How to blok MSN which ports I need to block

Re: MSN by Matt

Matt
Mon Mar 14 10:51:21 CST 2005

You can't. MSN works over port 80, and unless you want to block your
websurfing as well...

Best thing to do is start making a list of the MSN servers, and block those
instead.

Matt Gibson - GSEC

"riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block



Re: MSN by Bigbruva

Bigbruva
Mon Mar 14 12:03:16 CST 2005

If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the following
URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for sharing messages,
files and applications.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx

Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers are the
same for the features in the MSN version.

Let us know if this is what you needed.

BB


"riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block



Re: MSN by Matt

Matt
Mon Mar 14 12:10:13 CST 2005

Bigbruva,

While that's a good article, this paragraph explains why blocking IM from
this at a port level is basically impossible.

Instant Messaging and Presence
In general, there are no issues with IM and presence affecting communication
through a firewall or NAT device. If the Windows XP client can create and
maintain a connection to the server, other IM and presence communication can
follow this same path. For example, Microsoft Exchange IM transports its
Presence and IM messages using hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) and has
mechanisms to insure that these messages can traverse firewall and NAT
devices. These mechanisms include polling to maintain a TCP connection to
the server for two-way communication and setting aside a fixed port for
callback delivery.

Matt Gibson - GSEC


"Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
news:%231AeZAMKFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the
> following URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for
> sharing messages, files and applications.
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx
>
> Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers are
> the same for the features in the MSN version.
>
> Let us know if this is what you needed.
>
> BB
>
>
> "riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A1A379C7-06E2-4EC7-9F91-2F15CF55649A@microsoft.com...
>> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block
>
>



Re: MSN by Bigbruva

Bigbruva
Mon Mar 14 14:40:31 CST 2005

Okay Matt so perhaps I was being a little lazy in posting the link instead
of posting an answer...busted!

If you wish to block MSN messenger from successfully connecting to the
messenger service do the following on your network firewall:

1) Block outbound access to TCP port 1863
2) Block HTTP access to messenger.hotmail.com

This will stop the initial access to the service and therefore block the
application and all it's other communications.

HTH

BB


"Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
news:OQrwyEMKFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Bigbruva,
>
> While that's a good article, this paragraph explains why blocking IM from
> this at a port level is basically impossible.
>
> Instant Messaging and Presence
> In general, there are no issues with IM and presence affecting
> communication through a firewall or NAT device. If the Windows XP client
> can create and maintain a connection to the server, other IM and presence
> communication can follow this same path. For example, Microsoft Exchange
> IM transports its Presence and IM messages using hypertext transfer
> protocol (HTTP) and has mechanisms to insure that these messages can
> traverse firewall and NAT devices. These mechanisms include polling to
> maintain a TCP connection to the server for two-way communication and
> setting aside a fixed port for callback delivery.
>
> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>
>
> "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
> news:%231AeZAMKFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the
>> following URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for
>> sharing messages, files and applications.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx
>>
>> Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers are
>> the same for the features in the MSN version.
>>
>> Let us know if this is what you needed.
>>
>> BB
>>
>>
>> "riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:A1A379C7-06E2-4EC7-9F91-2F15CF55649A@microsoft.com...
>>> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block
>>
>>
>
>



Re: MSN by Matt

Matt
Mon Mar 14 16:51:02 CST 2005

Now, here's where I'm honestly a bit shaky, but isn't there a number of
servers? Not just a single one?

