I've been using a tool called ABouncer (recommended by someone on this NG)
to notify ISP's when I receive Unsolicited Bulk E-mail.

I started wondering whether this tool is actually working properly, so I
tried sending mail from my web-mail address to ordinary address, then used
ABouncer to bounce it back to my web address.

This has not worked, so does that mean ABouncer is'nt sending any messages
to ISP's, or am I misunderstanding something.

Incidentally, when I click SEND on ABouncer, after a few seconds it
flashes up Caught Sendmail ....... I've always assumed that meant that the
message had been sucessful.

Re: Bounce e-mail question by *Vanguard*

*Vanguard*
Mon Nov 24 17:15:54 CST 2003

Paul Simon wrote:
> I've been using a tool called ABouncer (recommended by someone on
> this NG) to notify ISP's when I receive Unsolicited Bulk E-mail.
>
> I started wondering whether this tool is actually working properly,
> so I tried sending mail from my web-mail address to ordinary address,
> then used ABouncer to bounce it back to my web address.
>
> This has not worked, so does that mean ABouncer is'nt sending any
> messages to ISP's, or am I misunderstanding something.
>
> Incidentally, when I click SEND on ABouncer, after a few seconds it
> flashes up Caught Sendmail ....... I've always assumed that meant
> that the message had been sucessful.

So are you the mail admin of the domain from which you sent the test
message? Probably not. So why are you expecting to get the abuse alert
message? It goes to abuse@<domain>, NOT to the sender (which would be
worthless when a spammer). Do you have access to the abuse@<domain>
e-mail account to see the bounce?

I don't know ABouncer but there would be no point to having it
bounceback an abuse alert to the spammer (i.e., sender). It needs to go
to the abuse department of the domain that sent it.


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Bounce e-mail question by sgopus

sgopus
Mon Nov 24 17:18:23 CST 2003

Bouncing mail is a bad idea the spam headers are usually
faked so your just sending it to someone who didn't send
it in the first place, either use some tool to get the
details of the address header and report the spammer to
abuse.net or just delete the junk mail in the first
place.




>-----Original Message-----
>I've been using a tool called ABouncer (recommended by
someone on this NG)
>to notify ISP's when I receive Unsolicited Bulk E-mail.
>
>I started wondering whether this tool is actually working
properly, so I
>tried sending mail from my web-mail address to ordinary
address, then used
>ABouncer to bounce it back to my web address.
>
>This has not worked, so does that mean ABouncer is'nt
sending any messages
>to ISP's, or am I misunderstanding something.
>
>Incidentally, when I click SEND on ABouncer, after a few
seconds it
>flashes up Caught Sendmail ....... I've always assumed
that meant that the
>message had been sucessful.
>
>.
>

Re: Bounce e-mail question by N

N
Mon Nov 24 18:40:48 CST 2003

In article <l2twb.12537$lm1.92842@wards.force9.net>,
postmaster@XnospamXpaulhsimon.plus.com says...
> I've been using a tool called ABouncer (recommended by someone on this NG)
> to notify ISP's when I receive Unsolicited Bulk E-mail.
>
> I started wondering whether this tool is actually working properly, so I
> tried sending mail from my web-mail address to ordinary address, then used
> ABouncer to bounce it back to my web address.
>
> This has not worked, so does that mean ABouncer is'nt sending any messages
> to ISP's, or am I misunderstanding something.
>
> Incidentally, when I click SEND on ABouncer, after a few seconds it
> flashes up Caught Sendmail ....... I've always assumed that meant that the
> message had been sucessful.

Whatever anybody told you about bouncing email, you can't bounce it, if you
aren't running the SMTP server. And even if you are running an SMTP server,
you should never bounce email. The reason end users can't bounce email is
because it has already been delivered; a bounce is a notice of failure to
deliver.

The reason that using a program like ABouncer is a bad idea is because you
can cause more havoc by trying to return the email to the sender. Last June
a yahoo.com email account that I have was forged as the sender in a spam
run. I got over 200 bounces, a taunt, and a challenge from one of those
spiffy Challenge/Response email systems. Your ABouncer would have added to
my misery; but I didn't send the spam.

If you want to do something other than JHD, learn how to identify the
spammer by reading the full headers, and picking the source IP address from
the right Received: line. Learn how to use whois tools, and digging tools,
to get to the source of the spam.

