African Advance fee fraud, euro lotteries, ....

I get so much JUNK email everyday I truly wonder why governments dont do
something?

African Advance fee schemes are the most prevailant and enticing. Allegedly
they give you millions of dollars just for transfering their funds into your
account. They go into great depth to make it sound legitimate and usually
they claim to be "government officials" who need to "quickly" and
"confidentially" transfer their funds in return for a 5-10 percent
commission. Get real why would they chose me for their partner instead of
getting professional assistance and when was it ever that easy to make
millions of dollars for doing virtualy nothing? Everybody should ask
themselves those two questions!

Then the euro lottery deal. I just won a euro email lottery without even
knowing about it! And the best part is like the african scheme everyone
copies the format(virtually all are identical), confedintiality and urgency
are a must.

Then the prescription pills that u save a bundle by purchasing online.
Since when does such serious medication get exchanged online without any
doctors perscriptions? I woulnt even purchase aspirin online let alone
prescription pills!

Lastly, the BIG software ripoff, where you can purchase top software like
adobe, microsoft, norton and other top software at a huge discount. Do
companies now about this? I dont think they would be overly joyed having
their software pirated in such ways if indeed the deal is legitate and not a
total scam! I dont know, i havent tried it.

Pandaman
Sat Nov 05 00:17:02 CST 2005

You can't do anything about the SPAM
SPAM is unsolicated mail ,junk mail.
Microsoft Hotmail servers filters more than 3 billions of junk every
day,which is very huge and is difficult to be imagine...

The problem with the SPAM messages is that most advertisement looks
similar and one thing can be SPAM for you but not SPAM for me...

Well,if your SPAM is from the most dangerous -PHISHING ,you can do nothing
again.You can use some software like the Add-in in MSN toolbar to protect you
from phishing pages or some other software like Panda's products to check all
messages in your mail box for SPAM , online fraud or hoaxes.

Use good SPAM filter to filter the messages in separated folder .You can
choose the option to have all junk messages automatically deleted instead of
moving it into JUNK folder.However,the last one is not a decision because as
I told you a message can be SPAM for the software and NOT SPAM for you... :)

Another decision is to change your email address...


Regards :

Panda_man
" Let's beat malware black and blue "
" No new epidemics of all kind of malware -> Panda TruPrevent "




"MAGOS NICKOLAS" wrote:

> I get so much JUNK email everyday I truly wonder why governments dont do
> something?
>
> African Advance fee schemes are the most prevailant and enticing. Allegedly
> they give you millions of dollars just for transfering their funds into your
> account. They go into great depth to make it sound legitimate and usually
> they claim to be "government officials" who need to "quickly" and
> "confidentially" transfer their funds in return for a 5-10 percent
> commission. Get real why would they chose me for their partner instead of
> getting professional assistance and when was it ever that easy to make
> millions of dollars for doing virtualy nothing? Everybody should ask
> themselves those two questions!
>
> Then the euro lottery deal. I just won a euro email lottery without even
> knowing about it! And the best part is like the african scheme everyone
> copies the format(virtually all are identical), confedintiality and urgency
> are a must.
>
> Then the prescription pills that u save a bundle by purchasing online.
> Since when does such serious medication get exchanged online without any
> doctors perscriptions? I woulnt even purchase aspirin online let alone
> prescription pills!
>
> Lastly, the BIG software ripoff, where you can purchase top software like
> adobe, microsoft, norton and other top software at a huge discount. Do
> companies now about this? I dont think they would be overly joyed having
> their software pirated in such ways if indeed the deal is legitate and not a
> total scam! I dont know, i havent tried it.
>
>
>

N
Sat Nov 05 03:36:37 CST 2005

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 22:17:02 -0800, Panda_man wrote:

> You can't do anything about the SPAM...

