
> > question
> > for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
> > Enterprise
> > CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
> > running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition server?
> >
> >
> > And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as a
> > member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to select
> > Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
> > Domain
> > Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active Directory?
> >
> >
> > "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
> >> > replicate
> >> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I setup
> >> > a
> >> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going to
> >> > be my
> >> > replica standalone root CA.
> >> >
> >> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services the
> >> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available but
> >> > when
> >> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they
> >> > where not
> >> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
> >> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if PKI
> >> > wasnt
> >> > confusing enough.
> >>
> >> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
> >> account.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Paul Adare
> >> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> >> http://www.identit.ca
> >> Your password is pitifully obvious.
> >>
>

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Gunna

Gunna
Thu Sep 04 01:04:01 CDT 2008

Further to my other post I just made. I also found that if you install a
Standalone Root CA logged in as a domain Admin, and not anDomain + Enterprise
admin, the CRL publihses to AD ok even though it isnt a Enterprise CA. I
thought that Standalones had to be manually published to AD or is that if
they are not domani members?

"Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:

> Gunna,
> In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise Admins
> group (either directly or through a group nesting).
> - You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data Center
> edition SKUs
> - To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data Center
> SKUs
> Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
> archival,
> Brian
>
> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
> > question
> > for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
> > Enterprise
> > CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
> > running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition server?
> >
> >
> > And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as a
> > member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to select
> > Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
> > Domain
> > Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active Directory?
> >
> >
> > "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
> >> > replicate
> >> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I setup
> >> > a
> >> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going to
> >> > be my
> >> > replica standalone root CA.
> >> >
> >> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services the
> >> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available but
> >> > when
> >> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they
> >> > where not
> >> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
> >> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if PKI
> >> > wasnt
> >> > confusing enough.
> >>
> >> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
> >> account.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Paul Adare
> >> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> >> http://www.identit.ca
> >> Your password is pitifully obvious.
> >>
>

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Brian

Brian
Thu Sep 04 07:40:15 CDT 2008

Sigh...
The account you used was in the Enterprise Admins group. End of story.
How many domains in your forest? My guess is one.
Brian

"Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FC918AB-8D77-4AB7-B879-301CCC6355B7@microsoft.com...
> Brian,
>
> Found some conflicting things. Firstly as you have already said you need
> to
> be an Enterprise admin to install an Enterprise Root CA and if you refer
> to
> this article http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc776709.aspx is
> says
> the same.
>
> However,
>
> I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain
> controller
> and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd
> machine
> as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain
> membership
> was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got the
> Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
> account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
> groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both the
> Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
> Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or
> issues.
> So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?
>
> "Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Gunna,
>> In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise
>> Admins
>> group (either directly or through a group nesting).
>> - You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data Center
>> edition SKUs
>> - To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data Center
>> SKUs
>> Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
>> archival,
>> Brian
>>
>> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
>> > question
>> > for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
>> > Enterprise
>> > CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
>> > running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition
>> > server?
>> >
>> >
>> > And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as
>> > a
>> > member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to
>> > select
>> > Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
>> > Domain
>> > Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active
>> > Directory?
>> >
>> >
>> > "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
>> >> > replicate
>> >> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I
>> >> > setup
>> >> > a
>> >> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going
>> >> > to
>> >> > be my
>> >> > replica standalone root CA.
>> >> >
>> >> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services
>> >> > the
>> >> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available
>> >> > but
>> >> > when
>> >> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they
>> >> > where not
>> >> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
>> >> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if
>> >> > PKI
>> >> > wasnt
>> >> > confusing enough.
>> >>
>> >> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
>> >> account.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Paul Adare
>> >> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
>> >> http://www.identit.ca
>> >> Your password is pitifully obvious.
>> >>
>>


Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Paul

Paul
Thu Sep 04 07:55:52 CDT 2008

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:36:06 -0700, Gunna wrote:

> I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain controller
> and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd machine
> as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain membership
> was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got the
> Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
> account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
> groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both the
> Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
> Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or issues.
> So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?

