Most people don't realize that if you don't disable the services that
a Windows Platform leaves open, the chances of your computer being
hacked/owned are high. Many people don't even know how to disable
these services or what they are used for. The hackers can either
install a Backdoor or Trojan Horse which disables your anti-virus and
firewall applications. They may have already installed a Virtual
Private Network(s) which isn't installed by default on a Windows
Platform. By this time, the hackers are abusing your computer at your
expense and the expense of the whole world.


The Best Kept Secrets of Backdoors, Cracking, Firewalls, Hacking,
Proxies, The Internet, Trojan Horses, Virtual Private Networks, Virus,
Windows and different types of Servers can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/secure2003flop


Tracker

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Thore

Thore
Mon Oct 06 10:48:12 CDT 2003

> Most people don't realize that if you don't disable the services that
> a Windows Platform leaves open, the chances of your computer being
> hacked/owned are high.

Not wholly wrong... but also dangerously incomplete.

> They may have already installed a Virtual
> Private Network(s)...

Hackers have no reason to use VPNs. Live with it.

> The Best Kept Secrets of Backdoors, Cracking, Firewalls, Hacking,
> Proxies, The Internet, Trojan Horses, Virtual Private Networks, Virus,
> Windows and different types of Servers can

NOT

> be found at:
> http://www.geocities.com/secure2003flop


--


(Quote from one who found just the right words)

USENET POST WARNING
====================
The User by the name "Tracker" aka "Debbie", VPNSISHACKERSSECRET, aka
"snailmail" regularly posts incorrect, misleading and damaging information,
to rely on the advice of this person could result in irreparable damage to
your system. It is mypersonal advice not to listen to anything that this
person posts andcertainly to not attempt or believe anything this person
advises.

(End Quote)

Regards

Tocis (commoner AT carcosa DOT de)
For answers include HI-AK 523 in your email subject!

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Mimic

Mimic
Mon Oct 06 11:09:31 CDT 2003

"Tracker" <"snailmail(removevalid)222000"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F80B521.ECFC6D3F@yahoo.com...
>
> Most people don't realize that if you don't disable the services that
> a Windows Platform leaves open, the chances of your computer being
> hacked/owned are high. Many people don't even know how to disable
> these services or what they are used for. The hackers can either
> install a Backdoor or Trojan Horse which disables your anti-virus and
> firewall applications. They may have already installed a Virtual
> Private Network(s) which isn't installed by default on a Windows
> Platform. By this time, the hackers are abusing your computer at your
> expense and the expense of the whole world.
>
>
> The Best Kept Secrets of Backdoors, Cracking, Firewalls, Hacking,
> Proxies, The Internet, Trojan Horses, Virtual Private Networks, Virus,
> Windows and different types of Servers can be found at:
> http://www.geocities.com/secure2003flop
>
>
> Tracker
>
>

Ok tracker, how about you tell these innocent victims how to disable the
services ?

--
Mimic

"Without Knowledge you have fear, With fear you create your own nightmares."
"There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary,
and those that dont."
"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg"




Why Anti-virus and Firewalls DO WORK by Leythos

Leythos
Mon Oct 06 11:22:33 CDT 2003

While the tracker idiot posts about how things don't work I thought I
might pass this along:

1) All client/friends computers under my control have Norton AV products
installed, it's never let me down at any time.

2) All of them have some form of blocking device - meaning they use a
Linksys router (or a LAN modem) or a software firewall of some type (or
they use a hardware based firewall device - PIX, Watchguard, Sonic,
etc...)

3) Dial-up or always-on is treated the same - there isn't really any
difference once they connect

4) All security patches are applied nightly where automated and weekly
if it requires manual intervention - if something hits the web and looks
bad we apply the patch immediately

NONE of the computers have been compromised and none have required the
disabling of any of the services.

Even the ones running IIS 4 and 5 have not been compromised.

Don't believe Tracker - All you need to do is understand how they get
into your computer, and how to eliminate those points of entry.

For the most part, if you have an updated Antivirus program (something
good, not some freeware), apply the Microsoft security patches (they
won't email them to you) using Windows Update (daily), and install some
form of inbound filter (Linksys, Tiny, Zone Alarm, etc...) your computer
will be safe.

