I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to prevent
a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like for
example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is there
a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
files to FAT drives?

Rainer

Re: EFS and FAT by Steven

Steven
Tue Sep 23 10:51:37 CDT 2003

The user who does the copy must be able to decrypt the files or the copy will fail. A
copy operation is a read/write process. So if a user who can not decrypt the files
tries to copy, the copy will be denied. Of course any user that logs on as you will
be able to copy the EFS file if your EFS private key is still on the computer. If you
go with EFS be sure to backup a copy of your private key as described in KB link
below.--- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;223316
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;241201


"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:081e01c381da$b1789830$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to prevent
> a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like for
> example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is there
> a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
> files to FAT drives?
>
> Rainer



Re: EFS and FAT by Rainer

Rainer
Tue Sep 23 11:31:00 CDT 2003

Actually I want that a user who has encrypted the file by
his own doesn't copy it by accident to a FAT file system
in decrypted form. I know that if you copy it to FAT you
get a warning that it will be decrypted. I want that the
user cannot copy the file to a nonencrypted FAT file
system. Any chance to enforce this?


>-----Original Message-----
>The user who does the copy must be able to decrypt the
files or the copy will fail. A
>copy operation is a read/write process. So if a user who
can not decrypt the files
>tries to copy, the copy will be denied. Of course any
user that logs on as you will
>be able to copy the EFS file if your EFS private key is
still on the computer. If you
>go with EFS be sure to backup a copy of your private key
as described in KB link
>below.--- Steve
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
US;223316
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
US;241201
>
>
>"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
>news:081e01c381da$b1789830$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to
prevent
>> a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like
for
>> example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is
there
>> a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
>> files to FAT drives?
>>
>> Rainer
>
>
>.
>

Re: EFS and FAT by Steven

Steven
Tue Sep 23 16:17:31 CDT 2003

As far as I know, that is not possible. You will have to rely on training. Good
ck. --- Steve

"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:0c6001c381f0$12f3d650$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Actually I want that a user who has encrypted the file by
> his own doesn't copy it by accident to a FAT file system
> in decrypted form. I know that if you copy it to FAT you
> get a warning that it will be decrypted. I want that the
> user cannot copy the file to a nonencrypted FAT file
> system. Any chance to enforce this?
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >The user who does the copy must be able to decrypt the
> files or the copy will fail. A
> >copy operation is a read/write process. So if a user who
> can not decrypt the files
> >tries to copy, the copy will be denied. Of course any
> user that logs on as you will
> >be able to copy the EFS file if your EFS private key is
> still on the computer. If you
> >go with EFS be sure to backup a copy of your private key
> as described in KB link
> >below.--- Steve
> >
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> US;223316
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> US;241201
> >
> >
> >"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> >news:081e01c381da$b1789830$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> >> I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to
> prevent
> >> a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like
> for
> >> example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is
> there
> >> a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
> >> files to FAT drives?
> >>
> >> Rainer
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: EFS and FAT by S

S
Wed Sep 24 04:36:01 CDT 2003

I have an idea. File system drivers are under %systemroot%\system32\drivers.
NTFS is NTFS.sys; I guess fastfat.sys is the FAT driver. Deleting the file,
or perhaps changing the startup type in registry, could disable FAT sypport,
effectively preventing copying to FAT partitions.

Try at your own risk - system recovery might be required.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

"Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:LL2cb.325871$2x.95224@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> As far as I know, that is not possible. You will have to rely on training.
Good
> ck. --- Steve
>
> "Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:0c6001c381f0$12f3d650$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > Actually I want that a user who has encrypted the file by
> > his own doesn't copy it by accident to a FAT file system
> > in decrypted form. I know that if you copy it to FAT you
> > get a warning that it will be decrypted. I want that the
> > user cannot copy the file to a nonencrypted FAT file
> > system. Any chance to enforce this?
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >The user who does the copy must be able to decrypt the
> > files or the copy will fail. A
> > >copy operation is a read/write process. So if a user who
> > can not decrypt the files
> > >tries to copy, the copy will be denied. Of course any
> > user that logs on as you will
> > >be able to copy the EFS file if your EFS private key is
> > still on the computer. If you
> > >go with EFS be sure to backup a copy of your private key
> > as described in KB link
> > >below.--- Steve
> > >
> > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> > US;223316
> > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> > US;241201
> > >
> > >
> > >"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > >news:081e01c381da$b1789830$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > >> I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to
> > prevent
> > >> a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like
> > for
> > >> example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is
> > there
> > >> a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
> > >> files to FAT drives?
> > >>
> > >> Rainer
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>



Re: EFS and FAT by Drew

Drew
Thu Sep 25 19:46:18 CDT 2003

Please don't do that.
It doesn't solve the additional problems of copying to yet other file
systems (CDFS, perhaps?) locally or copying over the network. Further, EFS
can be turned off on a per-folder basis, so even on NTFS you can have users
copying files and decrypting. Not to mention that users could explicitly
decrypt the files anyway. The fastfat hack could also lead to system
instability.