Actually, you can do a lot about SPAM. Fry it. Slice it. Hash it. Mix it
with eggs, potatoes...Google is your friend:

http://www.google.com/search?q=spam+recipes
http://www.spam.com/index.htm

Now, if you are speaking of email spam, well; that is another topic
entirely!

http://www.google.com/search?q=hormel+trademark+spam
http://www.spam.com/hp/hp_lg.htm

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Imhotep
Sat Nov 05 09:41:11 CST 2005

MAGOS NICKOLAS wrote:

> I get so much JUNK email everyday I truly wonder why governments dont do
> something?
>
> African Advance fee schemes are the most prevailant and enticing.
> Allegedly they give you millions of dollars just for transfering their
> funds into your
> account. They go into great depth to make it sound legitimate and usually
> they claim to be "government officials" who need to "quickly" and
> "confidentially" transfer their funds in return for a 5-10 percent
> commission. Get real why would they chose me for their partner instead of
> getting professional assistance and when was it ever that easy to make
> millions of dollars for doing virtualy nothing? Everybody should ask
> themselves those two questions!
>
> Then the euro lottery deal. I just won a euro email lottery without even
> knowing about it! And the best part is like the african scheme everyone
> copies the format(virtually all are identical), confedintiality and
> urgency are a must.
>
> Then the prescription pills that u save a bundle by purchasing online.
> Since when does such serious medication get exchanged online without any
> doctors perscriptions? I woulnt even purchase aspirin online let alone
> prescription pills!
>
> Lastly, the BIG software ripoff, where you can purchase top software like
> adobe, microsoft, norton and other top software at a huge discount. Do
> companies now about this? I dont think they would be overly joyed having
> their software pirated in such ways if indeed the deal is legitate and not
> a
> total scam! I dont know, i havent tried it.



Part of the problem is home users MS PCs. They designed the OS so home users
"need" to be a local admin (for ease of use) when infact it reduces the MS
OS to nothing more an a glorified Windows 98 box. This makes the trojan
writers smile....a very, very large chunk of SPAM comes from MS home PCs!!!
Go figure.

Imhotep

Imhotep
Sat Nov 05 09:42:44 CST 2005

N. Miller wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 22:17:02 -0800, Panda_man wrote:
>
>> You can't do anything about the SPAM...
>
> Actually, you can do a lot about SPAM. Fry it. Slice it. Hash it. Mix it
> with eggs, potatoes...Google is your friend:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=spam+recipes
> http://www.spam.com/index.htm
>
> Now, if you are speaking of email spam, well; that is another topic
> entirely!
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=hormel+trademark+spam
> http://www.spam.com/hp/hp_lg.htm
>


OK, I think we all can agree that on a computer security group the author is
speaking about email spam/SPAM/Whatever....

Imhotep

S
Sat Nov 05 20:54:35 CST 2005

> Part of the problem is home users MS PCs. They designed the OS so home
> users
> "need" to be a local admin (for ease of use) when infact it reduces the MS
> OS to nothing more an a glorified Windows 98 box. This makes the trojan
> writers smile....a very, very large chunk of SPAM comes from MS home
> PCs!!!

Year, Microsoft is to blame for Nigerian scams :)))


--
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Alun
Sun Nov 06 20:48:33 CST 2005

Imhotep wrote:
> OK, I think we all can agree that on a computer security group the author
> is speaking about email spam/SPAM/Whatever....

No, actually, we can't. Certainly, Hormel's lawyers can't.

Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone who
uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants, and which
everyone gets dumped on them at their own cost. I know I would be
incredibly irritated if someone used any of my trademarks to refer to
something as disgusting as junk email.

But no, Hormel's trademark lawyers have made it clear that they will allow
the lower-cased version to be used, and will only restrict the use of either
"Spam" or "SPAM", claiming those as its trademarks.

Do them the favour of being equally nice in return, and honouring their
wishes. Unless it's meaty and comes in a can, it's "spam".