As a last measure, I suggest that you also install and run Spybot Search
& Destroy weekly - it's amazing what it finds on peoples computers :-)

Following these methods I can honestly say that since 1974 not one
computer/system under my control has ever been compromised. I would also
like to point out that 75% of those computers were/are using Microsoft
based operating systems and applications.

Tracker provides nothing to this group except spam and a moving target
for the flamers - remember, when you reply to her posts, remove her web
site information.


--
--
spamfree999@rrohio.com
(Remove 999 to reply to me)

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls DO WORK by Steven

Steven
Mon Oct 06 11:47:15 CDT 2003

I agree. Just to add, if anyone does not mind a little inconvenience, they could also
consider hardening their Internet Explorer settings to use the Internet Explorer
Enhanced Security Configuration that Windows 2003 uses by default. Basically all
internet browsing is treated as being in the restricted sites Web Content Zone and a
few configuration changes to advanced settings. Then you add your most frequently
visited sites that you trust to the trusted internet zone. Occasionally you will need
to relax settings if a particular site does not work correctly or add it to the
trusted zone. See KB link below for more information. ---- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;815141


"Leythos" <void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19eb60eb4110ec15989d2d@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> While the tracker idiot posts about how things don't work I thought I
> might pass this along:
>
> 1) All client/friends computers under my control have Norton AV products
> installed, it's never let me down at any time.
>
> 2) All of them have some form of blocking device - meaning they use a
> Linksys router (or a LAN modem) or a software firewall of some type (or
> they use a hardware based firewall device - PIX, Watchguard, Sonic,
> etc...)
>
> 3) Dial-up or always-on is treated the same - there isn't really any
> difference once they connect
>
> 4) All security patches are applied nightly where automated and weekly
> if it requires manual intervention - if something hits the web and looks
> bad we apply the patch immediately
>
> NONE of the computers have been compromised and none have required the
> disabling of any of the services.
>
> Even the ones running IIS 4 and 5 have not been compromised.
>
> Don't believe Tracker - All you need to do is understand how they get
> into your computer, and how to eliminate those points of entry.
>
> For the most part, if you have an updated Antivirus program (something
> good, not some freeware), apply the Microsoft security patches (they
> won't email them to you) using Windows Update (daily), and install some
> form of inbound filter (Linksys, Tiny, Zone Alarm, etc...) your computer
> will be safe.
>
> As a last measure, I suggest that you also install and run Spybot Search
> & Destroy weekly - it's amazing what it finds on peoples computers :-)
>
> Following these methods I can honestly say that since 1974 not one
> computer/system under my control has ever been compromised. I would also
> like to point out that 75% of those computers were/are using Microsoft
> based operating systems and applications.
>
> Tracker provides nothing to this group except spam and a moving target
> for the flamers - remember, when you reply to her posts, remove her web
> site information.
>
>
> --
> --
> spamfree999@rrohio.com
> (Remove 999 to reply to me)



Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by GuitarMan

GuitarMan
Mon Oct 06 16:34:31 CDT 2003

"Tracker" <"snailmail(removevalid)222000"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F80B521.ECFC6D3F@yahoo.com...
>

You've definitely won the "Jackass Of The Year Award"



Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by sgopus

sgopus
Mon Oct 06 17:11:02 CDT 2003

Useless Drival, posted by an unused mind!

Otherwise useless garbage snipped by preference

Do not listen to advice given by the person known as
TRACKER
This person is known to post dangerous and misleading info!
Heading her advice could lead to a life of spontaneous
laughter
Uncontrollable spurts of giggling and tufts of hair being
self removed from your head!




Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by RCH

RCH
Mon Oct 06 17:22:28 CDT 2003


| | | | | | |
( * * )
oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
| PLEASE DoN'T |
| fEeD, pLonK, |
| OR aNnOY |
| tHe TrOlls |
+--oooO--------Oooo--+
( ) ( )
| ( ) |
(____) (____)
Rob

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Mimic

Mimic
Mon Oct 06 17:55:08 CDT 2003

"RCH" <Rob@Nobody.com> wrote in message
news:koq3ov4pslq27qejfq472hni49uc4m48kj@4ax.com...
>
> | | | | | | |
> ( * * )
> oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
> | PLEASE DoN'T |
> | fEeD, pLonK, |
> | OR aNnOY |
> | tHe TrOlls |
> +--oooO--------Oooo--+
> ( ) ( )
> | ( ) |
> (____) (____)
> Rob

PLEASE DONT SPAM THE GROUPS
dumbass, otherwise we'll be reporting you next

--
Mimic

"Without Knowledge you have fear, With fear you create your own nightmares."
"There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary,
and those that dont."
"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg"




Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by |{evin

|{evin
Mon Oct 06 22:32:31 CDT 2003

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 04:19:45 +0400, Tracker
<"snailmail(removevalid)222000"@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Most people don't realize that if you don't disable the services that
>a Windows Platform leaves open, the chances of your computer being

Interesting.. you claim to be helping people that run Windows OS's
(excluding NT, XP, and 2K), then turn around and talk about services.
You DO realize that 95, 98, and (at least I don't think so anyway) ME
don't HAVE services.. right?



Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by n1pop

n1pop
Tue Oct 07 09:19:25 CDT 2003

Tracker <"snailmail(removevalid)222000"@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3F80B521.ECFC6D3F@yahoo.com>...
> Most people ... realize that i ... don't ... even know ... what i ...
> a...m s...a...y...ing.

I found the secret message.

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls DO WORK by Jeff

Jeff
Tue Oct 07 17:17:14 CDT 2003

A virus scanning plugin on your mail server is also an extremely good idea.
Virus scanning on the desktop may sometimes fail if the program crashes or
if it is not up to date, which can happen easily if your users do not inform
you of such failures. But blocking incoming virii at the server provides an
extra line of defense before the desktop.

I'd hate to think of what the headaches I would have if my mail servers
didn't automatically block executable attachments when the last few
outbreaks occured.

--
Jeff Umbach

"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:n0hgb.51442$%h1.34264@sccrnsc02...
> I agree. Just to add, if anyone does not mind a little inconvenience, they
could also
> consider hardening their Internet Explorer settings to use the Internet
Explorer
> Enhanced Security Configuration that Windows 2003 uses by default.
Basically all
> internet browsing is treated as being in the restricted sites Web Content
Zone and a
> few configuration changes to advanced settings. Then you add your most
frequently
> visited sites that you trust to the trusted internet zone. Occasionally
you will need
> to relax settings if a particular site does not work correctly or add it
to the
> trusted zone. See KB link below for more information. ---- Steve
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;815141
>
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.19eb60eb4110ec15989d2d@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> > While the tracker idiot posts about how things don't work I thought I
> > might pass this along:
> >
> > 1) All client/friends computers under my control have Norton AV products
> > installed, it's never let me down at any time.
> >
> > 2) All of them have some form of blocking device - meaning they use a
> > Linksys router (or a LAN modem) or a software firewall of some type (or
> > they use a hardware based firewall device - PIX, Watchguard, Sonic,
> > etc...)
> >
> > 3) Dial-up or always-on is treated the same - there isn't really any
> > difference once they connect
> >
> > 4) All security patches are applied nightly where automated and weekly
> > if it requires manual intervention - if something hits the web and looks
> > bad we apply the patch immediately
> >
> > NONE of the computers have been compromised and none have required the
> > disabling of any of the services.
> >
> > Even the ones running IIS 4 and 5 have not been compromised.
> >
> > Don't believe Tracker - All you need to do is understand how they get
> > into your computer, and how to eliminate those points of entry.
> >
> > For the most part, if you have an updated Antivirus program (something
> > good, not some freeware), apply the Microsoft security patches (they
> > won't email them to you) using Windows Update (daily), and install some
> > form of inbound filter (Linksys, Tiny, Zone Alarm, etc...) your computer
> > will be safe.
> >
> > As a last measure, I suggest that you also install and run Spybot Search
> > & Destroy weekly - it's amazing what it finds on peoples computers :-)
> >
> > Following these methods I can honestly say that since 1974 not one
> > computer/system under my control has ever been compromised. I would also
> > like to point out that 75% of those computers were/are using Microsoft
> > based operating systems and applications.
> >
> > Tracker provides nothing to this group except spam and a moving target
> > for the flamers - remember, when you reply to her posts, remove her web
> > site information.
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > spamfree999@rrohio.com
> > (Remove 999 to reply to me)
>
>



Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by RCH

RCH
Wed Oct 08 10:42:06 CDT 2003

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:11:27 +1000, "slea" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>"RCH" coerced a million monkeys into typing:
>:
>: ( * * )
>: oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
>:: PLEASE DoN'T |
>:: fEeD, pLonK, |
>:: OR aNnOY |
>:: tHe TrOlls |
>: +--oooO--------Oooo--+
>: ( ) ( )
>: | ( ) |
>: (____) (____)
>: Rob
>:
>
>Please don't plonk the trolls? Why not?

pLonKing them only makes them stronger. Killfile them if you can, but
pLonKing them feeds them. The only way t make a troll disappear is to
ignore them - totally.

Rob

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Chris

Chris
Wed Oct 08 12:12:51 CDT 2003

RCH wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:11:27 +1000, "slea" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>
>>"RCH" coerced a million monkeys into typing:
>>:
>>: ( * * )
>>: oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
>>:: PLEASE DoN'T |
>>:: fEeD, pLonK, |
>>:: OR aNnOY |
>>:: tHe TrOlls |
>>: +--oooO--------Oooo--+
>>: ( ) ( )
>>: | ( ) |
>>: (____) (____)
>>: Rob
>>:
>>
>>Please don't plonk the trolls? Why not?
>
>
> pLonKing them only makes them stronger. Killfile them if you can,

Uh, wha? "Plonking" *is* killfiling. That's what it means.

Chris Mattern


Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Terry

Terry
Wed Oct 08 12:56:19 CDT 2003

Chris Mattern <syscjm@gwu.edu> wrote in news:3F844593.6010705@gwu.edu:

> RCH wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:11:27 +1000, "slea" <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"RCH" coerced a million monkeys into typing:
>>>:
>>>: ( * * )
>>>: oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
>>>:: PLEASE DoN'T |
>>>:: fEeD, pLonK, |
>>>:: OR aNnOY |
>>>:: tHe TrOlls |
>>>: +--oooO--------Oooo--+
>>>: ( ) ( )
>>>: | ( ) |
>>>: (____) (____)
>>>: Rob
>>>:
>>>
>>>Please don't plonk the trolls? Why not?
>>
>>
>> pLonKing them only makes them stronger. Killfile them if you can,
>
> Uh, wha? "Plonking" *is* killfiling. That's what it means.
>
I believe he's using "plonk" to refer to the public announcement of
killfiling. If so, he's absolutely right. Just killfile the troll silently,
and move on.

--
Larry Flynt for Governor
Bringing dignity back to the Governor's Mansion

Terry Austin
taustin@hyperbooks.com

Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Bruce

Bruce
Wed Oct 08 21:46:52 CDT 2003

Greetings --

What he means is, go ahead and kill-file the trolls, if desired,
but don't reply telling them that they've been plonked. Trolls crave
attention above all else, so telling them that they've annoying you
(by announcing the plonk) is feeding their egos.

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Chris Mattern" <syscjm@gwu.edu> wrote in message
news:3F844593.6010705@gwu.edu...

> >>Please don't plonk the trolls? Why not?
> >
> >
> > pLonKing them only makes them stronger. Killfile them if you can,
>
> Uh, wha? "Plonking" *is* killfiling. That's what it means.
>
> Chris Mattern
>



Re: Why Anti-virus and Firewalls Don't Work by Bill

Bill
Wed Oct 08 23:32:34 CDT 2003

Which is why I generally delete threads such as this one involving Tracker
without reading them--my view is that any entry in such a thread potentially
feeds the troll. (we could argue about whether Tracker is a troll, but most
of her customary respondents surely are!)
(so why did I manage to read this one!?)