Anti-Phishing Toolbar Available

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/

Lecter
"Trust No One!"

Phillip
Wed Mar 23 09:47:22 CST 2005

Trust no one!?

But we are supposed to click on that link? :-)

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"lecter" <2@2.com> wrote in message
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> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/
>
> Lecter
> "Trust No One!"

Galen
Wed Mar 23 11:50:01 CST 2005

In news:3ur2419sdu18tprtqaa52uicg0mbvud2tu@4ax.com,
lecter <2@2.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/
>
> Lecter
> "Trust No One!"

We've hashed this one out in the DST list recently and there's too many
problems with it for it to be used comfortably or recommended by any of us
at this time. Beyond that it's a toolbar which many people don't like. While
I agree that it's an interesting and good idea the format that it's done in
doesn't fit with what MOST users are going to want and, beyond that, there's
been a number of cases where the users had browser crashes after installing
it.

That is, of course, just my opinion on the subject.

Galen
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Vanguard>
Wed Mar 23 13:25:06 CST 2005

"lecter" <2@2.com> wrote in message
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> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/
>
> Lecter
> "Trust No One!"


Interesting signature. Guess we really aren't support to trust you and
we are not supposed to trust anyone you recommend. Other anti-phishing
toolbars:

Webroot's Phish Net Software (http://www.webroot.com/products/phishnet)
GeoTrust's Trustwatch toolbar (http://www.trustwatch.com/)
FraudEliminator (http://www.fraudeliminator.com/)

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Roland
Wed Mar 23 16:00:10 CST 2005

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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: Trust no one!?
:
: But we are supposed to click on that link? :-)

Go ahead and after you rebuild your system, come back and tell us if it's
safe for us to do it too. (O:=
Wonder if Lecter's first name is Hannibal? *raises eyebrow*

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Phillip
Wed Mar 23 16:26:19 CST 2005

Actually I use Virtual PC for that type of stuff with "undo disks" feature
enabled. You can punish the virtual machine all you want, then when closing
it down you tell it to discard changes and it reverts back to the original
state on the next startup. The "real world" Host machine is never effected.


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"Roland Hall" <nobody@nowhere> wrote in message
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> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> news:u$bbb%237LFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Trust no one!?
> :
> : But we are supposed to click on that link? :-)
>
> Go ahead and after you rebuild your system, come back and tell us if it's
> safe for us to do it too. (O:=
> Wonder if Lecter's first name is Hannibal? *raises eyebrow*
>
> --
> Roland Hall
> - You sound like gramma' but I still need your passcode -
>
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> without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of merchantability
> or fitness for a particular purpose. */
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>

Roland
Wed Mar 23 16:55:14 CST 2005

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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: Actually I use Virtual PC for that type of stuff with "undo disks" feature
: enabled. You can punish the virtual machine all you want, then when
closing
: it down you tell it to discard changes and it reverts back to the original
: state on the next startup. The "real world" Host machine is never
effected.

Ooh, that's too sufistukatud fo' me. I either safe browse or use Knoppix
STD running on a CD but then none of my browsers on Windows allow scripting
to run without prompting, memory is protected and monitored, the registry is
protected and monitored, popups are not allowed by default, no third party
cookies, no first party cookies without approval, all ad sites are 127.0.0.2
and only trusted sites are moved into a different zone so my surfing
'experience' is not all 'error', 'error', 'cookie-yes/no','error', 'script
trying to run...yes/no','error', and 'error', oh and 'error', 'oops',
'error', 'coffee break.......', 'error', 'page will be loaded in 2016',
'error', etc.

Safe browsing works best where everything is encoded and no scripts run.
It's just all source. Probably not recommended for the n00bs.

Note: I have spell checking turned on and it recommended 'sophisticated' for
'sufistukatud'. I must have the hillbilly add-on. (O:=

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Phillip
Thu Mar 24 11:37:41 CST 2005


"Roland Hall" <nobody@nowhere> wrote in message
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> Ooh, that's too sufistukatud fo' me.

dat's owkay. I only go that route when I intensionally "wade" through some
of the internet "minefields" and I want to do it with a "vurlnerable"
machine on purpose.