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Mark
Sun Nov 06 23:51:29 CST 2005

"Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote
> Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone who
> uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants

Is this even possible anymore? I got the distinct impression that (in Europe
at least) once a phrase becomes common usage and listed in dictionaries it
is a lost battle to try and sue people for using it.

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of us who do"
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S
Mon Nov 07 05:46:49 CST 2005

As Alun said, the common usage word is "spam" and trademarked are "Spam" and
"SPAM". Use the word appropriately and you're not calling for trouble.

--
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"Mark Randall" <mark[__OKTHISISFAKE_]yr@REMOVETHISgoogle.ANDTHIScom> wrote
in message news:OP0h0914FHA.3400@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> "Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote
>> Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone who
>> uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants
>
> Is this even possible anymore? I got the distinct impression that (in
> Europe at least) once a phrase becomes common usage and listed in
> dictionaries it is a lost battle to try and sue people for using it.
>
> --
> - Mark Randall
> http://zetech.swehli.com
>
> "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to
> those of us who do"
> Isaac Asimov
>

Alun
Mon Nov 07 13:49:34 CST 2005

Mark Randall wrote:
> "Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote
>> Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone who
>> uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants
>
> Is this even possible anymore? I got the distinct impression that (in
> Europe at least) once a phrase becomes common usage and listed in
> dictionaries it is a lost battle to try and sue people for using it.

You want to be the one who pays for half the lawyers to argue that one out?

Let's face it, Xerox, Kleenex, Hoover etc are all in common usage in various
parts of the world, and still asserted by their original owners as their own
trademarks. How much extra does it cost you to type "spam" instead of
"Spam" or "SPAM"? How much extra would it cost to defend yourself in court?

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Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 19:14:56 CST 2005

S. Pidgorny wrote:

>> Part of the problem is home users MS PCs. They designed the OS so home
>> users
>> "need" to be a local admin (for ease of use) when infact it reduces the
>> MS OS to nothing more an a glorified Windows 98 box. This makes the
>> trojan writers smile....a very, very large chunk of SPAM comes from MS
>> home PCs!!!
>
> Year, Microsoft is to blame for Nigerian scams :)))
>
>

No, they are to blame for the sloppy code that leaves the door open for
these scammers. Ask yourself, which computers are the majority for bot
nets?...and spam bots? Hummmm...draw your own conclusion.


Imhotep

Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 19:18:45 CST 2005

Alun Jones wrote:

> Imhotep wrote:
>> OK, I think we all can agree that on a computer security group the author
>> is speaking about email spam/SPAM/Whatever....
>
> No, actually, we can't. Certainly, Hormel's lawyers can't.
>
> Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone who
> uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants, and which
> everyone gets dumped on them at their own cost. I know I would be
> incredibly irritated if someone used any of my trademarks to refer to
> something as disgusting as junk email.
>
> But no, Hormel's trademark lawyers have made it clear that they will allow
> the lower-cased version to be used, and will only restrict the use of
> either "Spam" or "SPAM", claiming those as its trademarks.
>
> Do them the favour of being equally nice in return, and honouring their
> wishes. Unless it's meaty and comes in a can, it's "spam".
>
> Alun.
> ~~~~
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You know, that is the exact mentality that really pisses me off. Don't use
this word, spam, because this company is going to sue you. F'em. Second, I
would love Hormel to try and sue people. We are not referring to another
food product (or semi food product). We are talking about technology. They
have no right to dictate the name....

So, SPAM spam Spam....

Imhotep

Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 19:19:50 CST 2005

Mark Randall wrote:

> "Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote
>> Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone who
>> uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants
>
> Is this even possible anymore? I got the distinct impression that (in
> Europe at least) once a phrase becomes common usage and listed in
> dictionaries it is a lost battle to try and sue people for using it.
>

They could ony sue if you were to try and market a food with the name
SPAM....