The Domain Admins group in a single domain forest, or in the root domain of
a multi-domain forest have more powers than does the Domain Admins group in
child domains. You're still better off getting in the habit of using
Enterprise Admins as that group will always be able to install and
Enterprise CA, regardless of the domain/forest structure.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Compile: A heap of decomposing vegetable matter.

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Gunna

Gunna
Thu Sep 04 20:13:00 CDT 2008

.Brian,

I'm not doubting you I just dont see where. But i think i know how so
please confirm. I built a new AD, created a new user account and placed it
into Domain ADmins. Confirmed that Domain Admins or this user is not a
Member of Enterprise Admins. However, the Domain Admins and the Enterprise
Admins are both a member of the Administrators Group. I assuem this is where
the access is coming from, right? Say yes and i'll accep it :)

"Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:

> Sigh...
> The account you used was in the Enterprise Admins group. End of story.
> How many domains in your forest? My guess is one.
> Brian
>
> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FC918AB-8D77-4AB7-B879-301CCC6355B7@microsoft.com...
> > Brian,
> >
> > Found some conflicting things. Firstly as you have already said you need
> > to
> > be an Enterprise admin to install an Enterprise Root CA and if you refer
> > to
> > this article http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc776709.aspx is
> > says
> > the same.
> >
> > However,
> >
> > I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain
> > controller
> > and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd
> > machine
> > as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain
> > membership
> > was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got the
> > Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
> > account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
> > groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both the
> > Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
> > Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or
> > issues.
> > So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?
> >
> > "Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:
> >
> >> Gunna,
> >> In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise
> >> Admins
> >> group (either directly or through a group nesting).
> >> - You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data Center
> >> edition SKUs
> >> - To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data Center
> >> SKUs
> >> Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
> >> archival,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
> >> > Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
> >> > question
> >> > for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
> >> > Enterprise
> >> > CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
> >> > running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition
> >> > server?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as
> >> > a
> >> > member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to
> >> > select
> >> > Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
> >> > Domain
> >> > Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active
> >> > Directory?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
> >> >> > replicate
> >> >> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I
> >> >> > setup
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > be my
> >> >> > replica standalone root CA.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they
> >> >> > where not
> >> >> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
> >> >> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if
> >> >> > PKI
> >> >> > wasnt
> >> >> > confusing enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
> >> >> account.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Paul Adare
> >> >> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> >> >> http://www.identit.ca
> >> >> Your password is pitifully obvious.
> >> >>
> >>
>

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Gunna

Gunna
Thu Sep 04 21:31:01 CDT 2008

Brian,

Looks like i answered my own question. I created a user, added it to Domain
Admins, took Domain Admins out of the Administrators group. Logged onto the
server to install Cert services but still got Enterprise and Standalone. I
cannot see how or where im getting the Enterprise Admin access you say i am
getting. Im happy to accept thats what happening but I have to see how\where
im getting this Enterprise rights.

"Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:

> Sigh...
> The account you used was in the Enterprise Admins group. End of story.
> How many domains in your forest? My guess is one.
> Brian
>
> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FC918AB-8D77-4AB7-B879-301CCC6355B7@microsoft.com...
> > Brian,
> >
> > Found some conflicting things. Firstly as you have already said you need
> > to
> > be an Enterprise admin to install an Enterprise Root CA and if you refer
> > to
> > this article http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc776709.aspx is
> > says
> > the same.
> >
> > However,
> >
> > I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain
> > controller
> > and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd
> > machine
> > as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain
> > membership
> > was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got the
> > Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
> > account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
> > groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both the
> > Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
> > Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or
> > issues.
> > So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?
> >
> > "Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:
> >
> >> Gunna,
> >> In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise
> >> Admins
> >> group (either directly or through a group nesting).
> >> - You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data Center
> >> edition SKUs
> >> - To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data Center
> >> SKUs
> >> Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
> >> archival,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
> >> > Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
> >> > question
> >> > for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
> >> > Enterprise
> >> > CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece between
> >> > running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition
> >> > server?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server as
> >> > a
> >> > member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to
> >> > select
> >> > Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
> >> > Domain
> >> > Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active
> >> > Directory?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
> >> >> > replicate
> >> >> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I
> >> >> > setup
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is going
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > be my
> >> >> > replica standalone root CA.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate services
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are available
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed they
> >> >> > where not
> >> >> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my lab I
> >> >> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As if
> >> >> > PKI
> >> >> > wasnt
> >> >> > confusing enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
> >> >> account.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Paul Adare
> >> >> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> >> >> http://www.identit.ca
> >> >> Your password is pitifully obvious.
> >> >>
> >>
>