> Note: I have spell checking turned on and it recommended 'sophisticated'
for
> 'sufistukatud'. I must have the hillbilly add-on. (O:=

Well at least is wasn't an open source spell checker,..it may have suggested
"GNsufistukatud".


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Roland
Thu Mar 24 22:59:06 CST 2005

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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: Well at least is wasn't an open source spell checker,..it may have
suggested
: "GNsufistukatud".

I tried running an open source spell-checker once. All MSFT references were
changed to M$.

You'll love this... I answered a question on Experts-Exchange and put:

HTH...

...at the end. The OP replied, thanks to HTH for the answer. (O:= I felt
bad explaining to him what it meant.

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lecter
Fri Mar 25 06:18:53 CST 2005

The answer is YES, I admire this character! How it could be if he
study on computer?

Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:00:10 -0600, "Roland Hall" <nobody@nowhere>
wrote:

>"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
>news:u$bbb%237LFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>: Trust no one!?
>:
>: But we are supposed to click on that link? :-)
>
>Go ahead and after you rebuild your system, come back and tell us if it's
>safe for us to do it too. (O:=
>Wonder if Lecter's first name is Hannibal? *raises eyebrow*


Lecter
"Trust No One!"

lecter
Fri Mar 25 06:32:46 CST 2005

Do you trust Windows XP?
Do you trust the world wide web?

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:50:01 -0500, "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In news:3ur2419sdu18tprtqaa52uicg0mbvud2tu@4ax.com,
>lecter <2@2.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
>> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/
>>
>> Lecter
>> "Trust No One!"
>
>We've hashed this one out in the DST list recently and there's too many
>problems with it for it to be used comfortably or recommended by any of us
>at this time. Beyond that it's a toolbar which many people don't like. While
>I agree that it's an interesting and good idea the format that it's done in
>doesn't fit with what MOST users are going to want and, beyond that, there's
>been a number of cases where the users had browser crashes after installing
>it.
>
>That is, of course, just my opinion on the subject.
>
>Galen


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Lecter
- "Trust No One!"

Roland
Fri Mar 25 11:59:39 CST 2005

"lecter" wrote in message news:940841durtl1m86i1c5vr3s0plt1rd4ut2@4ax.com...
: The answer is YES, I admire this character! How it could be if he
: study on computer?

I have no idea and I don't admire psychotic cannibals.

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Roland
Fri Mar 25 12:00:55 CST 2005

"lecter" wrote in message news:bu0841l00hvm4b2tv4nhmh6ibb7lad7u3o@4ax.com...
: Do you trust Windows XP?
: Do you trust the world wide web?

Do we trust you and your link?

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Galen
Fri Mar 25 12:05:40 CST 2005

In news:bu0841l00hvm4b2tv4nhmh6ibb7lad7u3o@4ax.com,
lecter <2@2.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Do you trust Windows XP?
> Do you trust the world wide web?

Do I trust XP? I trust it to do what it does in according to the code on a
regular basis and accept my commands when I enter them.
Do I trust the WWW? It's doing it's job according to the standards set.

Do I trust people? No... I read all of my mail in plain text so I see the
real URLs before clicking them.

Isn't your browser full enough so that practicing safe computing would be
better than adding additional third party tools?

Doesn't your PC crash enough so that adding potentially unfinished (is it
ever REALLY finished?) code to your PC that could make it crash more worth
it?

I've been shopping online for years. I live in a very remote area and most
every electronic or computer device in my home was purchased online. Between
my wife and I we spend, on average, about $1500 per month online. We keep
our computers free from malware to the best of our ability. We don't store
our credit card information on the computer. We shop only when we can see
the URL in the address bar. We use only reputable vendors and base our
initial purchases on the opinions of our peers. We have, in all these years,
never once suffered from financial loss nor even had to return a single
product for an unacceptable reason. (I a few RMAs for faulty hardware but
this toolbar wouldn't help there.)

It was I who brought the toolbar to the attention of the MVPs in the DTS
list on 2/10/05 (still have the original email) and the idea is a great idea
but the implimentation of the idea is poor and the code causes too many
systems to crash. A number of us had tested it and it ran fine on two PCs
here yet on a third with nearly the same configurations as the others had it
did cause the browser to crash quite often. Security is a process, not an
application.

That is, of course, just my opinion...

Galen

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