Imhotep

Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 19:21:35 CST 2005

Alun Jones wrote:

> Mark Randall wrote:
>> "Alun Jones" <alun@texis.invalid> wrote
>>> Hormel have been very sporting about not suing the pants off everyone
>>> who uses the term "spam" to refer to something that nobody wants
>>
>> Is this even possible anymore? I got the distinct impression that (in
>> Europe at least) once a phrase becomes common usage and listed in
>> dictionaries it is a lost battle to try and sue people for using it.
>
> You want to be the one who pays for half the lawyers to argue that one
> out?
>
> Let's face it, Xerox, Kleenex, Hoover etc are all in common usage in
> various parts of the world, and still asserted by their original owners as
> their own
> trademarks. How much extra does it cost you to type "spam" instead of
> "Spam" or "SPAM"? How much extra would it cost to defend yourself in
> court?
>
> Alun.
> ~~~~
> [Please don't email posters, if a Usenet response is appropriate.]


Not relevant. One is the product of a food company. If you were to try and
market another food product with that name, they would have a case....

Imhotep

Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 19:22:31 CST 2005

S. Pidgorny wrote:

> As Alun said, the common usage word is "spam" and trademarked are "Spam"
> and "SPAM". Use the word appropriately and you're not calling for trouble.
>

Please...I think you are talking this a little too seriously....

Alun
Mon Nov 07 21:47:25 CST 2005

Imhotep wrote:
> No, they are to blame for the sloppy code that leaves the door open for
> these scammers. Ask yourself, which computers are the majority for bot
> nets?...and spam bots? Hummmm...draw your own conclusion.

I'm guessing that the answer is "the same as runs on the majority of PCs".

Let's face it, if you're building a bot net, you're going to go for the
system in use on 80% of the world's computers (I'm guessing at the
percentage here, but you get the point), and you're going to ignore the
rest.

That fact alone means that even if Windows was by far the most secure of all
operating systems, it would still be the target of choice for bot nets (spam
bots being a subset of bot nets, I'm not sure why you called them out that
way).

Presence of successful exploits is the product of presence of exploitable
vulnerabilities _and_ the likelihood that such an exploit serves the
cracker's purposes. Note that as Firefox use inched up past the 5% mark, it
suddenly got exploited several times over. Was this because it had suddenly
acquired masses of new vulnerabilities? No, it was because it was finally
an attractive target.

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Alun
Mon Nov 07 21:47:26 CST 2005

Imhotep wrote:
> You know, that is the exact mentality that really pisses me off. Don't use
> this word, spam, because this company is going to sue you. F'em. Second, I
> would love Hormel to try and sue people. We are not referring to another
> food product (or semi food product). We are talking about technology. They
> have no right to dictate the name....

Pay attention. I've said this before, but you weren't paying attention. So
I'll say it again now:

Use the word "spam" to represent junk email, wildly off-topic and multiply
posted Usenet postings etc.

Just don't capitalise it, unless it's at the start of a sentence, or in some
other way needs capitalising as a basic sop to the needs of English grammar.

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Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 23:16:53 CST 2005

Alun Jones wrote:

> Imhotep wrote:
>> No, they are to blame for the sloppy code that leaves the door open for
>> these scammers. Ask yourself, which computers are the majority for bot
>> nets?...and spam bots? Hummmm...draw your own conclusion.
>
> I'm guessing that the answer is "the same as runs on the majority of PCs".
>
> Let's face it, if you're building a bot net, you're going to go for the
> system in use on 80% of the world's computers (I'm guessing at the
> percentage here, but you get the point), and you're going to ignore the
> rest.
>
> That fact alone means that even if Windows was by far the most secure of
> all operating systems, it would still be the target of choice for bot nets
> (spam bots being a subset of bot nets, I'm not sure why you called them
> out that way).
>
> Presence of successful exploits is the product of presence of exploitable
> vulnerabilities _and_ the likelihood that such an exploit serves the
> cracker's purposes. Note that as Firefox use inched up past the 5% mark,
> it
> suddenly got exploited several times over. Was this because it had
> suddenly
> acquired masses of new vulnerabilities? No, it was because it was finally
> an attractive target.
>
> Alun.
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This is the classic, and overused, excuse to mask the failures of MS by use
the "popularity" two-step. The fact is MS just makes it too damn easy. I
have many friends that code "on the edge". Most are linux people but, make
no mistake, they are opportunists. They will take the easiest route that is
available and their are too many doors open in the MS platform.