--
Drew Cooper [MSFT]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u495w9ngDHA.2748@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I have an idea. File system drivers are under
%systemroot%\system32\drivers.
> NTFS is NTFS.sys; I guess fastfat.sys is the FAT driver. Deleting the
file,
> or perhaps changing the startup type in registry, could disable FAT
sypport,
> effectively preventing copying to FAT partitions.
>
> Try at your own risk - system recovery might be required.
>
> --
> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> -= F1 is the key =-
>
> "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:LL2cb.325871$2x.95224@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > As far as I know, that is not possible. You will have to rely on
training.
> Good
> > ck. --- Steve
> >
> > "Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:0c6001c381f0$12f3d650$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > > Actually I want that a user who has encrypted the file by
> > > his own doesn't copy it by accident to a FAT file system
> > > in decrypted form. I know that if you copy it to FAT you
> > > get a warning that it will be decrypted. I want that the
> > > user cannot copy the file to a nonencrypted FAT file
> > > system. Any chance to enforce this?
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >The user who does the copy must be able to decrypt the
> > > files or the copy will fail. A
> > > >copy operation is a read/write process. So if a user who
> > > can not decrypt the files
> > > >tries to copy, the copy will be denied. Of course any
> > > user that logs on as you will
> > > >be able to copy the EFS file if your EFS private key is
> > > still on the computer. If you
> > > >go with EFS be sure to backup a copy of your private key
> > > as described in KB link
> > > >below.--- Steve
> > > >
> > > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> > > US;223316
> > > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> > > US;241201
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:081e01c381da$b1789830$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > > >> I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to
> > > prevent
> > > >> a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like
> > > for
> > > >> example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is
> > > there
> > > >> a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
> > > >> files to FAT drives?
> > > >>
> > > >> Rainer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: EFS and FAT by S

S
Sat Sep 27 05:48:37 CDT 2003

Drew,

I warned about the risk.

I'd like to ask about the "system instability" - can you please give an
example of situation when a system that starts up without fastfat.sys
driver, crashes later on?

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

"Drew Cooper [MSFT]" <dcoop@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eQPXie8gDHA.3204@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Please don't do that.
> It doesn't solve the additional problems of copying to yet other file
> systems (CDFS, perhaps?) locally or copying over the network. Further,
EFS
> can be turned off on a per-folder basis, so even on NTFS you can have
users
> copying files and decrypting. Not to mention that users could explicitly
> decrypt the files anyway. The fastfat hack could also lead to system
> instability.
>
> --
> Drew Cooper [MSFT]
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
>
>
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:u495w9ngDHA.2748@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > I have an idea. File system drivers are under
> %systemroot%\system32\drivers.
> > NTFS is NTFS.sys; I guess fastfat.sys is the FAT driver. Deleting the
> file,
> > or perhaps changing the startup type in registry, could disable FAT
> sypport,
> > effectively preventing copying to FAT partitions.
> >
> > Try at your own risk - system recovery might be required.
> >
> > --
> > Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
> > -= F1 is the key =-
> >
> > "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:LL2cb.325871$2x.95224@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > > As far as I know, that is not possible. You will have to rely on
> training.
> > Good
> > > ck. --- Steve
> > >
> > > "Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:0c6001c381f0$12f3d650$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > Actually I want that a user who has encrypted the file by
> > > > his own doesn't copy it by accident to a FAT file system
> > > > in decrypted form. I know that if you copy it to FAT you
> > > > get a warning that it will be decrypted. I want that the
> > > > user cannot copy the file to a nonencrypted FAT file
> > > > system. Any chance to enforce this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >The user who does the copy must be able to decrypt the
> > > > files or the copy will fail. A
> > > > >copy operation is a read/write process. So if a user who
> > > > can not decrypt the files
> > > > >tries to copy, the copy will be denied. Of course any
> > > > user that logs on as you will
> > > > >be able to copy the EFS file if your EFS private key is
> > > > still on the computer. If you
> > > > >go with EFS be sure to backup a copy of your private key
> > > > as described in KB link
> > > > >below.--- Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> > > > US;223316
> > > > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> > > > US;241201
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >"Rainer" <rainerzeifang@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:081e01c381da$b1789830$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > >> I want to use an EFS under Windows XP and want to
> > > > prevent
> > > > >> a copy of an encrypted file to a FAT file system like
> > > > for
> > > > >> example the good old floppy or other FAT drives. Is
> > > > there
> > > > >> a possibility to generally disable copying encrypted
> > > > >> files to FAT drives?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Rainer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>