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Brian

Brian
Thu Sep 04 22:17:17 CDT 2008

PLease see Paul's response in this thread. (which is why I asked you for
your domain structure).
Since you are logged in as the member of the forest root domain's domain
admins group, you have the necessary permissions to write information to the
Configuration Naming Context (hence you are offered the Enteprise CA
options).
If you had a child domain, a member of the child domain's Domain Admins (or
any other domain in the forest's Domain Admins group), then you would not be
offered the option.
Again, please look at Paul's response.
Brian
"Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D59D95DD-0E8F-49AD-9BA5-CB873B224345@microsoft.com...
> Brian,
>
> Looks like i answered my own question. I created a user, added it to
> Domain
> Admins, took Domain Admins out of the Administrators group. Logged onto
> the
> server to install Cert services but still got Enterprise and Standalone.
> I
> cannot see how or where im getting the Enterprise Admin access you say i
> am
> getting. Im happy to accept thats what happening but I have to see
> how\where
> im getting this Enterprise rights.
>
> "Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Sigh...
>> The account you used was in the Enterprise Admins group. End of story.
>> How many domains in your forest? My guess is one.
>> Brian
>>
>> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4FC918AB-8D77-4AB7-B879-301CCC6355B7@microsoft.com...
>> > Brian,
>> >
>> > Found some conflicting things. Firstly as you have already said you
>> > need
>> > to
>> > be an Enterprise admin to install an Enterprise Root CA and if you
>> > refer
>> > to
>> > this article http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc776709.aspx
>> > is
>> > says
>> > the same.
>> >
>> > However,
>> >
>> > I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain
>> > controller
>> > and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd
>> > machine
>> > as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain
>> > membership
>> > was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got
>> > the
>> > Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
>> > account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
>> > groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both
>> > the
>> > Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
>> > Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or
>> > issues.
>> > So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?
>> >
>> > "Brian Komar (MVP)" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gunna,
>> >> In your test environment, the account is a member of the Enterprise
>> >> Admins
>> >> group (either directly or through a group nesting).
>> >> - You can run an enterprise CA on the Standard, Enteprise, or Data
>> >> Center
>> >> edition SKUs
>> >> - To get full functionality, you need to run on Enterprise or Data
>> >> Center
>> >> SKUs
>> >> Full Functionality includes: issue certs on V2 cert templates, Key
>> >> archival,
>> >> Brian
>> >>
>> >> "Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:6F2DAA82-E6F9-41E6-B38B-0F5660C14C94@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Thanks Paul but im afraid i am just more confused. Can you answer a
>> >> > question
>> >> > for me becuase I read conflicting things. You can or cannot run
>> >> > Enterprise
>> >> > CA or Enterprise Sub on Standard edition? What the differnece
>> >> > between
>> >> > running Enterprise on a standard servers versus Enteprise edition
>> >> > server?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > And further to my original post. I am logged onto the member server
>> >> > as
>> >> > a
>> >> > member of the Domain Admin group only but I can see the option to
>> >> > select
>> >> > Enterprise Root or Enterprise Sub. Could I be seeing it becuase the
>> >> > Domain
>> >> > Admins group is a member of the Administrators group in Active
>> >> > Directory?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:01 -0700, Gunna wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I have an issue in Production im trying to solve so I decided to
>> >> >> > replicate
>> >> >> > the setup using Virtual PC. I have my DC up and running, then I
>> >> >> > setup
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > member Server running 2003 Server Standard with SP2, this is
>> >> >> > going
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > be my
>> >> >> > replica standalone root CA.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The strange thing I get is when I go to setup Certificate
>> >> >> > services
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > options for Enterprise CA and Enterpriose subordinate are
>> >> >> > available
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > when
>> >> >> > I set this up in production they where greyed out. I assumed
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > where not
>> >> >> > available becuase I was running Server standard but here in my
>> >> >> > lab I
>> >> >> > isntalled Standard and the Enterprise options are available. As
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > PKI
>> >> >> > wasnt
>> >> >> > confusing enough.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The account you're logged in with needs to be an Enterprise Admin
>> >> >> account.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Paul Adare
>> >> >> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
>> >> >> http://www.identit.ca
>> >> >> Your password is pitifully obvious.
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>


Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Gunna

Gunna
Mon Sep 08 20:05:01 CDT 2008

Thanks Paul,

Nice undocumented feature that. Might explain a few strange issues i noticed
in AD. I'll just accept that since it works in my environment :)

"Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:36:06 -0700, Gunna wrote:
>
> > I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain controller
> > and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd machine
> > as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain membership
> > was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got the
> > Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
> > account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
> > groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both the
> > Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
> > Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or issues.
> > So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?
>
> The Domain Admins group in a single domain forest, or in the root domain of
> a multi-domain forest have more powers than does the Domain Admins group in
> child domains. You're still better off getting in the habit of using
> Enterprise Admins as that group will always be able to install and
> Enterprise CA, regardless of the domain/forest structure.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> http://www.identit.ca
> Compile: A heap of decomposing vegetable matter.
>

Re: Enterprise CA options greyed out. by Alun

Alun
Tue Sep 09 10:07:23 CDT 2008

Not undocumented -
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/deploy/dgbd_ads_xsfl.mspx,
for instance, lists that the domain admins of the forest root domain are
able to make accounts members of the Enterprise Admins and Schema Admins
groups.

This is a natural consequence of having a forest root domain, whether it was
documented or not, so should come as no surprise - but it is documented.

Alun.
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"Gunna" <Gunna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC1EEE48-7DB2-4582-8BE7-A19CD0FBF970@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Paul,
>
> Nice undocumented feature that. Might explain a few strange issues i
> noticed
> in AD. I'll just accept that since it works in my environment :)
>
> "Paul Adare - MVP" wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:36:06 -0700, Gunna wrote:
>>
>> > I just built a new environment. Standard Server 2003 SP2 domain
>> > controller
>> > and a Standard Server 2003 SP2 for my Root CA. I logged onto the 2nd
>> > machine
>> > as a user with local admin to the second server only (only domain
>> > membership
>> > was Domain Users) and tried to install PKI and sure enough I only got
>> > the
>> > Standalone options. I stopped the install and then logged on using an
>> > account i created and placed only in the Domain Users and Domain Admins
>> > groups. Then started to install Certificate services and I got both
>> > the
>> > Enterprise and Standalone options. I then installed it completely as
>> > Enterprise Root CA as a Domain Admin only with no visible errors or
>> > issues.
>> > So what is the Enterprise Admin requriment for?
>>
>> The Domain Admins group in a single domain forest, or in the root domain
>> of
>> a multi-domain forest have more powers than does the Domain Admins group
>> in
>> child domains. You're still better off getting in the habit of using
>> Enterprise Admins as that group will always be able to install and
>> Enterprise CA, regardless of the domain/forest structure.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Adare
>> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
>> http://www.identit.ca
>> Compile: A heap of decomposing vegetable matter.
>>