(For all I know, they're just DNS round robined off the single name)

Matt Gibson - GSEC


"Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
news:eqvLrZOKFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Okay Matt so perhaps I was being a little lazy in posting the link instead
> of posting an answer...busted!
>
> If you wish to block MSN messenger from successfully connecting to the
> messenger service do the following on your network firewall:
>
> 1) Block outbound access to TCP port 1863
> 2) Block HTTP access to messenger.hotmail.com
>
> This will stop the initial access to the service and therefore block the
> application and all it's other communications.
>
> HTH
>
> BB
>
>
> "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
> news:OQrwyEMKFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Bigbruva,
>>
>> While that's a good article, this paragraph explains why blocking IM from
>> this at a port level is basically impossible.
>>
>> Instant Messaging and Presence
>> In general, there are no issues with IM and presence affecting
>> communication through a firewall or NAT device. If the Windows XP client
>> can create and maintain a connection to the server, other IM and presence
>> communication can follow this same path. For example, Microsoft Exchange
>> IM transports its Presence and IM messages using hypertext transfer
>> protocol (HTTP) and has mechanisms to insure that these messages can
>> traverse firewall and NAT devices. These mechanisms include polling to
>> maintain a TCP connection to the server for two-way communication and
>> setting aside a fixed port for callback delivery.
>>
>> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>>
>>
>> "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
>> news:%231AeZAMKFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the
>>> following URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for
>>> sharing messages, files and applications.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx
>>>
>>> Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers are
>>> the same for the features in the MSN version.
>>>
>>> Let us know if this is what you needed.
>>>
>>> BB
>>>
>>>
>>> "riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:A1A379C7-06E2-4EC7-9F91-2F15CF55649A@microsoft.com...
>>>> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: MSN by Bigbruva

Bigbruva
Mon Mar 14 18:41:42 CST 2005

Yes the last time I saw anything on the architecture of the Hotmail
datacenter it was huge!
Massive clusters with all types of software and hardware load balancing in
place.

I should also state that this solution works for:. MSN Messenger 6.1
. MSN Web Messenger


I do not know if it will work with the new MSN messenger beta (I'll see if I
can test it and post back)

BB

"Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
news:eA1LNhOKFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Now, here's where I'm honestly a bit shaky, but isn't there a number of
> servers? Not just a single one?
>
> (For all I know, they're just DNS round robined off the single name)
>
> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>
>
> "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
> news:eqvLrZOKFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Okay Matt so perhaps I was being a little lazy in posting the link
>> instead of posting an answer...busted!
>>
>> If you wish to block MSN messenger from successfully connecting to the
>> messenger service do the following on your network firewall:
>>
>> 1) Block outbound access to TCP port 1863
>> 2) Block HTTP access to messenger.hotmail.com
>>
>> This will stop the initial access to the service and therefore block the
>> application and all it's other communications.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> BB
>>
>>
>> "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
>> news:OQrwyEMKFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Bigbruva,
>>>
>>> While that's a good article, this paragraph explains why blocking IM
>>> from this at a port level is basically impossible.
>>>
>>> Instant Messaging and Presence
>>> In general, there are no issues with IM and presence affecting
>>> communication through a firewall or NAT device. If the Windows XP client
>>> can create and maintain a connection to the server, other IM and
>>> presence communication can follow this same path. For example, Microsoft
>>> Exchange IM transports its Presence and IM messages using hypertext
>>> transfer protocol (HTTP) and has mechanisms to insure that these
>>> messages can traverse firewall and NAT devices. These mechanisms include
>>> polling to maintain a TCP connection to the server for two-way
>>> communication and setting aside a fixed port for callback delivery.
>>>
>>> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
>>> news:%231AeZAMKFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the
>>>> following URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for
>>>> sharing messages, files and applications.
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers are
>>>> the same for the features in the MSN version.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know if this is what you needed.
>>>>
>>>> BB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:A1A379C7-06E2-4EC7-9F91-2F15CF55649A@microsoft.com...
>>>>> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: MSN by Bigbruva

Bigbruva
Mon Mar 14 22:42:29 CST 2005

Just for the record I have tested both MSN Messenger 7.0 Beta and the
Windows Messenger 5.1 and this technique will successfully block both from
working.