The fact that MS encourages people, and software companies, to need to have
local admin rights for local users is the single most reason why you have
bot nets, etc in the first place.

So, please, I am not a newbie user, so stop giving me the BS excuses,
please. It is insulting.

Imhotep

Imhotep
Mon Nov 07 23:19:31 CST 2005

Alun Jones wrote:

> Imhotep wrote:
>> You know, that is the exact mentality that really pisses me off. Don't
>> use this word, spam, because this company is going to sue you. F'em.
>> Second, I would love Hormel to try and sue people. We are not referring
>> to another food product (or semi food product). We are talking about
>> technology. They have no right to dictate the name....
>
> Pay attention. I've said this before, but you weren't paying attention.
> So I'll say it again now:
>
> Use the word "spam" to represent junk email, wildly off-topic and multiply
> posted Usenet postings etc.
>
> Just don't capitalise it, unless it's at the start of a sentence, or in
> some other way needs capitalising as a basic sop to the needs of English
> grammar.
>
> Alun.
> ~~~~
> [Please don't email posters, if a Usenet response is appropriate.]

Maybe you misunderstood me. I do not care....

It is use a word (capitalized or not) and this topic really should not be
getting any attention at all...

Imhotep

Alun
Mon Nov 14 18:18:04 CST 2005

Imhotep wrote:
> This is the classic, and overused, excuse to mask the failures of MS by
> use the "popularity" two-step. The fact is MS just makes it too damn
> easy. I have many friends that code "on the edge". Most are linux people
> but, make no mistake, they are opportunists. They will take the easiest
> route that is available and their are too many doors open in the MS
> platform.

As was seen with Firefox, as it gained in popularity, there are too many
doors open in _every_ platform.

MS at least has processes that are in place, and under development, to close
those doors proactively.

I don't see many other vendors engaging in the sort of education effort that
Microsoft has - is there an equivalent to "Writing Secure Code" from Sun?
Oracle? O'Reilly? Anyone in the Linux world?

Actually, to that last, their probably is - I'm sure that the Jon Viega /
Gary McGraw book is one fit for that description. The collaboration between
Michael Howard, Jon Viega and David LeBlanc, "19 Deadly Sins of Software
Security" also manages to be a good cross-platform endeavour at trying to
teach developers to do the right thing. But I don't see as strong a
requirement to go through secure development processes at other vendors -
and I see the obvious effects of that. Apparently we're not looking in the
same direction.

> The fact that MS encourages people, and software companies, to need to
> have local admin rights for local users is the single most reason why you
> have bot nets, etc in the first place.

"Encourages"? No, ever since the first "advice to developers moving from
Windows 95 to Windows NT" white-paper, Microsoft has been strongly
encouraging software companies to code such that a restricted user can use
their applications. They even made this a key element of logo
certification. What "encouragement" are you citing? Please give links, or
describe clearly, rather than the vague hand-waving you're doing so far.

> So, please, I am not a newbie user, so stop giving me the BS excuses,
> please. It is insulting.

Then stop coming out with the BS accusations, and stop acting like you're a
noob Linux zealot engaging in daring forays "behind enemy lines". Present
something with a little more reason, and a little less emotion, otherwise
you'll continue to sound like a crackpot banging a religious drum.

Microsoft's software doesn't have the greatest track record, but as the
saying goes, "security is a process", and very few companies have bothered
to include security as a process through their entire development structure.

Alun.
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