Here is one place to start:

http://www.samspade.org/ssw/

If you are willing to dig a little, and learn how to read headers, another
place that can help is here:

http://www.spamcop.net/

But if you are going to report spam through SpamCop, please don't just
robotically click on everything that you see. Learn how a SpamCop parse
works, and how to tell when to check an unchecked box, or to uncheck a
checked box. Knowing the difference can save you from losing your own email
account because you reported yourself to SpamCop! :O

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Re: Bounce e-mail question by postmaster

postmaster
Tue Nov 25 14:48:36 CST 2003

N. Miller wrote:

> Whatever anybody told you about bouncing email, you can't bounce it, if you
> aren't running the SMTP server. And even if you are running an SMTP server,
> you should never bounce email. The reason end users can't bounce email is
> because it has already been delivered; a bounce is a notice of failure to
> deliver.

> The reason that using a program like ABouncer is a bad idea is because you
> can cause more havoc by trying to return the email to the sender. Last June
> a yahoo.com email account that I have was forged as the sender in a spam
> run. I got over 200 bounces, a taunt, and a challenge from one of those
> spiffy Challenge/Response email systems. Your ABouncer would have added to
> my misery; but I didn't send the spam.

> If you want to do something other than JHD, learn how to identify the
> spammer by reading the full headers, and picking the source IP address from
> the right Received: line. Learn how to use whois tools, and digging tools,
> to get to the source of the spam.

> Here is one place to start:

> http://www.samspade.org/ssw/

> If you are willing to dig a little, and learn how to read headers, another
> place that can help is here:

> http://www.spamcop.net/

> But if you are going to report spam through SpamCop, please don't just
> robotically click on everything that you see. Learn how a SpamCop parse
> works, and how to tell when to check an unchecked box, or to uncheck a
> checked box. Knowing the difference can save you from losing your own email
> account because you reported yourself to SpamCop! :O

> --
> Norman
> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Firstly, thanks to those who replied.

I may have given the wrong impression. Sorry if I did.

I have'nt been trying to send the e-mails back to the spammers. I realise
they always use a forged address.

I HAVE been examining the full headers, as suggested, to pick out the
spammers IP address. I have then used the Whois tools on ABouncer
(apnic.net, arin.net and ripe.net) to find the appropriate abuse address
to report the spam to the spammers ISP.

So, now that I've (hopefully) explained more fully what I've been doing,
can anyone tell me if I'm doing the right thing, and does "Caught
Sendmail" mean my complaint has been/will be received successfully.


Re: Bounce e-mail question by *Vanguard*

*Vanguard*
Wed Nov 26 15:44:44 CST 2003

Paul Simon wrote:
> Firstly, thanks to those who replied.
>
> I may have given the wrong impression. Sorry if I did.
>
> I have'nt been trying to send the e-mails back to the spammers. I
> realise they always use a forged address.
>
> I HAVE been examining the full headers, as suggested, to pick out the
> spammers IP address. I have then used the Whois tools on ABouncer
> (apnic.net, arin.net and ripe.net) to find the appropriate abuse
> address to report the spam to the spammers ISP.
>
> So, now that I've (hopefully) explained more fully what I've been
> doing, can anyone tell me if I'm doing the right thing, and does
> "Caught Sendmail" mean my complaint has been/will be received
> successfully.

Wasn't sure which "abouncer" to check when I did a Google search. You
didn't mention from where you got it. So the author doesn't provide an
e-mail or web form for contract for you to ask him/her about the message
(presuming the program's help is of no help)?

If Abouncer sends e-mails, whose mail server does it use? Yours? If
so, your SMTP server will send back an NDR (non-delivery receipt)
bounceback e-mail if delivery was unsuccessful.



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Re: Bounce e-mail question by postmaster

postmaster
Wed Nov 26 17:47:09 CST 2003

*Vanguard* wrote:

> Wasn't sure which "abouncer" to check when I did a Google search. You
didn't mention from where you got it.

The program's full name is TESP ABouncer.

> If Abouncer sends e-mails, whose mail server does it use? Yours?
Don't know about this!


> If so, your SMTP server will send back an NDR (non-delivery
receipt)bounceback e-mail if delivery was unsuccessful.

I've never received one of these, so I assume, if your right, that my
deliveries have been successful.

I'm sure they'll be back tomorrow, but I did not receive any SPAM at all
today.