HTH

BB

"Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
news:%23nhtBfPKFHA.436@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Yes the last time I saw anything on the architecture of the Hotmail
> datacenter it was huge!
> Massive clusters with all types of software and hardware load balancing in
> place.
>
> I should also state that this solution works for:. MSN Messenger 6.1
> . MSN Web Messenger
>
>
> I do not know if it will work with the new MSN messenger beta (I'll see if
> I can test it and post back)
>
> BB
>
> "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
> news:eA1LNhOKFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Now, here's where I'm honestly a bit shaky, but isn't there a number of
>> servers? Not just a single one?
>>
>> (For all I know, they're just DNS round robined off the single name)
>>
>> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>>
>>
>> "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
>> news:eqvLrZOKFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Okay Matt so perhaps I was being a little lazy in posting the link
>>> instead of posting an answer...busted!
>>>
>>> If you wish to block MSN messenger from successfully connecting to the
>>> messenger service do the following on your network firewall:
>>>
>>> 1) Block outbound access to TCP port 1863
>>> 2) Block HTTP access to messenger.hotmail.com
>>>
>>> This will stop the initial access to the service and therefore block the
>>> application and all it's other communications.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> BB
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:OQrwyEMKFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Bigbruva,
>>>>
>>>> While that's a good article, this paragraph explains why blocking IM
>>>> from this at a port level is basically impossible.
>>>>
>>>> Instant Messaging and Presence
>>>> In general, there are no issues with IM and presence affecting
>>>> communication through a firewall or NAT device. If the Windows XP
>>>> client can create and maintain a connection to the server, other IM and
>>>> presence communication can follow this same path. For example,
>>>> Microsoft Exchange IM transports its Presence and IM messages using
>>>> hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) and has mechanisms to insure that
>>>> these messages can traverse firewall and NAT devices. These mechanisms
>>>> include polling to maintain a TCP connection to the server for two-way
>>>> communication and setting aside a fixed port for callback delivery.
>>>>
>>>> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
>>>> news:%231AeZAMKFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>> If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the
>>>>> following URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for
>>>>> sharing messages, files and applications.
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers
>>>>> are the same for the features in the MSN version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know if this is what you needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> BB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:A1A379C7-06E2-4EC7-9F91-2F15CF55649A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: MSN by mae

mae
Mon Mar 14 22:53:28 CST 2005

Don't forget http access to webmessenger.msn.com.
--
mae

"Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
news:eqvLrZOKFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Okay Matt so perhaps I was being a little lazy in posting the link instead
| of posting an answer...busted!
|
| If you wish to block MSN messenger from successfully connecting to the
| messenger service do the following on your network firewall:
|
| 1) Block outbound access to TCP port 1863
| 2) Block HTTP access to messenger.hotmail.com
|
| This will stop the initial access to the service and therefore block the
| application and all it's other communications.
|
| HTH
|
| BB
|
|
| "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
| news:OQrwyEMKFHA.2764@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > Bigbruva,
| >
| > While that's a good article, this paragraph explains why blocking IM
from
| > this at a port level is basically impossible.
| >
| > Instant Messaging and Presence
| > In general, there are no issues with IM and presence affecting
| > communication through a firewall or NAT device. If the Windows XP client
| > can create and maintain a connection to the server, other IM and
presence
| > communication can follow this same path. For example, Microsoft Exchange
| > IM transports its Presence and IM messages using hypertext transfer
| > protocol (HTTP) and has mechanisms to insure that these messages can
| > traverse firewall and NAT devices. These mechanisms include polling to
| > maintain a TCP connection to the server for two-way communication and
| > setting aside a fixed port for callback delivery.
| >
| > Matt Gibson - GSEC
| >
| >
| > "Bigbruva" <Richardh@dontusethis.ws> wrote in message
| > news:%231AeZAMKFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| >> If you are talking about "MSN Messenger" application, look at the
| >> following URL. This lists all the posts used by this application for
| >> sharing messages, files and applications.
| >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/natfw.mspx
| >>
| >> Even though this page is for the Windows messenger the port numbers are
| >> the same for the features in the MSN version.
| >>
| >> Let us know if this is what you needed.
| >>
| >> BB
| >>
| >>
| >> "riki" <riki@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| >> news:A1A379C7-06E2-4EC7-9F91-2F15CF55649A@microsoft.com...
| >>> How to blok MSN which ports I need to block
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|